MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

LoveGodsWord said:

I think from our discussion we will have to agree to disagree because from my view your trying to add to the words of Revelation that not there

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You are being ambiguous.

Douggg said:

Marilyn, on your chart you have the third woe as being the great earthquake of Revelation 16 I presume.

But it is actually not called a woe in the text.

The third woe mentioned in Revelation, in the text, refers to Satan being cast down to earth having only a time/times/half time let, in Revelation 12:12.

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Hi Dougg,

while I posted it I thought, `something is wrong about the woes.` So thank for that. Will go and correct.

I couldn`t find my article so just had to block out the wrong `woe.` Now saying that I have made the Great earthquake the 6th woe according to Rev. 11: 14 which tells us that it is the second woe.

The third woe I believe is when the Lord descends and the flesh melts off the bodies of the armies surrounding Jerusalem. (Zech. 14: 12)

Now I know you think the second woe is when the dragon is cast out of the universal heavens, for it is called a woe to the inhabitants.... however that is in the middle of the trib, and is part of the first woe. (Rev. 9: 1 - 12) See Rev. 12: 14 where the dragon still is persecuting for `time, times and half a time. (3 1/2 yrs)

Marilyn.

LoveGodsWord said:

My view is we should be more worries about understanding what the mark of the beast is so that we can avoid receiving Gods' judgements.

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Accept the Atonement of the Cross. Christ received that Judgment on our behalf. We need no other judgment besides that one in Christ.

LoveGodsWord said:

My view is we should be more worries about understanding what the mark of the beast is so that we can avoid receiving Gods' judgements.

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Any disobedience to God is what we should be concerned with. We are alienated from being in relationship with God with having that still. We would still have salvation with being believers, so we would not have the mark of the beast, if it were already coming. There are things yet to come, ahead of that. We should not remain here, with any of the cities of civilization, it is not meant for the people of God. To have the image of God we should obediently have good stewardship to the earth, God's dominion is not destructive. God hates the destruction from people to this earth, see Revelation 11:18. It will all collapse, see Isaiah 24. This is what the fall of Mystery Babylon is about, and meanwhile so many argue their position like arguing how many angels can dance together on a head of a pin. We have responsibility and we can't just stay here, with doing those things still needed. The one prophesied to be like a beast will come still, with promises to rebuild everything and will deceive many, with not having any godliness in what would be brought, that one should not be followed, and the people of God should not be fooled by him. Staying away from centers of civilization is much much better.

FredVB said:

Any disobedience to God is what we should be concerned with. We are alienated from being in relationship with God with having that still. We would still have salvation with being believers, so we would not have the mark of the beast, if it were already coming. There are things yet to come, ahead of that. We should not remain here, with any of the cities of civilization, it is not meant for the people of God. To have the image of God we should obediently have good stewardship to the earth, God's dominion is not destructive. God hates the destruction from people to this earth, see Revelation 11:18. It will all collapse, see Isaiah 24. This is what the fall of Mystery Babylon is about, and meanwhile so many argue their position like arguing how many angels can dance together on a head of a pin. We have responsibility and we can't just stay here, with doing those things still needed. The one prophesied to be like a beast will come still, with promises to rebuild everything and will deceive many, with not having any godliness in what would be brought, that one should not be followed, and the people of God should not be fooled by him. Staying away from centers of civilization is much much better

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As a Christian environmentalist concerned about climate change - I am sympathetic to your argument that we should not be 'destroying the earth'. There are plenty of good gifts we can use in this material world - but we need to champion both people AND planet - both human life and the biosphere - and my (mostly secular) blog is all about how we can do that. But avoiding big cities is NOT one of them. Why? Because it is both a good environmental strategy and gospel opportunity to live in cities. I have seen missionary organisations with good hearts go out and serve people in various far flung villages - and those people were grateful for the medical charity care they received but only a few responded to the gospel (for various ethnic and local cultural reasons.) But if the same mission had focussed on the young people going through university age in that country, I'm sure if converted those smart university people would have gone on to do great things for promoting the gospel in their country that would eventually feed out to the villages as well. It's just more strategic.

So here I can only conclude that something in your eschatology has so overwhelmed you that you may have forgotten the Great Commission and urgency of the overall thrust of the whole bible? God acting to save human beings. The gospel! The message we need to share. That's the real priority - NOT some weird end-times table that may nor may not play out according to whatever events you are imagining.

I don't say anything about not sharing the gospel. It can be with everyone we speak with. Many were mistaken with their expectations before, when prophecy was yet to be fulfilled, and when prophecy was being fulfilled, and this seen now that those prophecies are already fulfilled. Bible passages not noted by others that I see do give support to what I said, that I can give that weight to, Isaiah 24 does that. I do not dismiss what is really actually happening in this world, nor what God required of humanity from the very start, in which their is failure, noted in Revelation 11:18.

LoveGodsWord said:

My view is we should be more worries about understanding what the mark of the beast is so that we can avoid receiving Gods' judgements.

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Just make sure you don't offer a sacrifice to an image of Caesar.

Mark of the beast = literal mark on forehead or hand used primarily for buying and selling.

Most likely advanced technology, most likely a symbol that many hold dear now, I refrain from writing specifically about it for that reason. (Amos 5:26) So called Jesus will convince many that he has arrived with his angels to seal many with the seal of God in their forehead. "Your supposed to put it on your head and not on your hand, that is why it is not the mark of the beast " is what many will likely say.

Image of the beast = a hologram of a man speaking, a man seemingly healed from death Rev 13:3, talking blaspheme about what is outside of the sky Rev 13:6. Projected hologram technology, coming up from even phones. A.i. inside of the phones will keep track of who watches and who does not, and will be able to send out a signal to kill those who don't. Most live their lives around/with the device already today. The technology that would allow for such an interactive signal to be sent out is in place as of today, the a.i. is being trained today, the hologram technology is being perfected today.

Abomination of desolation = a special quantum computer put in a newly built temple, one connects to it via the mark, the computer will actually store and monitor consciousness, and be able to transfer it into hosts, one would be able to be conscious inside of the computer without a body, or even transfer into a robot body, causing literal desolation as humanity connects to it and lives in it. It is the devil's offer of seeming eternal life, most will go along with it, those who don't will be killed. The second resurrection serves to also resurrect souls out of the abomination. (No we're not in it now, there would be no touch, and it would likely be first presented as that you can go to 'heaven' and back, after half the time he comes out and admits he's the devil hoping people will simply accept his offer, believing the lie that they will not die)

contratodo said:

Image of the beast = a hologram of a man speaking, a man seemingly healed from death Rev 13:3, talking blaspheme about what is outside of the sky Rev 13:6. Projected hologram technology, coming up from even phones. A.i. inside of the phones will keep track of who watches and who does not, and will be able to send out a signal to kill those who don't. Most live their lives around/with the device already today. The technology that would allow for such an interactive signal to be sent out is in place as of today, the a.i. is being trained today, the hologram technology is being perfected today.

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I think I've seen a movie along those lines.
Still there's the problem of whom the Revelator was writing to. He says it was the seven churc hes of Asian Minor, we say no, it was us. Hmmm... All in very science-fictiony terms, too.

Now somehow I can't see the tech-jaded masses being swept away bu a talking hologram. That's kind of old school now, isn't it? As for tracking us, well, yeah, our phones are continuously shouting our names and locations everywhere we go, so that's a given. The "kill signal" thing will simply cause people tp turn to burner phones once they know that sofy of thing is happening, And anyway, who does any of that benefit? Cui bono? "The Beast"? How? This is all kind of harkening back to 60s-70s technophobia, where the tech-ignorant masses would be cowed by digital blue-smoke-and-mirrors. I don't ase that working in the 21st century.

contratodo said:

Abomination of desolation = a special quantum computer put in a newly built temple, one connects to it via the mark, the computer will actually store and monitor consciousness, and be able to transfer it into hosts, one would be able to be conscious inside of the computer without a body, or even transfer into a robot body, causing literal desolation as humanity connects to it and lives in it.

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IE, a Magic AI. Sorry, but when you invoke magic the whole scenatio kinda falls apart. If it's just magic, none of the techno-foolery is unnecessary, just magic it from end to end.

contratodo said:

It is the devil's offer of seeming eternal life, most will go along with it

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Because magic again.

contratodo said:

, those who don't will be killed.

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That's always an incentive, and this yime no magic necessary.

contratodo said:

The second resurrection serves to also resurrect souls out of the abomination. (No we're not in it now, there would be no touch, and it would likely be first presented as that you can go to 'heaven' and back, after half the time he comes out and admits he's the devil hoping people will simply accept his offer, believing the lie that they will not die)

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Yeah, at this point it's kind of kind of turned into a B movie.

And you still have the problem of who St. John was actually talking to in the first place.