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You might have been able to easily overpower her, but what about the dozens of other people behind her smashing through the doors? What would they have done when you tackled her? Would you have been able to overpower them too?
Three investigations into the shooting conducted by the U.S. Department of Justice, the U.S. Capitol Police, and the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department found that the conditions for the use of deadly force were met.
Could he have? He was quite some distance behind her, as I recall.
They weren't awarded a settlement. The Justice Department (at the direction of Trump) offered her family a $5 million settlement and they accepted.
Rock one. You say that depends on how you define traitor. I guess it does. And considering the constitution you mention. It not only mentions protecting your nation from the outside when taking the oath . But also mentions protecting it from enemies within. And that can equally refer to government and not just the people. Were these people really traitors. If so they would have come fully loaded but no guns were ever fired from the protesters. It was a protest that spiraled out of control and became a spontaneous wildfire due to the highly charged election controversy’s from the 2020 election. Most were there to vent their protest and certainly not to betray their country and certainly not Ashley. I do think a wise president could have healed a great divide within in your nation. Instead the opposite prevailed for the next 4 years. And that of incarcerating many people in jail as traitors. A majority of who were merely guilty of a trespassing fine. Nothing more as I said in my first post. A majority of those protesters were never traitors.
Considering the lack of any actual enemies within, I don't find this argument convincing. People who are tricked or mislead into traitorous actions are still traitors. We have to accept some level of personal responsibility for our actions.
Being a traitor does not require violence or "coming fully loaded." Though it should be noted that some people did so (see those charged with seditious conspiracy, or the guy who was walking around in body armor with a supply of restraints).
I agree with that.
Her actions would belie that assertion.
Might I suggest avoiding right-wing characterizations of the events? About 1600 people were charged (of about 10,000 who trespassed on the Capitol grounds). Of those, around 500 were sentenced to prison time, with the majority getting a couple months at most. None were charged with treason - they were jailed for federal crimes including assaulting police officers, trespassing, obstructing an official proceeding, and, in about a half a dozen cases, seditious conspiracy. The longest sentences went to people convicted of violent felonies and those convicted of seditious conspiracy.
I agree - and that's what the majority of those who were charged (who weren't even a majority of those present) received. Misdemeanor convictions with a sentence of a fine, community service, or home confinement.
Which misses the entire point. God loves us so much that God the Son died on the cross for us while we were still His enemies. If the One we call our Master loves us, and from the cross forgave those who crucified him, how then can we do otherwise toward others? Who they are doesn't matter, and for us that can sometimes be a hard thing, but it didn't matter to God, so how can we let that matter to us?
No, go ahead and name-drop me. It's not the first time I've said that about her here. Having taken a similar oath and still serving in the reserves, I have very little respect (none) for those who betray their oaths to protect their country like she did.
Yeah and Chauvin could have got off of Floyd’s neck a lot sooner. These things happen.
I'm not seeing how Chauvin would have felt threatened for himself or for the public after about a minute of the neck thing on a subdued man, esp with other officers there.
AS they literally breaking windows to get where they wanted to go, yeah they were.
So to show God's love that day, the officers should have let a mob continue to commit crimes? Remember that 100 officers were hurt that day.
That’s a rare take on the right. Is that what you thought at the time too, totally unjustified use of force? That’s odd. Most on the right were saying Floyd’s actions and his actions alone along with a combination of his weight and past drug use are what contributed to his death.
I meant more in terms of what our friends on the right have excused in the past for use of force. I agree the situations are different and lend themselves more in Byrd’s favor given he wasn’t only protecting himself but also the whole of our national congress.
