Trump promises $2000 tariff dividend to all Americans

Servus said:

Funny how you snipped out the part where I said "Or is the left now saying the economy is doing well?". If both the left and the right are in agreement that the economy is doing well and inflation has been eliminated, then stimulus payments should make it even better.

Why is the left so against the working class getting a little money?

Is it because it's not going to illegal aliens and foreign countries?

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Oh my goodness. THAT'S IT!

Its funny how the liberals were totally against cutting any governemnt spending at all, were for funding war payouts, were for spending every dime we spent before and more, for spend, spend.

Then when Trump wants to give some money back to the American people, suddenly they are all worried about the deficit and spending.

Quite fascinating to watch.

rjs330 said:

Its funny how the liberals were totally against cutting any governemnt spending at all, were for funding war payouts, were for spending every dime we spent before and more, for spend, spend.

Then when Trump wants to give some money back to the American people, suddenly they are all worried about the deficit and spending.

Quite fascinating to watch.

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Yeah the 180 degree turnarounds are something else.

rjs330 said:

When did liberals become fiscal conservatives?

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I have always been worried about deficits and debt. And it's clear that Republican administrations have done a terrible job at reducing the debt, while some Democratic administrations have made serious headway on the problem.

Servus said:

Stimulus payments are self explanatory. They exist to stimulate the economy. Or is the left now saying the economy is doing well?

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Clearly it's not for the average American. The administration seems to have figured this out.

Have you guys?

Servus said:

There's all this talk from the left abut helping the working class, but when the idea of giving them a stimulus check comes up the left says "NOOOO!".

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You have me mistaken. I'm not against this kind of thing at all and would like to see a much broader UBI eventually be implemented, though I'm not expecting that from this administration, but the way you guys just accept his reckless reactionary unguided behavior is just astonishing. Watching the way he twists some of you into pretzels to defend his reality is a pretty fair trade for having to live through this madness.

Servus said:

Yeah the 180 degree turnarounds are something else.

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Heh no kidding.

rjs330 said:

When did liberals become fiscal conservatives?

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The same moments conservatives stopped.

rjs330 said:

Its funny how the liberals were totally against cutting any governemnt spending at all, were for funding war payouts, were for spending every dime we spent before and more, for spend, spend.

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I'm not against this. I'm only wondering why you guys suddenly agree we need a stimulus. The American people are and have been struggling and this administration's economic and trade policies have only made things more expensive. Hence the sudden need to stimulate the economy. Some people in the White House can see the writing on the walls ahead of the midterms.

Can you see it too?

Landon Caeli said:

In a sign that things are definitely going well for his second term, Donald Trump is promising to send cash to every American. Tucked away in a series of posts on Truth Social that railed against recent setbacks for his tariff scheme, Trump promised a tariff dividend for every American worth several thousand dollars.

“People that are against Tariffs are FOOLS! We are now the Richest, Most Respected Country In the World, With Almost No Inflation, and A Record Stock Market Price. 401k’s are Highest EVER. We are taking in Trillions of Dollars

Trump promises $2000 tariff dividend to all Americans

The president is trying to save his tariff scheme with the promise of cold, hard cash

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Socialist.

President Trump tries to reduce the suffering of the average American family from the longterm effects of Biden's disaster of an economy that people are still feeling the financial pain from and on and is ruthlessly attacked by the liberals.

Landon Caeli said:

It's like filling a pool with a garden hose, but the rules to filling it are such that it has to be filled using only a specified amount of water per day, and has to be filled within 90 days, and the water cannot be shut off until completion, and the dimensions of the pool walls are mathematically unattainable (randomly lumpy).

So you turn the valve a little higher, then a little lower, and adjust it accordingly as you see fit, so as to not overflow it, or have it too shallow.

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Just...what?

This is international trade we are talking about, not filling an expletive deleted pool! People who make and grow things overseas have workers, have mortgages, have profit margins, have transport costs, have employer costs - they have to ship their goods over seas and continents and they base how much they are going to make on orders from their customers and a reasonable stable price. That allows them to take on more workers if needed be, or even lay some off, sometimes difficult to replace. They have to invest in material and equipment and machinery and offices and trucks and pay taxes. They don't want to over invest or they'll go broke. And they don't want to under invest or they won't make a profit.

Trump, on a whim, has added tariffs, dropped them, increased them, raised them again, reduced them again...and this has been going on for months. Nobody, including Trump himself, knows what in blue blazes is going to happen next month, let alone next week. Ye gods, he could change his mind again today and sent out a tweet at 3:00am changing things yet again With some Letters Capitalised and lots of exclamation Points Into the Bargain!!!

It's a ship of fools and ol' Cap'n Trump is flicking switches and pulling levers and making announcements at random. There is no plan. He's making the whole thing up as he goes, because his poll figures aren't in the toilet any more. They have been well and truly flushed. And I swear, if he does another 180 and reintroduces the tariffs then you'll do exactly the same and say 'it's a great idea!'

This is incompetence on a scale I've never seen before in a modern western government. To say his fiscal policies are idiotic is an insult to idiots.

Landon Caeli said:

It's just that American voters won't place the interests of foreign nations on par with American interests.

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You are paying the tariffs! It's coming out of your pocket! It's raising the cost of literally everything that you buy that is grown or manufactured overseas! And companies that manufacture items in the US have to import more expensive materials and parts to make them!


'The tariffs at the heart of this week's Supreme Court case are raising tens of billions of dollars for the federal government. '

And it's all YOUR MONEY!

'The Treasury Department is collecting almost four times as much tariff revenue now as it was a year ago.'

And it's all YOUR MONEY!

'While the tariffs are designed to encourage domestic manufacturing by making imports more expensive, factory employment has dropped by more than 40,000 jobs since April, while the ISM index of manufacturing activity fell in October for the eighth month in a row.'

Landon Caeli said:

But you mentioned it effecting international trade... Now you're backpedaling. Are you now saying international trade isn't effected by the tariffs? Only Americans feel the crunch?

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How can you not understand that post. If you buy corn, it's going to come from Iowa. If you buy oranges, they'll likely come from California. Some basic foodstuffs that you buy can be home grown. But check out your pantry. I literally just walked into my kitchen and 5 of the first 6 things I looked at were from Pakistan, China, Italy, UK and Thailand. Put tariffs on those and they'll cost me more.

I'm typing this on a Dell laptop. They are made in the US but the components all come from all parts of the world. Every tariff on each country (which YOU will pay) means I will pay more for it. My T shirt was made in Vietnam. The tea I'm drinking now is from Sri Lanka. I just made a salmon sandwich for lunch. The salmon comes from Canada. I made the bread from Australian flour but the yeast comes from China.

We bought a new barbeque yesterday. A Weber. Some are made in the US, but some in China and Taiwan. Possibly using steel from Australia. If the US puts a tariff on our steel, then Weber in the US pays more for it to make them, then we'll place a tariff on your goods and the importer here pays yet more again.

Look, you are locked into the international trade to an extent which is difficult to convey. Arbitrarily messing about with tariffs on a whim, which is what Trump it doing, messes with world trade. Everyone suffers. Because we live in a global village. And when all the deals are done, all the tariffs are paid for, all the extras for the dongles and gizmos and materials and foodstuffs that you import are paid, the prices will rise and it's you who'll be paying the extra.

Plus, you completely avoided this: 'factory employment has dropped by more than 40,000 jobs since April, while the ISM index of manufacturing activity fell in October for the eighth month in a row.'

Trump told you that the tariffs would bring manufacturing back to the US. It didn't, it isn't doing it right now and it won't in the future. He lied to you. Did I really need to have to point that out to you?

He said tariffs wouldn't raise food prices. It did, it is now and it won't change until he removes the tariffs. Again, he lied to you. It's what he does.