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Confusion about God's will and my salvation

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I am posting under “New Christians” because I keep trying to become a Christian and hoping I have become one. I have confusion and concern both about God’s will for me and my salvation.

Assuming I already am a Christian, I should be seeking, as they often pray, “Your [God’s] will be done, not mine.” I want to be saved and I want to do my will, not God’s. This contradiction causes me much doubt and confusion.

Luke 22:39-42 reads:

“Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His disciples also followed him. When He came to the place, He said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.

“And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, saying, ‘Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; Nevertheless, not My will, but Yours, be done.”

My Dr. David Jeremiah Study Bible note on this passage says: “God does not ask for absolute perfection from his people, only a desire and determination to do His will.”

In recent hours I have been praying things like, ‘God, I do not have a desire and determination to do Your will,’ ‘How can I have a desire to do Your will when in reality, I want to do my will,’ ‘God, I need to have a desire and determination to do Your will.’

I really want to be saved. I want to pass from death to life and be secure in Jesus’ arms forever. I have sought “the moment of salvation” for decades, because I know that, after that moment of salvation, one is secure forever, no matter what. But assurance of salvation is always fleeting for me. Part of the problem is that I have Religious OCD. But another part of the problem is that I have, at best, wavering faith. My faith wavers on a moment-by-moment basis. I may give my life to Christ at one moment, but the next will be continuing to live for myself, going after my own will, the same as if nothing happened. Part of that problem is probably that I seek to be saved but also seek to do my own thing. So, I suppose, that I envision my potential salvation like this: I turn to Christ, get saved, then pull back and let him work on me over time to get me in line with His will; but in the meantime – I’m safe! I’m saved! Some Christians would say that is seeking a “fire insurance policy,” so that I avoid hell, but that’s it. I know that one cannot just get a “fire insurance policy” from God and go on to live for themselves, like any non-believer. If I have that cynical of an approach to salvation, I may be unsavable.

So I do some thinking about doing God’s will. Besides my natural proclivity to do my own will, not God’s, I have honest confusion about how God’s will relates to me and my will. I am confused about the line, or the chasm, between God’s will and mine. I know about “Love your neighbor” and “love your enemies,” but what is God’s will for me in the next five minutes, being that it is before 6 AM and no one else is about?

I have an agenda and a proposed schedule. Every time I think I get saved, I think, ‘Great! Now, if it be God’s will, I can continue to work my schedule and my agenda.’ But my schedule and my agenda are MY will. Should I just go about my schedule and my agenda, and let circumstances dictate what I think is God’s will for me? When I set out to do my schedule and my agenda, the thought comes, ‘I am not doing God’s will, I’m doing mine, and I may not be saved.’

I really want to be saved. If that means I need to do God’s will, I need to be seeking to do His will. But I wonder about things in relation to God’s will. Can God’s will and mine sometimes dovetail? If I have a career agenda, should I just follow it?

If doing my schedule and agenda means I am not saved, then I must revert to what I have been doing for decades. I must cease all unnecessary activity and seek salvation full time. Give my life to Christ and let the chips fall where they may after that.

I’ve supposedly given my life to Christ hundreds of times. But assurance of salvation is always fleeting.

I have an invention idea and a business idea, besides other projects. But if pursuing those means I am not going to heaven, then I must cease all activity and seek salvation full time.
 

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The bible says God will is 'perfect and pleasant' it means is more nice than even what you can imagine.
At first God will i guess is we try to do his commandments, and then while seeking Him, and being filled with the Holy spirit, and having communion with Him, we could discover more of what could be his plans for us.
 
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Following Christ is a journey.

I have noticed that some Christians get really, really worried as to whether they're "saved enough" or "prayed the sinner's prayer the right way". Every Christian struggles against their own, will, Bob. Every single one. That is part of the walk, and you're not going to stumble across a magic moment where all of your own will just vanishes. That's not what conversion does; instead, it prepares the heart to love and know and follow Christ.

Do your best each day. Ask forgiveness when you mess up. Just live your life, pray about anything that causes confusion, and ask God to open the right doors for you when the time is right. Do your best to avoid sin, and, maybe, relax a little. Love Him, and let Him love you back. Spend time in prayer daily, read something from the Gospels each day, and don't be so hard on yourself.

Conversion is not meant to make us perfect or sinless. It's meant to ready us to follow Him, and that's going to look a little it different for each person.
 
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I'm going to be a little more blunt here because I've seen you post this same kind of question (and I've replied to it) and I feel like, giving you the same answers isn't going to help.

The enemy is sowing anxiety in you.

I want you to really think about that for a minute. You are getting so swept up with nuance actions and whether this is Gods will or not, which is exactly like the Israelite's did back in the day. They made 500 some odd new rules in order to interpret the rules God gave them. This caused Jesus to be accused of breaking the law by healing people on the sabbath and Jesus had to remind them the point of the sabbath to begin with. You're doing the exact same thing the Israelite's did, but with the topic of "God's will" instead.

God's will is to accept Jesus as your savior, to walk in righteousness to the best of your ability by getting rid of sin and following God's rules, and if God directs you in some manner, to follow that direction while putting God first above anything (family, friends, career). Follow the bible, follow the teachings of the bible and stop sweating the nuances that you're placing into your life that is not the point of what God is saying.

Examples:
(Include God) In a job, I pray and ask if God wants me there.
(Doesn't Matter) Before I cook dinner, I just cook dinner. God doesn't need to determine what I have for food and if there is something specific, he will step in. He's warned me about food before (because I have allergies) but I don't pray and ask him about every single food before I eat it, I just plan my normal life.
(Include God) If my husband and I get into an argument, I ask God if there was anything on MY end, that I could have done better. Based on that, he will direct me to apologize, or just sit and let him work in my husbands life, so we can reconcile.
(Doesn't Matter) If my plan for the day is chores, I get up, eat breakfast, ask God if there is anything specific he wants me to do/read (in the bible) today and if not, I continue my day as planned. Chores, reading scripture in a continuation in whatever book I was in, and then continue the rest of the day.

My salvation with the Lord is secure, because he leads me to corrections (about my behavior/thoughts etc in general), I can see how much I've changed for the better over the years (growth in fruits of the spirit) and that proves my walk with Christ. I am his servant, and that means I will hop to if he wants me to, but in the mean time, I plan my life and have faith that he will re-direct me when necessary as he's always done.

The enemy plaguing you constantly with what-ifs or attacking your every move is rooting you in nothing but fear and anxiety and that's not healthy. Read more of scripture so you have a better understanding of what God expects from us and what he doesn't and let that be your guide. Not fear/anxiety or the idea you aren't being nuanced in every one of your decisions enough. God is our Father and he treats us like a child, not a robot. Include Him when you feel it's necessary, and leave the regular mundane day to day tasks, with your decisions. Just like our parents want us to be a well functioning adult, God wants the same for us, but still include him in big things.
 
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In John 6:40 Jesus says:

"For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
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It is not a matter of what the verse is saying, the problem is believing what the verse states. Sadly many know what the verse says, but most do not believe what the verse states.
 
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I have confusion and concern both about God’s will for me and my salvation.
"casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." (1 Peter 5:7)

Assuming I already am a Christian, I should be seeking, as they often pray, “Your [God’s] will be done, not mine.” I want to be saved and I want to do my will, not God’s. This contradiction causes me much doubt and confusion.
Well, we are not going to have peace about doing our own wills.

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

We have rest while doing God's will.
 
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I am posting under “New Christians” because I keep trying to become a Christian and hoping I have become one. I have confusion and concern both about God’s will for me and my salvation.

Assuming I already am a Christian, I should be seeking, as they often pray, “Your [God’s] will be done, not mine.” I want to be saved and I want to do my will, not God’s. This contradiction causes me much doubt and confusion.

Luke 22:39-42 reads:

“Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His disciples also followed him. When He came to the place, He said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.

“And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, saying, ‘Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; Nevertheless, not My will, but Yours, be done.”

My Dr. David Jeremiah Study Bible note on this passage says: “God does not ask for absolute perfection from his people, only a desire and determination to do His will.”

In recent hours I have been praying things like, ‘God, I do not have a desire and determination to do Your will,’ ‘How can I have a desire to do Your will when in reality, I want to do my will,’ ‘God, I need to have a desire and determination to do Your will.’

I really want to be saved. I want to pass from death to life and be secure in Jesus’ arms forever. I have sought “the moment of salvation” for decades, because I know that, after that moment of salvation, one is secure forever, no matter what. But assurance of salvation is always fleeting for me. Part of the problem is that I have Religious OCD. But another part of the problem is that I have, at best, wavering faith. My faith wavers on a moment-by-moment basis. I may give my life to Christ at one moment, but the next will be continuing to live for myself, going after my own will, the same as if nothing happened. Part of that problem is probably that I seek to be saved but also seek to do my own thing. So, I suppose, that I envision my potential salvation like this: I turn to Christ, get saved, then pull back and let him work on me over time to get me in line with His will; but in the meantime – I’m safe! I’m saved! Some Christians would say that is seeking a “fire insurance policy,” so that I avoid hell, but that’s it. I know that one cannot just get a “fire insurance policy” from God and go on to live for themselves, like any non-believer. If I have that cynical of an approach to salvation, I may be unsavable.

So I do some thinking about doing God’s will. Besides my natural proclivity to do my own will, not God’s, I have honest confusion about how God’s will relates to me and my will. I am confused about the line, or the chasm, between God’s will and mine. I know about “Love your neighbor” and “love your enemies,” but what is God’s will for me in the next five minutes, being that it is before 6 AM and no one else is about?

I have an agenda and a proposed schedule. Every time I think I get saved, I think, ‘Great! Now, if it be God’s will, I can continue to work my schedule and my agenda.’ But my schedule and my agenda are MY will. Should I just go about my schedule and my agenda, and let circumstances dictate what I think is God’s will for me? When I set out to do my schedule and my agenda, the thought comes, ‘I am not doing God’s will, I’m doing mine, and I may not be saved.’

I really want to be saved. If that means I need to do God’s will, I need to be seeking to do His will. But I wonder about things in relation to God’s will. Can God’s will and mine sometimes dovetail? If I have a career agenda, should I just follow it?

If doing my schedule and agenda means I am not saved, then I must revert to what I have been doing for decades. I must cease all unnecessary activity and seek salvation full time. Give my life to Christ and let the chips fall where they may after that.

I’ve supposedly given my life to Christ hundreds of times. But assurance of salvation is always fleeting.

I have an invention idea and a business idea, besides other projects. But if pursuing those means I am not going to heaven, then I must cease all activity and seek salvation full time.

At one stage in my walk I prayed the same prayer every day for about six months.

"Lord give me this day, the desires to do your will and the grace to be obedient"

You see He said "If you delight in the Lord He will give you the desires of your heart."

That has a double meaning... He will plant His desires in you - and He will bring them to fruition.

Most guidance comes through desire.

However it is conditional on delighting in the Lord - so if you lack this love for Him then ask for it.

Lastly being born again involves coming to a total surrender to Him including a surrender of your will.

There will however, always be a tension between the flesh and the Spirit - and this is normal on this side of eternity.
 
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I am posting under “New Christians” because I keep trying to become a Christian and hoping I have become one. I have confusion and concern both about God’s will for me and my salvation.

Assuming I already am a Christian, I should be seeking, as they often pray, “Your [God’s] will be done, not mine.” I want to be saved and I want to do my will, not God’s. This contradiction causes me much doubt and confusion.

Luke 22:39-42 reads:

“Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His disciples also followed him. When He came to the place, He said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.

“And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, saying, ‘Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; Nevertheless, not My will, but Yours, be done.”

My Dr. David Jeremiah Study Bible note on this passage says: “God does not ask for absolute perfection from his people, only a desire and determination to do His will.”

In recent hours I have been praying things like, ‘God, I do not have a desire and determination to do Your will,’ ‘How can I have a desire to do Your will when in reality, I want to do my will,’ ‘God, I need to have a desire and determination to do Your will.’

I really want to be saved. I want to pass from death to life and be secure in Jesus’ arms forever. I have sought “the moment of salvation” for decades, because I know that, after that moment of salvation, one is secure forever, no matter what. But assurance of salvation is always fleeting for me. Part of the problem is that I have Religious OCD. But another part of the problem is that I have, at best, wavering faith. My faith wavers on a moment-by-moment basis. I may give my life to Christ at one moment, but the next will be continuing to live for myself, going after my own will, the same as if nothing happened. Part of that problem is probably that I seek to be saved but also seek to do my own thing. So, I suppose, that I envision my potential salvation like this: I turn to Christ, get saved, then pull back and let him work on me over time to get me in line with His will; but in the meantime – I’m safe! I’m saved! Some Christians would say that is seeking a “fire insurance policy,” so that I avoid hell, but that’s it. I know that one cannot just get a “fire insurance policy” from God and go on to live for themselves, like any non-believer. If I have that cynical of an approach to salvation, I may be unsavable.

So I do some thinking about doing God’s will. Besides my natural proclivity to do my own will, not God’s, I have honest confusion about how God’s will relates to me and my will. I am confused about the line, or the chasm, between God’s will and mine. I know about “Love your neighbor” and “love your enemies,” but what is God’s will for me in the next five minutes, being that it is before 6 AM and no one else is about?

I have an agenda and a proposed schedule. Every time I think I get saved, I think, ‘Great! Now, if it be God’s will, I can continue to work my schedule and my agenda.’ But my schedule and my agenda are MY will. Should I just go about my schedule and my agenda, and let circumstances dictate what I think is God’s will for me? When I set out to do my schedule and my agenda, the thought comes, ‘I am not doing God’s will, I’m doing mine, and I may not be saved.’

I really want to be saved. If that means I need to do God’s will, I need to be seeking to do His will. But I wonder about things in relation to God’s will. Can God’s will and mine sometimes dovetail? If I have a career agenda, should I just follow it?

If doing my schedule and agenda means I am not saved, then I must revert to what I have been doing for decades. I must cease all unnecessary activity and seek salvation full time. Give my life to Christ and let the chips fall where they may after that.

I’ve supposedly given my life to Christ hundreds of times. But assurance of salvation is always fleeting.

I have an invention idea and a business idea, besides other projects. But if pursuing those means I am not going to heaven, then I must cease all activity and seek salvation full time.
The first step to being a follower of Christ, is true knowledge. John 17:3; 1 Timothy 2:3, 4 Only then, can we know the will of God.
 
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You aren't alone in this struggle. Many, if not most, people struggle with it at some point. One technical description of who is saved is that it is those who genuinely believe the God of the Bible is real, that God's Son, Jesus, was (and is) real and really died to pay for your sins. This is basically the meaning of John 3:16. However, more explanation is needed, because we are not always accurate in perceiving how genuine our belief is or what qualities comprise that faith (Matthew 7:21-23).

Those who are saved genuinely believe God is GOD—that is, has authority over us to judge us for the good and evil we have done. That also means that it is right and good to submit to His authority, which means we will strive to obey Him in everything (Matthew 28:19-20)—with His help. If you genuinely believe He is real and have yielded every area of your life to His control, then you are saved and God has granted you (your spirit is "you"; your body is temporary "clothing" or a "tent" that remains tainted with sin in this life) a rebirth into sinlessness. You are a new creation in union with Jesus. We are instructed to "act as we really are" as new creations in Christ.

Importantly, for those not yet saved and for those saved, the path forward is the same. So some people can take comfort that if they are on that path, they are saved or God will save them. The path is what comes from having a heart of devotion to the Lord, no matter how real that devotion is: Seek to know the Lord better—the Bible's purpose is to show us what pleases God and what is sin and to lead us to God Himself. We are not worshipers of the Bible; we worship the God who gave us the Bible so that we might find and know Him—so that we can live to please Him, which also happens to be what will work out best for yourself in the long-run (see Romans 8:28). As you live in devotion to Jesus, He will transform you increasingly into His likeness. If you weren't saved, He will save you.

As a result it is highly beneficial to read the Bible regularly, especially the New Testament (which outlines the 2nd Covenant which we are under), and set our hearts on obeying (the properly interpreted meaning) His commands. Keep in mind:

Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. (James 1:22, 1984 NIV)

God uses your actual obedience to turn your book knowledge of Him into experiential knowledge. Be sure to persist in praying to Him for what you need and want. This creates opportunities for you to experience God Himself, which is quite different than reading about Him.
 
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One of the distinct realities about the Christian message is that when properly framed, the whole carrots and sticks approach that religious men use to control their audiences evaporates. Your issue, I would say, is not a question of whether or not you are saved; but that you have yet to understand just how good the news Jesus brought truly is. Salvation is not about what we do or don't do, though that is not to say that our conduct is unimportant. But God saves us because who He is, based on His promises and His faithfulness. As we grow to know God, the more He conforms us to His image...we can't force it, and we can't condemn ourselves to a point of security. If you want to have assurance of your salvation, stop trying to win God's affections and realize that God so loved the world even while we were yet sinners.
 
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