Undeniable evidence of mass election fraud and ballot tampering. We must demand a fair election.

[dogs4thewin]

Fraud is committed intentionally.... not a glitch in the system. These people are intentionally cheating.

and if it is a system issue it should be fixed if need be done by hand.

 

[Hank77]

Full disclosure...it was a copy/paste job on my part from another website It's rather compelling though to anyone seeking the truth and not just a win.

Do you mean like the one below that you posted. Because it has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of fraud.

25,263 ballots rejected in Colorado primary

Colorado Vote By Mail's Uncounted Ballots: Diverse Areas And Younger Voters More Likely To Have Votes Rejected

 

[Triumvirate]

and if it is a system issue it should be fixed if need be done by hand.

Which is being done....

...when entitled rightwing mobs aren't trying to disrupt it.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I was able to tear apart a number of the OP's claims in a matter of minutes. While it may be possible that some of those situations are legitimate, there is no safe bet of anything here.

Even if just some of them are true we still should DEMAND a fair election. Look, I am a pound two time Trump voter, however I am not OK with fraud being committed by either side. That us all Trump is doing is ensuring that win or lose it is fair. He has that right. ( particularly in swing states where the vote is very close.

 

[Bobber]

Also violent hateful mob? Sorry, which side is trying to mob its way into counting centres uninvited and we've already arrested one plot to attack those centres?

As for me I'm not in favor of the type of conduct you describe. But lets talk about poll watcher not being allowed in various places. I worked for Elections Canada in my country for two elections as a poll worker and Poll Watchers from all Parties ARE ALLOWED in to a station as long as they have a badge and are registered. They're not allowed to interfere but are allowed a meaningful distance to be able to see paperwork of everything taking place. This is to create the sense of things being fair and transparent. Was this allowed in some of these states? Doesn't seem so. Even with a Court order they didn't allow them in and the Police said they weren't going to enforce it. Not going to enforce it?

So what do you have? At least in some of the states there seems to be EVERY justifiable reason to legally claim the tallying (at least in some states) is illegitimate. It's not just about having the votes....is also about being able to convince the nation it was indeed fair. Sad that they didn't look upon that as having any priority. I'd even like to believe that even some good, fair minded Dems don't feel good about this either. And assuming Mr Biden becomes President. How can he EVER think he can bring the nation together? Couldn't he have jumped into this immediately and agreed with President Trump and said, NO, NO, NO stop this right now.....get them watchers in there! Nope. He didn't. My heart feels sad for I do love America and I pray now for your PEACE.

 

[Arc F1]

I was able to tear apart a number of the OP's claims in a matter of minutes. While it may be possible that some of those situations are legitimate, there is no safe bet of anything here.

How did you disprove any of it? By reading and trusting another site that wants Biden to win? Who do we trust? I would bet the republicans committed fraud also.

 

[LostMarbels]

The OP is a leader on this board and he's failing.

This is ridiculous. People are bashing the living daylights out of this man because he has an opinion?

Is this what happened to all the other conservative mods? There used to be a few... they all left the forum.

 

[Triumvirate]

As for me I'm not in favor of the type of conduct you describe. But lets talk about poll watcher not being allowed in various places. I worked for Elections Canada in my country for two elections as a poll worker and Poll Watchers from all Parties ARE ALLOWED in to a station as long as they have a badge and are registered. They're not allowed to interfere but are allowed a meaningful distance to be able to see paperwork of everything taking place. This is to create the sense of things being fair and transparent. Was this allowed in some of these states? Doesn't seem so. Even with a Court order they didn't allow them in and the Police said they weren't going to enforce it. Not going to enforce it?

So what do you have? At least in some of the states there seems to be EVERY justifiable reason to legally claim the tallying (at least in some states) is illegitimate. It's not just about having the votes....is also about being able to convince the nation it was indeed fair. Sad that they didn't look upon that as having any priority. I'd even like to believe that even some good, fair minded Dems don't feel good about this either. And assuming Mr Biden becomes President. How can he EVER think he can bring the nation together? Couldn't he have jumped into this immediately and agreed with President Trump and said, NO, NO, NO stop this right now.....get them watchers in there! Nope. He didn't. My heart feels sad for I do love America and I pray now for your PEACE.

Mate they've literally been to court and told to take a hike. Because they were allowed in. Official watchers have been let in.

There is an intentional conflation being made between official watchers and unofficial ones, the latter of which are basically mobs who have no legal right to be there.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Which is being done....

...when entitled rightwing mobs aren't trying to disrupt it.

I have noticed that there have been protests of Trump supporters but not riots there is a big difference.

 

[LostMarbels]

and if it is a system issue it should be fixed if need be done by hand.

I know many do not see it but this is by design. This entire election needs to be looked into. New systems need to be in place.

 

[Triumvirate]

I have noticed that there have been protests of Trump supporters but not riots there is a big difference.

Mmhm, bashing on windows and disrupting the counts and scaring the counters to the point where they need police escorts is totally fine.

What's the betting this will become part of the next lie if stressed counters make mistakes, which you're more likely to when stressed?

 

[dogs4thewin]

How did you disprove any of it? By reading and trusting another site that wants Biden to win? Who do we trust? I would bet the republicans committed fraud also.

and as I have said several times I am not OK with fraud on either side. If in fact Trump wins by fraud he does bit deserve to win same as Biden.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I know many do not see it but this is by design. This entire election needs to be looked into. New systems need to be in place.

Maybe they should start doing it by hand photo IDS.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Mmhm, bashing on windows and disrupting the counts and scaring the counters to the point where they need police escorts is totally fine.

What's the betting this will become part of the next lie if stressed counters make mistakes, which you're more likely to when stressed?

That is not fine, but standing outside places peacefully is and is in fact legally protected.

 

[Triumvirate]

This is ridiculous. People are bashing the living daylights out of this man because he has an opinion?

No.

Because he's posting lots of misleading information and making an already tense situation worse.

Because leaders shouldn't do that.

Also still unclear whether this breaches the rules the rest of us are expected to abide by.

 

[dogs4thewin]

No.

Because he's posting lots of misleading information and making an already tense situation worse.

Because leaders shouldn't do that.

Also still unclear whether this breaches the rules the rest of us are expected to abide by.

No.

Because he's posting lots of misleading information and making an already tense situation worse.

Because leaders shouldn't do that.

Also still unclear whether this breaches the rules the rest of us are expected to abide by.

What rules are you saying he has broken?

 

[KCfromNC]

Even if just some of them are true we still should DEMAND a fair election.

Can you pick an example or two which concerns you the most and describe how it should be handled differently to make things more "fair"?

 

[Triumvirate]

What rules are you saying he has broken?

They have admitted this is a copy paste of links from elsewhere. No original link has been cited, as far as I can tell, plus from what I read in the rules only a certain amount of a source may be copy pasted

Beyond that, it's just irresponsible given how febrile everything is right now.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Yeah but equally this is why Gish Gallops are informal fallacies.

Expecting people to verify tons of claims, rather than providing your own verification, is time consuming, and it is why these things are better served by posting points one at a time rather than spamming the thread.

Looks like you have your work cut out for you in verifying claims then because I doubt they'll stop posting them.

 

[Neogaia777]

What rules are you saying he has broken?

Almost every single one of God's rules or laws, etc, and is getting very, very many to follow him, etc...

Why I want him out, etc...

Trump I mean, etc...

God Bless!