Does man have a freewill ?

[Clare73]

The elect whom Christ died for are never objects of His wrath, thats not what Eph 2:3 says.

That is precisely what Eph 2:3 states.

 

[Brightfame52]

If it doesn't make sense to you, simply discard it ...

Okay no problem

 

[Brightfame52]

There is no salvation in time until one is born again in time.

Please explain how the elect when dead in sin are objects of His Wrath and Rich Mercy at the same time ? a person is either a vessel of wrath or a vessel of mercy. Eph 2:4

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Do you deny God was rich in mercy towards them in Eph 2:3

 

[Brightfame52]

That is precisely what Eph 2:3 states.

No it doesnt. Where do you see the words Children under Gods wrath ?

 

[Clare73]

Please explain how the elect when dead in sin are objects of His Wrath and Rich Mercy at the same time ?

Don't confuse the temporal with the eternal.

 

[Clare73]

No it doesnt. Where do you see the words Children under Gods wrath ?

Where do you see them exempt?

 

[Bro.T]

But there was the coming of Christ, our full-time Sabbath rest (of which it was the type, Heb 4:4), from our own work to save and in his work which saves to the uttermost.

Heb 4:4 is talking about the future the millennium period, when Jesus makes his second coming. But let's take a look in the future concerning the Sabbath in Isaiah 56: 1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

God intended for the weekly Sabbath (this word means rest in Hebrew) to be a refreshing blessing for mankind. God knew that human beings would need periodic rest and change from work. But the purpose for keeping God's Sabbath goes far beyond simply resting on that day.

 

[Brightfame52]

Don't confuse the temporal with the eternal.

That's not a good explanation

 

[Brightfame52]

Where do you see them exempt?

You Don't see it so you are adding to the scripture and God is actually merciful towards them while ungodly and not Having wrath on them!

 

[Clare73]

Heb 4:4 is talking about the future the millennium period,

I don't take my doctrine from prophetic riddles (Nu 12:6-8) regarding the "millennium."

 

[Clare73]

You Don't see it so you are adding to the scripture and God is actually merciful towards them while ungodly and not Having wrath on them!

So you have no Biblical basis for your opinion. . .

 

[Brightfame52]

So you have no Biblical basis for your opinion. . .

Yeah, under Gods wrath is nowhere in the verse Eph 2:3 duh and Eph 2:4 states that when children of wrath by nature, the elect were objects of Gods Mercy, Rich Mercy at that Eph 2:3-4

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Its not like you pay so much attention to the bible, adding your own words

 

[Bro.T]

I don't take my doctrine from prophetic riddles (Nu 12:6-8) regarding the "millennium."

not sure what that means, but peace in Jesus name