MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

[Douggg]

I think from our discussion we will have to agree to disagree because from my view your trying to add to the words of Revelation that not there

You are being ambiguous.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You are being ambiguous.

Well I see it the other way around. We must be careful not to read into the scripture what is not there or to add to the book of Revelation according to the warning given in Revelation 22:18

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn, on your chart you have the third woe as being the great earthquake of Revelation 16 I presume.

But it is actually not called a woe in the text.

The third woe mentioned in Revelation, in the text, refers to Satan being cast down to earth having only a time/times/half time let, in Revelation 12:12.

Hi Dougg,

while I posted it I thought, `something is wrong about the woes.` So thank for that. Will go and correct.

I couldn`t find my article so just had to block out the wrong `woe.` Now saying that I have made the Great earthquake the 6th woe according to Rev. 11: 14 which tells us that it is the second woe.

The third woe I believe is when the Lord descends and the flesh melts off the bodies of the armies surrounding Jerusalem. (Zech. 14: 12)

Now I know you think the second woe is when the dragon is cast out of the universal heavens, for it is called a woe to the inhabitants.... however that is in the middle of the trib, and is part of the first woe. (Rev. 9: 1 - 12) See Rev. 12: 14 where the dragon still is persecuting for `time, times and half a time. (3 1/2 yrs)

Marilyn.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi Dougg,

while I posted it I thought, `something is wrong about the woes.` So thank for that. Will go and correct.

I couldn`t find my article so just had to block out the wrong `woe.` Now saying that I have made the Great earthquake the 6th woe according to Rev. 11: 14 which tells us that it is the second woe.

The third woe I believe is when the Lord descends and the flesh melts off the bodies of the armies surrounding Jerusalem. (Zech. 14: 12)

Now I know you think the second woe is when the dragon is cast out of the universal heavens, for it is called a woe to the inhabitants.... however that is in the middle of the trib, and is part of the first woe. (Rev. 9: 1 - 12) See Rev. 12: 14 where the dragon still is persecuting for `time, times and half a time. (3 1/2 yrs)

Marilyn.

My view is we should be more worries about understanding what the mark of the beast is so that we can avoid receiving Gods' judgements.

 

[Timtofly]

My view is we should be more worries about understanding what the mark of the beast is so that we can avoid receiving Gods' judgements.

Accept the Atonement of the Cross. Christ received that Judgment on our behalf. We need no other judgment besides that one in Christ.

 

[FredVB]

My view is we should be more worries about understanding what the mark of the beast is so that we can avoid receiving Gods' judgements.

Any disobedience to God is what we should be concerned with. We are alienated from being in relationship with God with having that still. We would still have salvation with being believers, so we would not have the mark of the beast, if it were already coming. There are things yet to come, ahead of that. We should not remain here, with any of the cities of civilization, it is not meant for the people of God. To have the image of God we should obediently have good stewardship to the earth, God's dominion is not destructive. God hates the destruction from people to this earth, see Revelation 11:18. It will all collapse, see Isaiah 24. This is what the fall of Mystery Babylon is about, and meanwhile so many argue their position like arguing how many angels can dance together on a head of a pin. We have responsibility and we can't just stay here, with doing those things still needed. The one prophesied to be like a beast will come still, with promises to rebuild everything and will deceive many, with not having any godliness in what would be brought, that one should not be followed, and the people of God should not be fooled by him. Staying away from centers of civilization is much much better.

 

[eclipsenow]

Any disobedience to God is what we should be concerned with. We are alienated from being in relationship with God with having that still. We would still have salvation with being believers, so we would not have the mark of the beast, if it were already coming. There are things yet to come, ahead of that. We should not remain here, with any of the cities of civilization, it is not meant for the people of God. To have the image of God we should obediently have good stewardship to the earth, God's dominion is not destructive. God hates the destruction from people to this earth, see Revelation 11:18. It will all collapse, see Isaiah 24. This is what the fall of Mystery Babylon is about, and meanwhile so many argue their position like arguing how many angels can dance together on a head of a pin. We have responsibility and we can't just stay here, with doing those things still needed. The one prophesied to be like a beast will come still, with promises to rebuild everything and will deceive many, with not having any godliness in what would be brought, that one should not be followed, and the people of God should not be fooled by him. Staying away from centers of civilization is much much better

As a Christian environmentalist concerned about climate change - I am sympathetic to your argument that we should not be 'destroying the earth'. There are plenty of good gifts we can use in this material world - but we need to champion both people AND planet - both human life and the biosphere - and my (mostly secular) blog is all about how we can do that. But avoiding big cities is NOT one of them. Why? Because it is both a good environmental strategy and gospel opportunity to live in cities. I have seen missionary organisations with good hearts go out and serve people in various far flung villages - and those people were grateful for the medical charity care they received but only a few responded to the gospel (for various ethnic and local cultural reasons.) But if the same mission had focussed on the young people going through university age in that country, I'm sure if converted those smart university people would have gone on to do great things for promoting the gospel in their country that would eventually feed out to the villages as well. It's just more strategic.

So here I can only conclude that something in your eschatology has so overwhelmed you that you may have forgotten the Great Commission and urgency of the overall thrust of the whole bible? God acting to save human beings. The gospel! The message we need to share. That's the real priority - NOT some weird end-times table that may nor may not play out according to whatever events you are imagining.