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Darwinian evolution - still a theory in crisis.

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Many times scientists make it sound as if these are facts and not theories.
That is YOU not understanding. You not being able to grasp scientific concepts is YOUR failing; no one else's.
 
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While evolution is supported by substantial evidence, certain aspects, particularly regarding the origin of life and specific evolutionary mechanisms, remain unproven or not fully understood. Ongoing research continues to explore these areas.
A statement that nearly all biologists would agree with, and one that does absolutely nothing to support your rejection of macroevolution.
Microevolution yes; macroevolution a joke
Just to be clear: you obviously know next to nothing about macroevolution, the evidence for it, and why the vast majority of scientists accept it. But you're still sure that it's a joke.

It's a lot easier to make up stories about what the world is like if you aren't willing to open your eyes and look at it.
 
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Isn't it obvious - macroevolution, the theory of evolution, darwinism.
You still refuse to post an actual real world example.

Alot of scientist put a fit up when schools teach, in addition to evolution, alternate thoughts on the origin of life.
I would ask you to post an actual example but your track record indicates you won't.

If the theory of evolution were absolute fact
Seriously? You actually think scientific theories become absolute fact? FYI this sort of ignorance is why so many different people here have been practically begging you to go learn some basic science.

then we wouldn't have to say there are alternate thoughts on the origin of life but evolution is just a theory (though many scientists defend it like it's the gospel truth on everything.

Plus alot of thoughts on many space topics - dark matter, the galaxy at the furtherest reaches of the universe, dark energy, black holes. Many times scientists make it sound as if these are facts and not theories.
As long as you keep refusing to post any real world examples I see no reason to take anything you post seriously.
 
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I have to say this video is a joke and very simplistic and if this is how bio chemists, biologists, paleontologists and evolutionist view evolution...
Make up your mind already? Do you want to be spoon fed the children's version or learn how scientists actually view evolution? I'll happily provide any number of technical papers if you want to see how scientists actually study evolution.
 
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That is YOU not understanding. You not being able to grasp scientific concepts is YOUR failing; no one else's.
I saw a term that was new to me late last year that I can't help but think of when interacting with creationists: motivated ignorance.

It explains a lot IMO.
 
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Make up your mind already? Do you want to be spoon fed the children's version or learn how scientists actually view evolution? I'll happily provide any number of technical papers if you want to see how scientists actually study evolution.
Earlier he was complaining that scientists don't dumb it all down and now he's complaining about the dumbed-down material?

Gee, it's almost like he's just making up ad hoc excuses to not have to learn anything. :rolleyes:
 
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Why would that matter? The predicted transitionals were there, where evolutionary theory predicted they would be.

Even I don't get why AV uses "After how many tries?" as gotcha response. I think he just feels that because science is honest about it not being absolute and that it can get things wrong and thus learns from itself is a failing in of itself.
 
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Microevolution yes; macroevolution a joke
Perhaps you don't know what "macroevolution" is. We have directly observed instances of macroevolution.

Macroevolution

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noun, plural: macroevolutions
Evolution happening on a large scale, e.g. at or above the level of a species, over geologic time resulting in the divergence of taxonomic groups.
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Macroevolution involves variation of allele frequencies at or above the level of a species, where an allele is a specific iteration of a given gene. It is an area of study concerned with variation in frequencies of alleles that are shared between species and with speciation events, and also includes extinction. It is contrasted with microevolution, which is mainly concerned with the small-scale patterns of evolution within a species or population.

 
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Even I don't get why AV uses "After how many tries?" as gotcha response.

Because between those tries, it's back to the drawing board to readjust their search options until they get it right.

Then they make it sound as if it was a prediction of evolution that led them to it.

What was that animal scientists swore went extinct, until they* "discovered" it?

Didn't they make it sound like it was discovered through conventional evolution models, when in truth, the Inuit (?) Indians were talking about them all the time?

Even eating them for breakfast?

That's probably where they got that information.

From the Indians, not the laboratory.

* :rolleyes:
 
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Only on paper.
They lied to you about that...


An interesting one, by autopolyploidy:

 
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Because between those tries, it's back to the drawing board to readjust their search options until they get it right.

Then they make it sound as if it was a prediction of evolution that led them to it.

Buddy, you're describing trial and error, which is a foundational thing in anything that requites intelligence. Why is that a bad thing?

What was that animal scientists swore went extinct, until they* "discovered" it?

Didn't they make it sound like it was discovered through conventional evolution models, when in truth, the Inuit (?) Indians were talking about them all the time?

Even eating them for breakfast?

That's probably where they got that information.

From the Indians, not the laboratory.

* :rolleyes:

This one genuinely has me stumped because I've not got a clue what you could be talking about and I've never heard of anything considered extinct in the wild being rediscovered by Inuits. I imagine it's some sort of seal.
 
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They lied to you about that...

Not hardly.

Now they call it "speciation" -- which is about as vague as translucent glass.

Macroevolution is one genus to another.

And before you say anything -- yes, I know, you guys define "genus" as anything but "kind."

Then when someone gives a clear-cut definition of "kind," using the Online Etymology Dictionary and a host of online dictionaries, it gets naysaid.

And it gets naysaid so they can win arguments against creationists.
 
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Buddy, you're describing trial and error, which is a foundational thing in anything that requites intelligence. Why is that a bad thing?

It's what goes on between those trials and errors that I find disingenuous.

This one genuinely has me stumped because I've not got a clue what you could be talking about and I've never heard of anything considered extinct in the wild being rediscovered by Inuits. I imagine it's some sort of seal.

I had to look it up myself.

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It's what goes on between those trials and errors that I find disingenuous.

An example of which is...?

I had to look it up myself.

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Speaking of disingenuous... not one single Inuit person went "Oh yeah, turns out this thing isn't extinct" which is how you phrased your entire spiel and made it sound. Your own quoted source says: "The name Tiktaalik is an Inuktitut word meaning "burbot", a freshwater fish related to true cod. The "fishapod" genus received this name after a suggestion by Inuit elders of Canada's Nunavut Territory, where the fossil was discovered."
They gave the Tiktaalik the name after they got the idea from Inuit elders.

THAT'S ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TO WHAT YOU MADE IT OUT TO BE.
 
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This one genuinely has me stumped because I've not got a clue what you could be talking about and I've never heard of anything considered extinct in the wild being rediscovered by Inuits. I imagine it's some sort of seal.
If it is any consolation he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about either.
I fail to understand why you and other posters even bother to respond.
 
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Then they make it sound as if it was a prediction of evolution that led them to it.
Yes, that's what happened. Scientists predicted that tetrapods evolved in the Devonian, and therefore there should be transitional fish/tetrapod fossils in Devonian strata. Paleontologists went to see, and found numerous transitional species there.

What was that animal scientists swore went extinct, until they* "discovered" it?
Omiltemi cottontail rabbit Silvilagus insonus , for example. Lots of animals become so rare as to be missing over years, and are later discovered to still exist. Don't think any biologists swore about it, though. There's quite a list of such species. Would you like to learn about more of them?

A lot of YECs erroneously cite coelacanths, but no species from the fossil record is alive today. There are two genera of coelacanths that are deep ocean species which are quite evolved from the freshwater species that lived many millions of years ago.
 
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If it is any consolation he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about either.
I fail to understand why you and other posters even bother to respond.

No, it turns out he didn't have a clue what he was talking about, and I have no shame on saying that openly.

Saying "Didn't they make it sound like it was discovered through conventional evolution models, when in truth, the Inuit (?) Indians were talking about them all the time?

Even eating them for breakfast?"

Was entirely disingenuous on his part because it blatantly makes it sound like the animal in question was still alive when paleontologists claimed to have discovered it (in his world), when in fact the entire process was basically they did discover the fossil, and as they wanted a name for it, the native Inuit groups went and asked if they could call it this particular name.
The name in question.... Tiktaalik, which is an Inuktitut word meaning "burbot", a freshwater fish related to true cod.
 
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Yes, that's what happened. Scientists predicted that tetrapods evolved in the Devonian, and therefore there should be transitional fish/tetrapod fossils in Devonian strata. Paleontologists went to see, and found numerous transitional species there.


Omiltemi cottontail rabbit Silvilagus insonus , for example. Lots of animals become so rare as to be missing over years, and are later discovered to still exist. Don't think any biologists swore about it, though. There's quite a list of such species. Would you like to learn about more of them?

A lot of YECs erroneously cite coelacanths, but no species from the fossil record is alive today. There are two genera of coelacanths that are deep ocean species which are quite evolved from the freshwater species that lived many millions of years ago.

He's talking about Tiktaalik in that last example, which is an Inuktitut word meaning "burbot", a freshwater fish related to true cod. Which in his mind means that the Inuit people were going around eating the Devonian creatures for their meals in the modern day.
 
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