6,000 Years?

Job 33:6 · Jul 26, 2025

Amo2 said:
Adam and Eve were removed from the garden before they had children. It was guarded by Cherubim's to prevent anyone from entering. Nor are you aware either, of the following scripture, which completely contradicts what you are trying to say scripture reveals.

Ha, this guy is confused about the difference between Eden, and the garden of Eden.

Good job.

Again, just read the Bible:

Genesis 4:1-2 ESV
[1] Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.” [2] And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a worker of the ground.

Genesis 4:14-17, 25 ESV
[14] Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground, and from your face I shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” [15] Then the Lord said to him, “Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the Lord put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him. [16] Then Cain went away from the presence of the Lord and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. [17] Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.

[25] And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”

Genesis 5:4 ESV
[3] When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. [4] The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.

Only YECs read the text backwards and try to retroactively imagine Cain marrying his sister. It's completely dishonest. Other sons and daughters aren't mentioned until chapter 5, additionally noted as being "after he fathered Seth" and additionally after Eve highlights Seth as a replacement for Abel. All of this happens after Cain is exiled and finds a wife.

And remember, Genesis 1 doesn't say "God created Adam and Eve, male and female he created them" it says, "God created Humanity, or Mankind" sometimes just translated as "Man". But Adam and Eve are never singled out as the only people created in chapter 1.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be putting you on the "extremist YECs" ignore list. All the best.

trophy33 · Sunday at 12:40 AM

Amo2 said:
I care nothing for the numbers game. The vast majority have always been deceived. Nor do numbers or a lack of them = truth to any degree. Keep your respect or considerations, which YEC's no doubt are not very concerned about. If you think YEC's have no observed factual science upon which they establishes their theories, you are simply ignorant.

Well, I do care for the numbers game if you claim things like "that human history is older than 6,000 years is highly contested". It is not contested at all. Maybe in some religious cults and sects, but that is not relevant.

There are about 181,586 members of Seventh Day Adventists in Europe.
Europe has about 733 million people, which makes Adventists to be about 0.025%

Similar percentage also in Asia, about 0.024%

But in the USA, the percentage of the Seventh Day Adventists is 0.38%. That is 15x more. And they also got disproportionally influential in the USA, historically, because of inventions like breakfast cereals, institutions, sanatoriums, lecturing people throughout the country etc. They had similar success nowhere else in the world. Also, the US-based YEC websites became somehow disproportionally famous, among the US audience. But if you asked a Dutch, an Italian, a Chinese, a Swede, a Japanese... what is AiG, they would have no idea.

Therefore, you live in a specific bubble and your perception of reality seems to be distorted by it. Are you even a Seventh Day Adventist yourself?

tailgator · Sunday at 5:09 AM

FaithT said:
Does anybody have proof that the earth and the entire universe really is 6,000 - ish years old beyond the usual arguments that science has debunked over and over again? Arguments like the rocks in the Grand Canyon or some other such weak examples? I’m looking for reputable scientists who’ve written peer reviewed papers on the subject and gained the support of other reputable scientists?

The genesis account was about the future,not the past.
After 6000 years is accomplished.Our Lord shall rest from his work.We have a few more years till the Lord is comes and the1000 year sabbath begins.Thos is the same 1000 years mentioned in revelation 20.

You've probably heard a day is 1000 years.Its true.

Luke 13:32
He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.’

Dan1988 · Sunday at 6:14 AM

tailgator said:
The genesis account was about the future,not the past.
After 6000 years is accomplished.Our Lord shall rest from his work.We have a few more years till the Lord is comes and the1000 year sabbath begins.Thos is the same 1000 years mentioned in revelation 20.

You've probably heard a day is 1000 years.Its true.

Luke 13:32
He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.’

The bible doesn't support your view at all. The Genesis account makes it clear that creation was completed on the sixth day, and not a single atom has been added to His creation in the past 6000 years.

For you hypothesis to have any credibility, you would need to identify at least one object or creature, which was created in the past 6000 years.

I can save you the search and confirm that no such thing exists. Gods Word confirms that "there's nothing new under the sun, all things are as they have always been from the begging. So you're up against a pretty formidable opponent with that theory.

Platte · Sunday at 6:56 AM

trophy33 said:
1. You are missing that Genesis describes Adam to be "hand-made", while all other animals were supposed to be produced by waters or by land.

2. You are missing that when we look at the history of life in the ground, we see organisms getting gradually from simple to complex ones.

God formed Adam from the dust of the earth and God formed animals from the dust of the earth. They were created the same way. Nothing unusual about God creating Adam as a functional adult. Same with animals and trees.

Platte · Sunday at 7:06 AM

trophy33 said:
Amo2 said:

As far as history going back further than 6000 years, this subject is highly contested and contestable as well.

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Nonsense, it is not being contested at all. Do not think that some YEC websites have any influence on real science.

Recorded History only goes back 5500 years.

trophy33 · Sunday at 7:33 AM

Platte said:
Recorded History only goes back 5500 years.

But it is not contesting the history of humanity in any way. Dinosaurs did not write anything, but existed. And humanity is also much older than 5500 years.

trophy33 · Sunday at 7:37 AM

Platte said:
God formed Adam from the dust of the earth and God formed animals from the dust of the earth. They were created the same way. Nothing unusual about God creating Adam as a functional adult. Same with animals and trees.

Depends on what version you prefer. Whether Genesis 1, in which the land produced animals or Genesis 2, in which God was making them by hand.

Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
Gen 1:24

Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky.
Gen 2:19

Platte · Sunday at 11:44 AM

trophy33 said:
But it is not contesting the history of humanity in any way. Dinosaurs did not write anything, but existed. And humanity is also much older than 5500 years.

Any human history not recorded is highly contesable

trophy33 · Sunday at 12:17 PM

Platte said:
Any human history not recorded is highly contesable

You can repeat it as many times as you want, but it is not so. In many times the writings are less reliable than actual archaeological findings. You can write anything you like. Or nothing.

FaithT · Sunday at 3:37 PM

trophy33 said:
You can repeat it as many times as you want, but it is not so. In many times the writings are less reliable than actual archaeological findings. You can write anything you like. Or nothing.

I trust what people have left behind in archaeology to teach us what God wants us to learn.

Platte · Monday at 6:48 AM

trophy33 said:
You can repeat it as many times as you want, but it is not so. In many times the writings are less reliable than actual archaeological findings. You can write anything you like. Or nothing.

It would be extremely rare for an archaeological finding to be more reliable than the recorded history aligned with it.

Platte · Monday at 6:51 AM

FaithT said:
I trust what people have left behind in archaeology to teach us what God wants us to learn.

Archaeology conclusions are subjective.

The Barbarian · Monday at 8:40 PM

Ivan Hlavanda said:
Adam was created on the 6th day, and he lived for 930 years. From there we can calculate the world is around 6,000 years old. Christians need to stick to the Word of God over what sinful man teaches.

So the men teaching that particular interpretation of Genesis are not sinful?

It's important to remember that none of us speaks for God.

Platte · Tuesday at 3:38 PM

The Barbarian said:
So the men teaching that particular interpretation of Genesis are not sinful?

It's important to remember that none of us speaks for God.

I believe his (@Ivan Hlavanda ) point was conforming your Biblical view based on non-Biblical opinions and theories is not cool

The Barbarian · Tuesday at 6:34 PM

Platte said:
I believe his (@Ivan Hlavanda ) point was conforming your Biblical view based on non-Biblical opinions and theories is not cool

The point is, Ivan's revision of scripture is based on non-Biblical opinions. He's entitled to his personal interpretation, but it's not God's word.

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