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DeSantis to make Florida first state to end *all* vaccine mandates for schools

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Ah yes, the "essential" businesses. Like Home Depot. But not your local hardware store. Or Walmart. But not your local convenience store. Or bars that served food, but not bars that only had drinks. The government suddenly decided it had the authority to tell you what was and was not "essential". Although I think small business owners would find their businesses "essential" to survive.

Those closures were ridiculously arbitrary and they resulted in countless permanent small business closures. I mean, I guess if you think it's "reasonable" to give up your livelihood and everything you've worked for your entire life. But I can understand why this "drew loads of ire".

Likewise, closing schools had a significantly negative impact on out student's education. Apparently, some felt the price of "protecting" our students during COVID was robbing them of their education and life experiences that they'll never get back. I'll never forget the parade through our town of high school seniors in their cars for graduation in 2020. They went to school for 13 years and never got to experience the joy and satisfaction of walking across the stage at their commencement to receive their diploma in front of their friends and family. That was taken away from them because of the inane and arbitrary forced closures. I can also understand why that "drew loads of ire".

I think this is why many people have convinced themselves that we had to do something, even iff they knew it wouldn't help. Otherwise, they have to admit they were just part of a big performance in which they willingly surrendered their rights for absolutely nothing.

Now you’re arguing something different. I’ve already conceded that the closure mandates were often applied inconsistently. But that has nothing to do with the merits of the argument that staying home is safer than going out and congregating. If, as you claim, these folks were balking at the flimsy science, they should have been voluntarily staying home/distancing rather than looking for ways to congregate with the argument “well if they can, I should be able to, too.”

I agree that people balked at having their rights infringed, but that reaction had nothing to do with science or their hewing to it.
 
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Now you’re arguing something different. I’ve already conceded that the closure mandates were often applied inconsistently.

Boy, is that ever the understatement of the century!

But that has nothing to do with the merits of the argument that staying home is safer than going out and congregating.

You don't have to shut society down to promote people staying home when they're not feeling well.

If, as you claim, these folks were balking at the flimsy science, they should have been voluntarily staying home/distancing rather than looking for ways to congregate with the argument “well if they can, I should be able to, too.”

What are you talking about? People stayed home in droves. Normally busting cities were reduced to ghost towns. It was only once it became abundantly clear that the mandates being implemented were completely arbitrary, that's when people balked at them.

Staying home didn't make anyone "safer". It's interesting to read pandemic preparedness plans from before COVID. They all recognized the immense collateral damage that would result from massive closures, and advised against it. But for some reason when COVID hit, they tossed all of those preparedness plans right out the window in favor of the "lockdowns" those plans said would be untenable.

I agree that people balked at having their rights infringed, but that reaction had nothing to do with science or their hewing to it.

It most certainly did. There is absolutely nothing scientific about arbitrary mandates that have no evidence base. We all had to wait patiently for Mandy Cohen to call her bestie to see when she was going to lift mask mandates. That's what the "science" looked like during COVID.
 
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Ah yes, the "essential" businesses. Like Home Depot. But not your local hardware store. Or Walmart. But not your local convenience store. Or bars that served food, but not bars that only had drinks. The government suddenly decided it had the authority to tell you what was and was not "essential". Although I think small business owners would find their businesses "essential" to survive.

Those closures were ridiculously arbitrary and they resulted in countless permanent small business closures. I mean, I guess if you think it's "reasonable" to give up your livelihood and everything you've worked for your entire life. But I can understand why this "drew loads of ire".

Likewise, closing schools had a significantly negative impact on out student's education. Apparently, some felt the price of "protecting" our students during COVID was robbing them of their education and life experiences that they'll never get back. I'll never forget the parade through our town of high school seniors in their cars for graduation in 2020. They went to school for 13 years and never got to experience the joy and satisfaction of walking across the stage at their commencement to receive their diploma in front of their friends and family. That was taken away from them because of the inane and arbitrary forced closures. I can also understand why that "drew loads of ire".

I think this is why many people have convinced themselves that we had to do something, even iff they knew it wouldn't help. Otherwise, they have to admit they were just part of a big performance in which they willingly surrendered their rights for absolutely nothing.
 
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Ah yes, the "essential" businesses. Like Home Depot. But not your local hardware store. Or Walmart. But not your local convenience store. Or bars that served food, but not bars that only had drinks. The government suddenly decided it had the authority to tell you what was and was not "essential". Although I think small business owners would find their businesses "essential" to survive.
The ones who determined essential and non-essential were the states. There's something particularly essential about convenience stores: gasoline and diesel, so a state that shut those down was more ignorant than most.

Do you have some examples? Not saying it didn't happen, but here, most were employed in what was defined as essential businesses. That ranged from farming (easy to isolate in the seat of a tractor) to lumber to stores of all types. What got shut down were services like barber shops and beauty parlors. Before too long, beauty shops were scheduling appointments so there weren't a bunch of people hanging around, and barbershops already used UV and Barbercide (tm) (yes, a real product) to sanitize combs, clippers, succors, and various other tools. And that was before the vaccine came out.
 
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We've already established that mandates are not required in the majority of Europe. I'm curious why you think that is.
Fewer scared under educated self involved fantasist?
 
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When I was a kid we have vaccinations at school but we could opt out if we wanted. One of the kids I knew was from a very religious family and opted out. No one from my class did.

Being kids we would single those folks out for victimisation chanting ‘lurgy’ at the poor lad. But that was how things were back then. It was pretty dog eat dog.
I had to sit out the Rubella vaccine on doctor's orders. Back then, there was a chance I was allergic to the base, and so my doctor said not to take it. Sat in the classroom alone while my classmates got their shots. Whether it was because they knew why I couldn't take it or not, didn't get picked at about it.

That same allergy was why I didn't take a flu vaccine until after 1993. That flu did such a number on me that I chanced it. Didn't have a reaction and have taken them every year except the one when there was a shortage.
 
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Before too long, beauty shops were scheduling appointments so there weren't a bunch of people hanging around, and barbershops already used UV and Barbercide (tm) (yes, a real product) to sanitize combs, clippers, succors, and various other tools. And that was before the vaccine came out.

Barbicide is the blue disinfectant the combs are soaking in. Barbercide is the killing of a barber. Cheers. :)
 
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Barbicide is the blue disinfectant the combs are soaking in. Barbercide is the killing of a barber. Cheers. :)
So it is. Supposedly Barbicide got it's name because its inventor hated going to the barber as a child. The latter is what I was thinking of.
 
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Barbicide is the blue disinfectant the combs are soaking in. Barbercide is the killing of a barber. Cheers. :)
I always thought the latter was tonsorilicide?
 
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I am so tired of living in this idiot state. Every day is another example of the idiocracy in action. We have planned on waiting till summer 28 to retire back to Canada but I don't know if we will be able to hold out that long.
You should probably have already left, IMO.

I'm also not sure if Canada is far enough.
 
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Would any Europeans here care to comment on this?
Plenty of idiots who are against vaccination because of conspiracy myths over here.
 
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I always thought the latter was tonsnrilicide?
Very possibly. Barbicide (tm) has come up in discussions over cleaning used straight, double-edge, and injector razors, due to various blood-borne pathogens and the risk of nicks. It is/was ubiquitous in barber shops. seen un a clear canister marked with "Barbicide" and filled with the blue liquid. Said canister was tall enough to accept combs. A long open device where barbers placed various tools and bathed them in UV light were common from at least the 1960s on. The last barber shop I went to, there was a canister of Barbicide (tm) on the shelf behind the barber. Will note that he still had Octagon Soap for sale, as well as a huge bottle of Pinaud Lilac Vegetal.
 
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DeSantis to make Florida first state to end all vaccine mandates for schools

Florida surgeon general equates vaccine mandates to ‘slavery’ while announcing new policy push

Equating vaccine mandates with “slavery,” Joseph Ladapo, the state’s surgeon general who has a history of promoting health-related misinformation, said the Florida Department of Health and the governor’s office would work together to end every single vaccine mandate.

“Every last one of them is wrong and drips with disdain and slavery,” Ladapo said.

[Currently, school] vaccines are mandated to prevent life-threatening illnesses such as measles, mumps, and rubella, polio, tetanus, Hepatitis B, and many more.

“Who am I as a government or anyone else, or as a man standing here now, to tell you what you should put in your body?"


Well, you're supposed to be the state's top public health official.

Immunization rates among Florida kindergartners have dropped significantly [through exemptions] over the last five years, according to the Florida Department of Health. In 2020, 93.5 percent of kindergarteners were vaccinated. In 2024, that number has dropped to 89.8 percent.
As simply as it can be put, Slavery was detrimental and/or unnecessary suffering to the health of 99% yet vaccines are the opposite.
 
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