When is Jesus coming back?

CerebralCherub said:

Well, with respect, I do not agree that you know because Jesus Christ said that you cannot know since He doesn't even know.

God bless.

Click to expand...

Jesus does not know the day nor hour when God the Father will send Jesus to rapture the saints to heaven.

Differently, Marilyn in post #16 was giving her opinion of what time of the year (whatever year that may turn out to be) as being on the festival of lights, 29th of Kislev (equivalent to November-December).

I have no opinion what month. Maybe Jesus's return will coincide with the fall feasts in the bible.

Douggg said:

Jesus does not know the day nor hour when God the Father will send Jesus to rapture the saints to heaven.

Differently, Marilyn in post #16 was giving her opinion of what time of the year (whatever year that may turn out to be) as being on the festival of lights, 29th of Kislev (equivalent to November-December).

I have no opinion what month. Maybe Jesus's return will coincide with the fall feasts in the bible.

Click to expand...

Now Doug, we know that Jesus when on earth limited Himself, however, He is now at the right hand of the Father and one with Him in the Godhead.

To think that Jesus does not know when the Father will send Him negates, He knows when He has matured His Body and when the Father is bringing the nations to His feet for judgment, (Ps. 110: 1). In other words Jesus isn`t equal, in unity and of the same mind as the Godhead.

Douggg said:

We can't determine the exact year, agreed.

But I think we determine a "not later than" year - going by the parable of the fig tree generation, in Matthew 24:32-34.

The fig tree representing Jerusalem. And Psalms 90:10, a generation being 70 years.

1967 Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews + 70 years for a generation = 2037 as the not later than year.

Click to expand...

Matthew 24:32-34 say:

“32 ¶ “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 “So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 “Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.” (Mt 24:32-34 NKJV)

Nothing in those verses says that the fig tree represents Jerusalem. Psalm 90:10 says that a man's life is about 70 years, not one generation. A new generation starts when a couple have their first child, not when the man (or the woman) dies. 1st century Christians were told to be ready for the Second Coming, so we cannot say that being told to be ready means we need to determine even a "not later than" year.

Marilyn C said:

Maybe you would like to think on this -

Jesus when on earth did not know of His return however we know that He is now at the right hand of the Father and fully in the Godhead again. Thus, He knows very well all things, and when He will return to deliver Israel and bring judgments upon the nations.

Click to expand...

Yes, He knows. We don't. The Father knows. We don't.

No amount of calendars or human evidence, human reasoning or deduction, will change what Jesus said very definitively.

You can't and won't know.

Only the Father knows.

To claim otherwise is to claim that you know more than Jesus Christ and are equal in knowledge to the Father. You are not. I am not. We are not.

Please pray on this with me because I believe we have normalized talking about the second coming, as though we have the authority and knowledge which is the Father's alone, which is in grievous error.

Remember, Adam and Eve thought they knew better. Cain thought he knew better. Satan thought he knew better.

There is no good outcome in thinking we are smarter than the Father.

David Lamb said:

Matthew 24:32-34 say:

“32 ¶ “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 “So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 “Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.” (Mt 24:32-34 NKJV)

Nothing in those verses says that the fig tree represents Jerusalem. Psalm 90:10 says that a man's life is about 70 years, not one generation. A new generation starts when a couple have their first child, not when the man (or the woman) dies. 1st century Christians were told to be ready for the Second Coming, so we cannot say that being told to be ready means we need to determine even a "not later than" year.

Click to expand...

The verses 32-34 themselves don't say that the fig tree represent Jerusalem. It is up to the reader to figure out what the fig tree represents.

That the fig tree represents Jerusalem comes from....

Matthew 21:18-20, when Jesus and the disciples were about to enter Jerusalem the week He would be crucified, Jesus was looking for something to eat. So he examined a fig tree beside the road. But it had no fruit on it. So he cursed the fig tree to never bear fruit again. Symbolic of that generation of Jerusalem not bearing fruit of doing God's will by rejecting Jesus. So the kingdom of God was taken from that generation of Jerusalem for not bearing fruit.

Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The current nation of Israel will receive the kingdom of God, when the Jews of Jerusalem will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation.

The nation of Israel regained control of Jerusalem in 1967. That generation begun in 1967 will not pass away before Jesus returns, bringing with Him the kingdom of heaven to be the kingdom of God to rule over the nations.

Douggg said:

The verses 32-34 themselves don't say that the fig tree represent Jerusalem. It is up to the reader to figure out what the fig tree represents.

That the fig tree represents Jerusalem comes from....

Matthew 21:18-20, when Jesus and the disciples were about to enter Jerusalem the week He would be crucified, Jesus was looking for something to eat. So he examined a fig tree beside the road. But it had no fruit on it. So he cursed the fig tree to never bear fruit again. Symbolic of that generation of Jerusalem not bearing fruit of doing God's will by rejecting Jesus. So the kingdom of God was taken from that generation of Jerusalem for not bearing fruit.

Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The current nation of Israel will receive the kingdom of God, when the Jews of Jerusalem will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation.

The nation of Israel regained control of Jerusalem in 1967. That generation begun in 1967 will not pass away before Jesus returns, bringing with Him the kingdom of heaven to be the kingdom of God to rule over the nations.

Click to expand...

Thanks for replying. Certainly the majority in Jerusalem were fruitless, but there were Christians there. Similarly, with other places in Israel, Judea, and indeed in the world, some people believe and bear fruit, and others don't. I am afraid I still don't see the fig tree representing only the unfruitful in Jerusalem.

Jesus said what to look for.

False prophets, and false Christs. Christian persecution. Many shall be offended, betray one another and hate one another. Famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes. Wars and rumors of wars.



This is what Peter had to say about the time we are living in.


The end of all things is at hand. Present tense.

Jesus, in His Revelation from heaven, through an angel.



For the hour of His judgment is come. Jesus says that He is coming quickly.

Let me add something else then to this mix, he also said the ANGELS don't know. So now we have an issue that we, humans who are full of error and under the curse of sin until we have glorified bodies, think God would tell us when he comes and not his messengers?? That doesn't make sense.

Also, the parable of the fig tree is a parable. It means it is a story with symbolism so you can understand the message or a point and taking it quite literally to figure out any time reference or date disregards the point of a parable in the first place. The point Jesus was making was, you can physically see when summer is near when you watch the trees bloom. It is a sign to you. So when you see all the signs he spoke up, it will be our sign that his coming is near. It's a concept story, not literal. Same with the rest of his parables. He even states he spoke in figurative speech. We must be careful when trying to find secret knowledge in a place where it isn't. People have been saying "the parable of the fig tree when Israel becomes a nation!!" for decades and now the time as passed, people just resort to some other idea by NOW saying it must be when they took back Jerusalem! Because cognitive dissonance doesn't allow them to admit they were wrong and just move passed it.

Because the angels don't even know, we shouldn't accept what we think we know about something and accept the scripture for what it says... no one knows. Ignoring verses to fit a narrative that you like is a practice the bible is against. I say this with love because I'm tired of seeing people come up with all these different dates, just to have their faith dashed to pieces when they're proven wrong.

Focus on God, focus on what we should be doing which is spreading his word and keeping our faith and walk intact with God. We should prepare ourselves daily and let the Lord find us doing his work.

CerebralCherub said:

Yes, He knows. We don't. The Father knows. We don't.

No amount of calendars or human evidence, human reasoning or deduction, will change what Jesus said very definitively.

You can't and won't know.

Only the Father knows.

To claim otherwise is to claim that you know more than Jesus Christ and are equal in knowledge to the Father. You are not. I am not. We are not.

Please pray on this with me because I believe we have normalized talking about the second coming, as though we have the authority and knowledge which is the Father's alone, which is in grievous error.

Remember, Adam and Eve thought they knew better. Cain thought he knew better. Satan thought he knew better.

There is no good outcome in thinking we are smarter than the Father.

Click to expand...

Hi CC,

I hear your concern, however I believe the Head of the Body does give indication as to when He will come for us.

`...exhorting (warning & encouraging) one another, and so much the more AS YOU SEE the Day approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25)

I think it's more important to realize that Christ states he comes at an hour most do not expect. Many are waiting on Christ right now believing he can return at any moment. And yet he will only return when the signs he lays out comes to pass. And Paul also lays out what must take place before our gathering back to him. We have to wait on the true Christ and not fall away to the fake one that arrives first "instead of Christ" Both Christ and Paul tell us not to be deceived by any means concerning this.
We don't know the day or the hour but knowing the signs to look for is what being a watchman is all about. Only when those thing come to pass in someone's generation/lifetime can they look up and know he's at the door.