A very hungry newborn planet. European Southern Observatory Picture of the Week

AV1611VET · Tuesday at 3:00 PM

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Not even remotely the same thing in the slightest, AV. Not remotely the same.

Just over four months, and it's been disseminated to the general population.

Four months.

Nebraska Man was studied for five years before it was mislabeled and made public.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Tuesday at 3:05 PM

AV1611VET said:
Just over four months, and it's been disseminated to the general population.

Four months.

Nebraska Man was studied for five years before it was mislabeled and made public.

You are just accusing them of fraud, aren't you?

AV1611VET · Tuesday at 3:09 PM

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
You are just accusing them of fraud, aren't you?

I said "no."

If anything, they're mistaken.

There's probably a thousand ways that photograph can be interpreted.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Tuesday at 3:15 PM

AV1611VET said:
I said "no."

But you are though.

AV1611VET said:
If anything, they're mistaken.

There's probably a thousand ways that photograph can be interpreted.

And there is absolutely zero legitimacy for you to say that. You are not an astronomer nor a scientist, amateur or otherwise, so you have absolutely zero basis or legitimacy for saying that "There's probably a thousand ways that photograph can be interpreted."

The scientists who took that photograph and studied it know what they are talking. You do not.

AV1611VET · Tuesday at 3:23 PM

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
But you are though.

Are not.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
And there is absolutely zero legitimacy for you to say that.

Really?

From AI Overview:

Many terms and classifications in astronomy are misleading or inaccurate due to historical misnomers, evolving scientific understanding, or classification errors. This can also include recent errors, like misclassifying a spacecraft as a celestial object.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
You are not an astronomer nor a scientist, amateur or otherwise, so you have absolutely zero basis or legitimacy for saying that "There's probably a thousand ways that photograph can be interpreted."

The scientists who took that photograph and studied it know what they are talking. You do not.

Don't forget, planetary scientists were excluded from a certain vote taken some ten years ago.

(And, no -- for the third time, I'm not insinuating this news is rigged.)

Warden_of_the_Storm · Tuesday at 3:26 PM

AV1611VET said:
Are not.

That's how it reads to me since you're bringing something that your camp repeatedly calls a fraud. So it walks like a duck....

AV1611VET said:
Really?

Yes, there is zero legitimacy for you to make that comment because you know nothing about what you're arguing against.

AV1611VET said:
Don't forget, planetary scientists were excluded from a vote taken some ten years ago.

(And, no -- for the third time, I'm not insinuating this news is rigged.)

Your obsessive compulsive need to bring up Pluto to a near religiously fanatic degree is once again noted and discarded.

And yes, making the question of "How much time elapsed from the time that photo was taken, to when it was disseminated to the public, along with a description of what it is and what it's been doing?" does HEAVILY sound like an insinuation from you that the news is rigged. Because if you don't believe it is, why bring it up?

AV1611VET · Tuesday at 3:29 PM

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
And yes, making the question of "How much time elapsed from the time that photo was taken, to when it was disseminated to the public, along with a description of what it is and what it's been doing?" does HEAVILY sound like an insinuation from you that the news is rigged. Because if you don't believe it is, why bring it up?

Do you know the difference between "rigged" and "premature"?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Tuesday at 3:34 PM

AV1611VET said:
Do you know the difference between "rigged" and "premature"?

In your world, I imagine they mean the same thing.

Do you not think four months is more than enough time for the scientists who took the photo to study it and ascertain what it is they saw, when they know exactly what they're looking for and looking at?

AV1611VET · Tuesday at 3:39 PM

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
In your world, I imagine they mean the same thing.

Interesting that you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Do you not think four months is more than enough time for the scientists who took the photo to study it and ascertain what it is they saw, when they know exactly what they're looking for and looking at?

I have NO IDEA whatsoever.

I don't know what they've done (or are doing) behind closed doors.

But until then, you want me to give them the benefit of a doubt, and I'm not going to.

And that's because I know what's coming:

Some more propaganda about "millions of years ago ..."

Warden_of_the_Storm · Tuesday at 3:43 PM

AV1611VET said:
I have NO IDEA whatsoever.

Then maybe you should keep quiet about things you don't know about. It'll wonders for you.

AV1611VET said:
I don't know what they've done (or are doing) behind closed doors.

See, when you use the phrase 'behind closed doors', it really brings into question any sincerity you have about anything.

AV1611VET said:
But until then, you want me to give them the benefit of a doubt, and I'm not going to.

And that's because I know what's coming:

Some more propaganda about "millions of years ago ..."

And no-one in the wider scientific community gives a toss about your myopic interpretation of the Bible, be they atheist or Christian.

AV1611VET · Tuesday at 3:48 PM

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
And no-one in the wider scientific community gives a toss about your myopic interpretation of the Bible, be they atheist or Christian.

Then why are we having this conversation about something I'm allow to voice my opinion on?

Especially ... lol ... in a thread titled:

European Southern Observatory Picture of the Week

Then starts out:

This image, taken with ESO’s Very Large Telescope (VLT) in Chile,

:doh:

Warden_of_the_Storm · Tuesday at 3:52 PM

AV1611VET said:
Then why are we having this conversation about something I'm allow to voice my opinion on?

You're the one who felt the need to ask a foolish question when the information you want is directly at your fingertips.

AV1611VET said:
Especially ... lol ... in a thread titled:

European Southern Observatory Picture of the Week

Then starts out:

This image, taken with ESO’s Very Large Telescope (VLT) in Chile,

Because the group is headquartered in Europe, Germany to be precise, and it has its observatories in Chile because Chile has a lot of nice open deserts with a clear and unpolluted view of the sky.

Again: the information you want is directly at your fingertips.

Unqualified · Tuesday at 3:54 PM

They always claim perfection after they make a mistake science does. They want the public’s trust and no worldly scientist is trustworthy. And you also are clearing out all recognition of God to make yourself infallible like the pope who is hard to believe. Behind closed doors is biblical and applies to all unsaved men. Anything but God’ could take many forms of expression including illegal, immoral , evil, lying. Not uncommon in today world.

AV1611VET · Tuesday at 3:56 PM

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
You're the one who felt the need to ask a foolish question when the information you want is directly at your fingertips.

LOL

You have a penchant for doing the same things you accuse me of.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Because the group is headquartered in Europe, Germany to be precise, and it has its observatories in Chile because Chile has a lot of nice open deserts with a clear and unpolluted view of the sky.

Woulda been nice if they had explained that, wouldn't it?

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Again: the information you want is directly at your fingertips.

Remember that, the next time you say I'm a YEC.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Tuesday at 3:58 PM

Unqualified said:
They always claim perfection after they make a mistake science does. They want the public’s trust and no worldly scientist is trustworthy. And you also are clearing out all recognition of God to make yourself infallible like the pope who is hard to believe. Behind closed doors is biblical and applies to all unsaved men. Anything but God’ could take many forms of expression including illegal, immoral , evil, lying. Not uncommon in today world.

... well, none of that's true in the slightest.

Proverbs 10:18 - The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.

(Granted, this is libel since it's written, not slander. But six of one, half a dozen of the other)

Warden_of_the_Storm · Tuesday at 3:59 PM

AV1611VET said:
LOL

You have a penchant for doing the same things you accuse me of.

If you say so.

AV1611VET said:
Woulda been nice if they had explained that, wouldn't it?

Their website does have an 'about us' page, and you could have looked for the information yourself using your precious AI Overview.

AV1611VET said:
Remember that, the next time you say I'm a YEC.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... I'm not going to call it an eagle.

AV1611VET · Tuesday at 4:00 PM

Unqualified said:
They always claim perfection after they make a mistake science does. They want the public’s trust and no worldly scientist is trustworthy. And you also are clearing out all recognition of God to make yourself infallible like the pope who is hard to believe. Behind closed doors is biblical and applies to all unsaved men. Anything but God’ could take many forms of expression including illegal, immoral , evil, lying. Not uncommon in today world.

A lot of this stems from a principle that's called: publish or perish.

Unqualified · Tuesday at 4:13 PM

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
... well, none of that's true in the slightest.

Proverbs 10:18 - The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.

(Granted, this is libel since it's written, not slander. But six of one, half a dozen of the other)

In your close minded world view. Are you an xpert in the law? Why does nobody follow it. You Pooh Pooh me but I know what I’m talking about from a biblical perspective. Against such things there is no law. To call out one of our brothers who doesn’t speak the truth and sounds controlled by Satan. You won’t get your way forever. We have time on our side. Haven’t you heard Elon musk say we won’t make it fifteen years then where will all this money you’ve spent on telescopes and population control and education be. Did your mom grow you up to be dishonest. Where is God with you anyway?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Tuesday at 4:19 PM

Unqualified said:
I your close minded world view. Are you an xpert in the law? Why does nobody follow it. You Pooh Pooh me but I know what I’m talking about from a biblical perspective. Against such things there is no law. To call out one of our brothers who doesn’t speak the truth and sounds controlled by Satan. You won’t get your way forever. We have time on our side. Haven’t you heard Elon musk say we won’t make it fifteen years then where will all this money you’ve spent on telescopes and population control and education be. Did your mom grow you up to be dishonest. Where is God with you anyway?

Yeah... you're still committing libel when you type things out on the internet which are not true about the people you're talking about.

dlamberth · Tuesday at 4:24 PM

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
But to answer your question, the discovery was made on both April 13th and April 16th of this year, as stated in this paper. You don't have to read the whole thing: the second sentence of the abstract says it.

Thanks for the link. They were very thorough in determining that this is a new born planet. The paper is very detailed.

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