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Maine elects woman convicted of killing Canadian tourist to city council: ‘So broken’
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Trump robs people, and there's no proof. That he has stopped. He was never punished for it. Trump is responsible for every violent act that happened on January 6th. Who knows if Trump is stealing from our Social security. I'm not saying whether I agree with a murderer, being in politics. I did look up her name. And she turned her life around. But Trump hasn't. I don't think Trump will ever repent.
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The Canadian tourist that she killed was not the enemy. Your comparison of a person that killed an innocent person and a soldier is quite troubling. With that kind of defense of violent crime it is no wonder that the left is so messed up.
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Nonsense. There is absolutely no comparison between non violent white collar crime and violent murderer.
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My point is that if a person can’t ever be rehabilitated and trusted after killing, then the reason behind the killing is is irrelevant. Damage is done either way.
The statement above is not my belief, but the best I can decipher from others posting here. She did her time and gained the voter’s trust. If you are not in that city, I’m not sure why all this matters anyway.
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I stated many times before in this thread that this was my opinion. If she does well then more power to her but, if I lived in Bangor, I would not have voted for her.
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You made the analogy of hiring a pedophile at a daycare. There is a relationship to the crime and the place of employment: access to children. This analogy works for Trump as the crime, fraud and personal enrichment, do have a relationship to the employment: access to money, laws and power. This analogy does not work for Walker as the crime, manslaughter, has no relationship with the employment. This is a spectacular failure of the analogy to support your point.
Sure, not to the same scale, but the point is that one person has shown a clear and on-going propensity for corruption while the other one has not.
While it is true that your argument may not have included her murdering someone ELSE, it clearly has been all about her having murdered someone, decades ago (disregarding that she did her time, succeeded at rehab and turning her life around.
I don't see how your discounting her as a council member because she murdered someone is not about her murdering someone - it is the crux of your argument.
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I made the analogy because of the lack of understanding by the left of the damage that crime does and the victims that it leaves behind. If you consider murder to be just a crime then you have to consider pedophilia to be just a crime also. Heck, I’ve seen many leftists make the argument that the punishment for pedophiles is draconian and thst even the public sexual pedophile lists are unconstitutional or just plain wrong.
Murderers don’t show a propensity for crime? There is no comparison between a white collar crime and a violent murder.
No. My argument is that she murdered someone that will remain dead even after she sought rehab. I could not in good conscience vote for a murderer.
It is not. The crux of my argument is the severity of her crime and that she should not be rewarded for it.
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Man’s laughter? You don’t consider the taking of a life to be serious?
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The specific analogy was hiring a pedophile at a daycare, not hiring a pedophile at a construction site. Perhaps you didn't think this all the way through. A daycare has very specific relevance to a pedophile and that is the employment you chose to highlight. Equally, government has very specific relevance to corruption. Are you impling that the right, as represented by you, has a lack of understanding of the damage fraud and corruption does and the victims it leaves behind?
That "If" is carrying a lot of weight there; unfortunately, it has succumbed to the overload and collapsed in a stinky heap of falsity. I'm a bit curious as to your dismissive "just" here as though "crime" were not a serious thing (although there is certainly a spectrum).
Weird tangent that has nothing to do with either of our arguments - just a bash-the-left digression. Heck, I've known people who did this, that and the other - so what?
You know that isn't what I said.
Obviously, there is a comparison because that is what we're doing, you as well as I. The difference is that you are willing to overlook a career white collar criminal who continues to flout the law being put in one of the most powerful white collar positions in the world where the potential for continuing to crime and the potential for actual harm worldwide to people is enormous while, at the same time, condemning someone who paid for her crime and turned her life around even though the new position has no connection to the long past crime.
Yes. Read your own words: Your argument is a straw man since my argument never included her murdering someone.
She not only sought rehab, but successfully completed it.
Is the person who orders a murder equally liable as the person who carries it out?
Lols, the severity of her crime? The crime was murdering someone! The crux of your argument is that she murdered someone!
She has not been rewarded for it.
She was punished for it (unlike the other person who committed crimes). She was elected despite the crime, not because of it while the same cannot necessarily be said of Trump.
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Right. When the morality of the left becomes absurd then so are the analogies. Your side defends crime. No thanks.
What is wrong with the if. At least I gave you a way out which you did not take. You continue to dismiss the severity of murder.
No tangent and is quite germane to our discussion. It shows where your side has headed in the last decade. And, yes, I will continue to bash the far left for the digression in morality.
If you say so.
The thread is not about Trump and you know that I’m not a fan. I am comparing severity of crimes. You are flirting with the false equivalency fallacy.
My argument clearly stated that she DID murder someone but not that she would murder anyone if elected. You are twisting my argument so yes it is a Strawman.
Good for her. Hopefully she’ll remain sober.
Yes according to the law. Even the one driving the getaway car (if there was one) is equally as guilty.
The crux of my argument IS the severity of her crime BECAUSE she murdered someone.
She should have served a lot longer than ten years for the taking of a life. The victim and their family are serving life without the possibility of parole.She has not been rewarded for it.
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...because many so-called "Christians" don't believe in clemency (or mercy, forginvess and Jesus...apparently)
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Many non-Christians don't either. You know, being baptized isn't a magic spell that perfects all those who take part.
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I did, because it's something we should all work towards, even though we'll never actually reach it. But the point is that being Christian isn't going to automatically change someone's mind frame. And I brought it up because you put "Christians" in parentheses.
...We all do the best we can with what we've got.
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Nonsense. The biggest charities in the world are Christian and prison ministries are very common. A very large number of churches have food pantries and run soup kitchens.
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Oh look, insults - what a surprise. The sad, absurd analogy was your own; it failed badly because of the parameters you set.
Not only is this gratuitous insult wrong, it is extremely hypocritical. No one on "my side" defended Walker's murdering someone, while Trump is being defended as his crimes are not deemed as serious.
The problem your with your "if" is that it is false - when the premise is false, the argument as a whole fails.
If it were so, it might be; and if it was so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.
Nowhere have I dismissed the severity of murder.
It is an irrelevant tangential opinion and an excuse to bash people you disagree with. When you resort to reflexively bashing the other side, you have clearly lost the argument. Try to stick to the matter at hand.
All my posts are still there for the checking. Everyone can see that you mischaracterized what I wrote.
Part of this thread is about Trump. No, I don't know that you are not a fan, but I'll take your word for it (so far, you have not conceded that Trump's felonies ought to be an impediment his holding the office, you've only defended his holding it). If you agreed somewhere in this thread that he is unfit for office, point out where, if you would be so kind, as I have missed that.
You're comparing what you said could not be compared. I didn't bring up the equivalency, but you have been disputing it for several pages now. It's a bit much of a muchness that you are suddenly crying foul after failing to prove your point. Yes, you are comparing the relative severity without consideration that one has not committed any further crimes while the other one has never ceased when considering their relative fitness for their elected office.
I haven't twisted your argument - you have failed to grasp mine. Your argument is that her decades-old murder conviction, despite her punishment and rehabilitation, makes her unfit for a position on city council ever, while another person's on-going corruption has no bearing on his fitness.
Well then. Severity matched and then exceeded in numbers.
You stated that [your] "argument never included her murdering someone" when that is the crux of your argument. Had she never killed anyone, then the severity of the crime that she would not have committed could not be a factor. In other words, the severity of the crime of murder would be moot if there had been no murder committed. If there were no murder, then no argument on the severity of the non-murder.
Okay.
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