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DeSantis to make Florida first state to end *all* vaccine mandates for schools

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DeSantis to make Florida first state to end all vaccine mandates for schools

Florida surgeon general equates vaccine mandates to ‘slavery’ while announcing new policy push

Equating vaccine mandates with “slavery,” Joseph Ladapo, the state’s surgeon general who has a history of promoting health-related misinformation, said the Florida Department of Health and the governor’s office would work together to end every single vaccine mandate.

“Every last one of them is wrong and drips with disdain and slavery,” Ladapo said.

[Currently, school] vaccines are mandated to prevent life-threatening illnesses such as measles, mumps, and rubella, polio, tetanus, Hepatitis B, and many more.

“Who am I as a government or anyone else, or as a man standing here now, to tell you what you should put in your body?"


Well, you're supposed to be the state's top public health official.

Immunization rates among Florida kindergartners have dropped significantly [through exemptions] over the last five years, according to the Florida Department of Health. In 2020, 93.5 percent of kindergarteners were vaccinated. In 2024, that number has dropped to 89.8 percent.
 
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And the sickness rate? Has it stayed the same, lessened or grown?
Time and time again, areas of the country with low childhood vaccination rates have seen fast-moving and lethal outbreaks of diseases, such as measles.

This past year, more than 760 people were infected with measles in West Texas, where kindergarten vaccination rates were 82 percent, far below the levels needed for herd immunity which is around 93 percent. Two unvaccinated children, aged six and eight, died as a result.

In 2018, when [Florida's] kindergarten vaccination rate dropped to 91.1 percent, the state saw an uptick in measles cases

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Nationally, measles vaccination rates in children have been falling, and we have a record high number of cases this year.

However, vaccination coverage among U.S. kindergartners has decreased from 95.2% during the 2019–2020 school year to 92.7% in the 2023–2024 school year, l


As of September 2, 2025, there have been a total of 1,431 confirmed* measles cases reported in the United States.

This is the most since the 1990s before measles was declared eliminated in the US.
 
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I am so tired of living in this idiot state. Every day is another example of the idiocracy in action. We have planned on waiting till summer 28 to retire back to Canada but I don't know if we will be able to hold out that long.
 
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If state Republicans have their way, Florida will become a mass grave for children. So much for "family values".

I'm looking to leave the state some time in the next year. Between climate change, the stupid politics of the state, or the meaningless and ugly sprawl (they are all interrelated, IMO), there's no reason to stay anymore. This is not how civilized humans live, and there's nothing really "conservative" about it.
 
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Ridiculous and inane hyperbole aside, I will be interested to see how this affects vaccine uptake.

Florida isn't ending vaccination. They're ending vaccination mandates. I guess the people making these apoplectic predictions must believe that the majority of people are vaccinating their children simply because they MUST. I tend to believe that most people vaccinate their children because they think it's in their best interest to do so, not because they're being forced to do so.

Sure, there are those who refuse vaccines, but that happens now with exemptions for all kinds of reasons. I will be curious to see how the removal of mandates affects vaccine uptake.
 
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It's worth noting that mandatory vaccination policies vary greatly all over the world. For instance, 16 of 28 European countries DO NOT have mandatory vaccination policies. Oddly, these places have not turned into mass graves for children despite not mandating vaccines.

 
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It's worth noting that mandatory vaccination policies vary greatly all over the world. For instance, 16 of 28 European countries DO NOT have mandatory vaccination policies. Oddly, these places have not turned into mass graves for children despite not mandating vaccines.


Your comment lacks context. Many European countries don't have mandatory vaccination policies because most people get vaccinated out of a sense of trust in the institutions (where healthcare is often free at the point of service), a sense of social duty, and not because they reject the logic of vaccination.
 
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“Who am I as a government or anyone else, or as a man standing here now, to tell you what you should put in your body?"

Well, you're supposed to be the state's top public health official.
Which is a rather disturbing thing to say, both by overlooking the legal basis behind vaccine mandates and implying any state official has near dictatorial control over his state's citizens.

Here's the legal basis for vaccine mandates for any state: A state has the right to set the requirements to attend state funded schools. A private school has that same right. It's not a matter of the state saying children must be vaccinated by such and such an age; it's that students must be vaccinated to attend. State's schools; state's rules. It's just that simple. If someone wanted to homeschool, the state couldn't dictate that the children be vaccinated. It would be a bad idea not to vaccinate the children, but the state couldn't demand it.

That's the legal basis. It's reasonable (a requirement to attend schools paid for by the state) without dictatorial powers.

I'm a strong proponent of vaccinations for a very simple reason: I grew up beside an old cemetery and remember the little graves. A funeral home director in the 1980s commented that the biggest change he'd seen was he didn't sell as many small caskets. I was just after that era, but knew someone who had a withered arm from Polio and heard about what was once called childhood illnesses. All this was known to my parents and theirs, and there was no opposition that I can recall to vaccines: people remembered life without it. We had heard stories about ailments like lockjaw to the point where we were glad to be vaccinated. The generation after mine likely heard less. And people forgot, forgot what it was like, forgot when the old folks had the superstition "Bright Christmas; fat graveyard" because deaths due to illness were much more common then than now.

They've also failed to notice what happens in every school from the moment it starts: waves of illness from colds to intestinal ailments to influenza to strep. Easily passed along in the close confines of classrooms and playgrounds. It's why college students in state schools are often required to have meningitis vaccinations. That was a big reason state schools required vaccinations in the first place.

This is an example of how it used to be: One afternoon, when my mother was a little girl, she fell ill, and when the doctor saw her, he said "I already know what it is. [Name forgotten] is in her class and he's come down with measles." Sure enough, it was measles, and every student in that class contracted it. Vaccinations ended such. Without vaccinations, that's going to return.
 
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Florida isn't ending vaccination. They're ending vaccination mandates. I guess the people making these apoplectic predictions must believe that the majority of people are vaccinating their children simply because they MUST.
Even though, while growing up, I didn't know of anyone who opposed vaccinations, that schools had a mandate that such and such vaccinations must be done by such and such grade meant some were dragging their feet or never got around to it. In our current age, several generations removed from graveyards with little graves, I doubt some really grasp the importance.
 
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I thought the GOP claimed to be concerned about the lives of children?
An observation comes to mind about a certain political party that supports abortion on demand and puberty blockers for those who are born. That would likely get me banned. This might, anyway. Probably make some here happy.

Be that as it may, there's this mistaken idea of vaccines causing more harm than good. Those who believe that are concerned about the wellbeing of children, just they're terribly mistaken.
 
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Your comment lacks context. Many European countries don't have mandatory vaccination policies because most people get vaccinated out of a sense of trust in the institutions (where healthcare is often free at the point of service), a sense of social duty, and not because they reject the logic of vaccination.
Would any Europeans here care to comment on this?
 
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Your comment lacks context. Many European countries don't have mandatory vaccination policies because most people get vaccinated out of a sense of trust in the institutions (where healthcare is often free at the point of service), a sense of social duty, and not because they reject the logic of vaccination.

You're correct.

Do you think the way to build trust in people skeptical of vaccines is to force them to vaccinate their children?
 
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