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Does man have a freewill ?
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Please explain how the elect when dead in sin are objects of His Wrath and Rich Mercy at the same time ? a person is either a vessel of wrath or a vessel of mercy. Eph 2:4
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Do you deny God was rich in mercy towards them in Eph 2:3
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No it doesnt. Where do you see the words Children under Gods wrath ?
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Heb 4:4 is talking about the future the millennium period, when Jesus makes his second coming. But let's take a look in the future concerning the Sabbath in Isaiah 56: 1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
God intended for the weekly Sabbath (this word means rest in Hebrew) to be a refreshing blessing for mankind. God knew that human beings would need periodic rest and change from work. But the purpose for keeping God's Sabbath goes far beyond simply resting on that day.
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You Don't see it so you are adding to the scripture and God is actually merciful towards them while ungodly and not Having wrath on them!
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Yeah, under Gods wrath is nowhere in the verse Eph 2:3 duh and Eph 2:4 states that when children of wrath by nature, the elect were objects of Gods Mercy, Rich Mercy at that Eph 2:3-4
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Its not like you pay so much attention to the bible, adding your own words
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Yes, we have freewill. We can choose to not steal,murder or covet. We can choose to see God in His creation. We can choose to be better people. We can choose to sin less......But by God, we can never choose His Gospel for salvation. GOD FORBID. All else is open to choice, but His Gospel is for the special lottery winners.
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The whole question about free-will and predestination has little practical implication on how we live and serve Christ. The problem with free-will is pride in taking credit for one’s choices. The problem with predestination is diminished responsibility. Both are true and can be supported with Scripture, but our little minds can’t figure out how it works. This drives us back to living our lives according to the leading of the Holy Spirit and Scripture with a good dash of common sense. If only free-will is true, we can earn our salvation, which is false. If predestination is only true, why should we evangelize? There is also the problem of thinking that God can’t handle the millions of decisions we make and still bring us to where He wants us to be.
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