MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

[LoveGodsWord]

Gog and Magog is there in Revelation 20:8, but Revelation 20:8 is not the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39.

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

You are the one bringing up Revelation 20 that when I questioned you about the timing of the Gog/Magog event which Gog's army is destroyed, followed by 7 years - you start talking about Revelation 20.

So please don't throw it back in my face the meaning of Gog and Magog in Revelation 20 and also saying the 7 years are not there. I already know that!

Says who? Some commentator?

Doug show me 7 years in Revelation 20 in regards to Gog and Magog? There is no mention of it anywhere. As posted earlier the context is to after the 1000 year millennium. Your disregarding the context here Doug as pointed out to you earlier....

Revelation 20:2-8 [2], And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, [3], And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. [4], And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. [5], But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [6], Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. [7], And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, [8], And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Note: The context of this setting is after Christs second coming. The wicked are destroyed (dead) and Satan is bound for 1000 years (v2) and cannot deceive the people anymore until the 1000 years are over at which time is is loosed (v3). Those who did not receive the mark of the Beast reign with Christ for this 1000 year period (v4 and v6). The rest of the dead (the wicked) lived not again until the 1000 years were finished (v5). When the 1000 years has finished the rest of the wicked are resurrected and Satan is loosed from his prison and shall go out and deceive the nations all around the earth (v7-8). Note this is what the scriptures call Gog and Magog. The deceived nations after the 1000 year millennium. These are all the wicked dead.

There is no seven years in Revelation 20 only the 1000 years as posted earlier the Gog and Magog application is to the wicked and antichrist after the 1000 years have expired since Christs return. Look at the Greek of Gog G1136 Γώγ Gṓg and Magog G3098 Μαγώγ Magṓg. The meaning of Gog in the Greek is "a symbolic name for some future Antichrist" and Magog "a foreign nation, i.e. (figuratively) an Antichristian party". Context here is to the time after the 2nd resurrection of the dead and all those who are anti-Christian. The application of Gog and Magog here is symbolic. Context here is to the time after the 2nd resurrection of the dead and all those who are anti-Christian gather together to war against God's saints and Christ. The application of Gog and Magog here is symbolic. We should be careful not to add to the book of Revelation 20

Take Care Doug.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

SDA cannot make the 7 years following the destruction of Gog's army fit into their eschatology chart is because SDA makes the monumental mistake of changing days to years.

No Doug it is because we use scripture to define scripture. Your breaking the rules of prophetic interpretation here. As no prophecy is of any private interpretation according to the scriptures in 2 Peter 1:20. This is were we get a day for a year interpretation of the bible prophecy that accurately shows bible interpretation from the timeline charts already provided...

Numbers 14:34. The Israelites will wander for 40 years in the wilderness, one year for every day spent by the spies in Canaan.

Ezekiel 4:5–6.[5], For I have laid on you the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shall you bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.[6], And when you have accomplished them, lie again on your right side, and you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed you each day for a year.

Take Care.

 

[Douggg]

Doug show me 7 years in Revelation 20 in regards to Gog and Magog? There is no mention of it anywhere. As posted earlier the context is to after the 1000 year millennium. Your disregarding the context here Doug as pointed out to you earlier....

Are you reading what I write?

I am the one pointing out there is no 7 years in Revelation 20 in regards to Gog and Magog.

You are the one who brought up Revelation 20:8, not me.

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel's application to Gog and Magog is not the same as the application of Gog and Magog in Revelation Doug. The application in Revelation is symbolic as shown earlier to all the wicked after the 1000 year millennium who are all anti christian and anti Christ. So there is no application here in the book of Revelation accept a symbolic one to the wicked that are gathered together for war by Satan after the 1000 years where they will finally be destroyed once and for all.

Relative to Jesus's return to stand on the Mt of Olives in Zechariah 14 - when does the destruction of Gog's army take place?

Ezekiel 39 indicates 7 years before Jesus's return, the destruction of Gog's army will take place.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Relative to Jesus's return to stand on the Mt of Olives in Zechariah 14 - when does the destruction of Gog's army take place?

Ezekiel 39 indicates 7 years before Jesus's return, the destruction of Gog's army will take place.

Ezekiel 39 and Zechariah 14 have nothing to do with Revelation. Your reading them into Revelation.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Are you reading what I write?

I am the one pointing out there is no 7 years in Revelation 20 in regards to Gog and Magog.

You are the one who brought up Revelation 20:8, not me.

Yes of course. I am pointing out your reading Ezekiel into Revelation it is not there in the same context

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 39 and Zechariah 14 have nothing to do with Revelation. Your reading them into Revelation.

Jesus's return is in Zechariah 14.

Relative to Jesus's return to stand on the Mt of Olives in Zechariah 14 - when does the destruction of Gog's army take place?

Ezekiel 39 indicates 7 years before Jesus's return, the destruction of Gog's army will take place.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Jesus's return is in Zechariah 14.

Relative to Jesus's return to stand on the Mt of Olives in Zechariah 14 - when does the destruction of Gog's army take place?

Ezekiel 39 indicates 7 years before Jesus's return, the destruction of Gog's army will take place.

Not relevant to Daniel and Revelation.

 

[Douggg]

Not relevant to Daniel and Revelation.

The question I asked is in regards to Jesus's return in Zechariah 14.

Jesus's return is in Zechariah 14.

Relative to Jesus's return to stand on the Mt of Olives in Zechariah 14 - when does the destruction of Gog's army take place?

Ezekiel 39 indicates 7 years before Jesus's return, the destruction of Gog's army will take place.

 

[parousia70]

I have already addressed how the first century Christians and every generation of Christians are blessed by reading Revelation.

MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

My post # 510.

How were the first century Christians at Sardis "Blessed" by Jesus PROMISING his Thief's coming would befall THEM (Revelation 3:3) and then having Jesus fail to fulfill that promise TO THEM? (as you claim)

How was Jesus' failure to fulfill that promise to them a "blessing" to them?

I didnt see that addressed in your Post #510

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The question I asked is in regards to Jesus's return in Zechariah 14.

Jesus's return is in Zechariah 14.

Relative to Jesus's return to stand on the Mt of Olives in Zechariah 14 - when does the destruction of Gog's army take place?

Ezekiel 39 indicates 7 years before Jesus's return, the destruction of Gog's army will take place.

As posted earlier, there is no literal Gog and Magog after the 1000 year millennium. It is symbolic to all that are anti-christian and antichrist gathering together to war against the saints and Christ being led by Satan who is deceiving them after the 1000 years.

 

[Douggg]

As posted earlier, there is no literal Gog and Magog after the 1000 year millennium

The question is not talking about after 1000 year millennium, but the timing of the destruction of God's army in Ezekiel 39 relative to the day that Jesus returns.

Relative to Jesus's return- when does the destruction of Gog's army take place?

Ezekiel 39 indicates 7 years before Jesus's return, the destruction of Gog's army will take place.

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Ezekiel 38:8 and Ezekiel 38:16 indicate that the Gog/Magog event takes place in the latter years, latter days.

 

[Douggg]

This is were we get a day for a year interpretation of the bible prophecy that accurately shows bible interpretation from the timeline charts already provided.

Numbers 14:33 and Ezekiel 4:5-6.

SDA misapplies verses that were specific to those two certain instances of a day being a year in the text - and makes it a general rule to apply for all instances of bible prophecy.

That's the monumental mistake that SDA makes.

 

[Marilyn C]

How so? Here's the gospel.
"Repent and believe and be baptised, and withstand many trials and tribulations, and understand that you are now saved but must continue trusting in the Lord - because one day the Lord is going to return."

That is what Revelation says.
Only it goes into more detail on the types of tyrant, natural disaster, and temptations to trust in wealth that this age (between Jesus Resurrection and Return) has to offer.


No he hasn't - but that's the PROMISE of Revelation, not the time-table.
BTW - it's not a timetable or linear sequence of events - because it repeats.
Jesus judges the world in Revelation 6, 19, and 20.
We see the end of the world from a bunch of different camera angles.

Hi eclipse,

I agree on the good news of our salvation through Christ.

I also agree that the book of revelation is not all linear as it often repeats, giving more detail.

 

[Marilyn C]

Jesus judges the world in Revelation 6, 19, and 20.
We see the end of the world from a bunch of different camera angles.

 

[Douggg]

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Marilyn, on your chart you have the third woe as being the great earthquake of Revelation 16 I presume.

But it is actually not called a woe in the text.

The third woe mentioned in Revelation, in the text, refers to Satan being cast down to earth having only a time/times/half time let, in Revelation 12:12.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The question is not talking about after 1000 year millennium, but the timing of the destruction of God's army in Ezekiel 39 relative to the day that Jesus returns. Relative to Jesus's return- when does the destruction of Gog's army take place? Ezekiel 39 indicates 7 years before Jesus's return, the destruction of Gog's army will take place. Ezekiel 38:8 and Ezekiel 38:16 indicate that the Gog/Magog event takes place in the latter years, latter days.

I think your missing the point. I was showing you that there is no application here in Revelation 20 use of Gog and Magog it is symbolic to the wicked after the 1000 year millennium who gather together under Satan to fight God's saints and Christ. The OP here is on Revelation not Ezekiel and there is no application of Ezekiel 39 in the book of Revelation accept symbolically as already shown through the scriptures.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Numbers 14:33 and Ezekiel 4:5-6.

SDA misapplies verses that were specific to those two certain instances of a day being a year in the text - and makes it a general rule to apply for all instances of bible prophecy.

That's the monumental mistake that SDA makes.

I am sorry but I respectfully disagree.. You were provided scripture applied to prophetic interpretation and you say it is a monumental mistake by providing your words in disagreement with the scriptures provided with you then seek to put a private interpretation on the book of Revelation unsupported by scripture? For me I believe only Gods Word is true and we should believe and follow them. All you have provided here are your words disagreeing with God's Word so I guess we will agree to disagree on your claims here Doug.

 

[Douggg]

I think your missing the point. I was showing you that there is no application here in Revelation 20 use of Gog and Magog it is symbolic to the wicked after the 1000 year millennium who gather together under Satan to fight God's saints and Christ.

We are past that part of the discussion.

The OP here is on Revelation not Ezekiel and there is no application of Ezekiel 39 in the book of Revelation accept symbolically as already shown through the scriptures.

Revelation contains the return of Jesus to this earth, to destroy them who gather at Armageddon to make war on Him in Revelation 19. Ezekiel 39 also in verses 17-20 contain Armageddon. And Jesus's return to this earth in verses 21-29.

7 years earlier, Gog's army is destroyed.

What i am doing in requesting of you when Gog's army is destroyed and the 7 years that follow relevant to Jesus Return - is to get you confess that 7 years.

You won't confess though because to confess those 7 years as being right before Jesus returns - it destroys SDA eschatology and doctrines.

The 7 years are the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27 70th week. All of SDA's doctrines and charts are destroyed by Ezekiel 39.

Just as I am destroying Amil with Amos 9:11-15 and Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 37.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

We are past that part of the discussion.



Revelation contains the return of Jesus to this earth, to destroy them who gather at Armageddon to make war on Him in Revelation 19. Ezekiel 39 also in verses 17-20 contain Armageddon. And Jesus's return to this earth in verses 21-29.

7 years earlier, Gog's army is destroyed.

What i am doing in requesting of you when Gog's army is destroyed and the 7 years that follow relevant to Jesus Return - is to get you confess that 7 years.

You won't confess though because to confess those 7 years as being right before Jesus returns - it destroys SDA eschatology and doctrines.

The 7 years are the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27 70th week. All of SDA's doctrines and charts are destroyed by Ezekiel 39.

Just as I am destroying Amil with Amos 9:11-15 and Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 37.

Sorry Doug but I do not believe you. I think from our discussion we will have to agree to disagree because from my view your trying to add to the words of Revelation that not there when we are warned not to do this in Revelation 22:18 and your applying private interpretation of the scriptures that we are also told not to do in 2 Peter 1:20. I believe there are too many holes in your teachings and have only pointed out a few of these in a friendly manner. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That would be between you and God.

Take Care.