6,000 Years?

[Job 33:6]

Adam and Eve were removed from the garden before they had children. It was guarded by Cherubim's to prevent anyone from entering. Nor are you aware either, of the following scripture, which completely contradicts what you are trying to say scripture reveals.

Ha, this guy is confused about the difference between Eden, and the garden of Eden.

Good job.

Again, just read the Bible:

Genesis 4:1-2 ESV
[1] Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.” [2] And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a worker of the ground.


Genesis 4:14-17, 25 ESV
[14] Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground, and from your face I shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” [15] Then the Lord said to him, “Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the Lord put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him. [16] Then Cain went away from the presence of the Lord and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. [17] Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.

[25] And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”

Genesis 5:4 ESV
[3] When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. [4] The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.

Only YECs read the text backwards and try to retroactively imagine Cain marrying his sister. It's completely dishonest. Other sons and daughters aren't mentioned until chapter 5, additionally noted as being "after he fathered Seth" and additionally after Eve highlights Seth as a replacement for Abel. All of this happens after Cain is exiled and finds a wife.

And remember, Genesis 1 doesn't say "God created Adam and Eve, male and female he created them" it says, "God created Humanity, or Mankind" sometimes just translated as "Man". But Adam and Eve are never singled out as the only people created in chapter 1.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be putting you on the "extremist YECs" ignore list. All the best.

 

[trophy33]

I care nothing for the numbers game. The vast majority have always been deceived. Nor do numbers or a lack of them = truth to any degree. Keep your respect or considerations, which YEC's no doubt are not very concerned about. If you think YEC's have no observed factual science upon which they establishes their theories, you are simply ignorant.

Well, I do care for the numbers game if you claim things like "that human history is older than 6,000 years is highly contested". It is not contested at all. Maybe in some religious cults and sects, but that is not relevant.

There are about 181,586 members of Seventh Day Adventists in Europe.
Europe has about 733 million people, which makes Adventists to be about 0.025%

Similar percentage also in Asia, about 0.024%

But in the USA, the percentage of the Seventh Day Adventists is 0.38%. That is 15x more. And they also got disproportionally influential in the USA, historically, because of inventions like breakfast cereals, institutions, sanatoriums, lecturing people throughout the country etc. They had similar success nowhere else in the world. Also, the US-based YEC websites became somehow disproportionally famous, among the US audience. But if you asked a Dutch, an Italian, a Chinese, a Swede, a Japanese... what is AiG, they would have no idea.

Therefore, you live in a specific bubble and your perception of reality seems to be distorted by it. Are you even a Seventh Day Adventist yourself?

 

[tailgator]

Does anybody have proof that the earth and the entire universe really is 6,000 - ish years old beyond the usual arguments that science has debunked over and over again? Arguments like the rocks in the Grand Canyon or some other such weak examples? I’m looking for reputable scientists who’ve written peer reviewed papers on the subject and gained the support of other reputable scientists?

The genesis account was about the future,not the past.
After 6000 years is accomplished.Our Lord shall rest from his work.We have a few more years till the Lord is comes and the1000 year sabbath begins.Thos is the same 1000 years mentioned in revelation 20.

You've probably heard a day is 1000 years.Its true.

Luke 13:32
He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.’

 

[Dan1988]

The genesis account was about the future,not the past.
After 6000 years is accomplished.Our Lord shall rest from his work.We have a few more years till the Lord is comes and the1000 year sabbath begins.Thos is the same 1000 years mentioned in revelation 20.

You've probably heard a day is 1000 years.Its true.

Luke 13:32
He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.’

The bible doesn't support your view at all. The Genesis account makes it clear that creation was completed on the sixth day, and not a single atom has been added to His creation in the past 6000 years.

For you hypothesis to have any credibility, you would need to identify at least one object or creature, which was created in the past 6000 years.

I can save you the search and confirm that no such thing exists. Gods Word confirms that "there's nothing new under the sun, all things are as they have always been from the begging. So you're up against a pretty formidable opponent with that theory.

 

[Platte]

1. You are missing that Genesis describes Adam to be "hand-made", while all other animals were supposed to be produced by waters or by land.

2. You are missing that when we look at the history of life in the ground, we see organisms getting gradually from simple to complex ones.

God formed Adam from the dust of the earth and God formed animals from the dust of the earth. They were created the same way. Nothing unusual about God creating Adam as a functional adult. Same with animals and trees.

 

[Platte]

As far as history going back further than 6000 years, this subject is highly contested and contestable as well.

Nonsense, it is not being contested at all. Do not think that some YEC websites have any influence on real science.

Recorded History only goes back 5500 years.

 

[trophy33]

Recorded History only goes back 5500 years.

But it is not contesting the history of humanity in any way. Dinosaurs did not write anything, but existed. And humanity is also much older than 5500 years.

 

[trophy33]

God formed Adam from the dust of the earth and God formed animals from the dust of the earth. They were created the same way. Nothing unusual about God creating Adam as a functional adult. Same with animals and trees.

Depends on what version you prefer. Whether Genesis 1, in which the land produced animals or Genesis 2, in which God was making them by hand.

Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
Gen 1:24

Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky.
Gen 2:19

 

[Platte]

But it is not contesting the history of humanity in any way. Dinosaurs did not write anything, but existed. And humanity is also much older than 5500 years.

Any human history not recorded is highly contesable

 

[trophy33]

Any human history not recorded is highly contesable

You can repeat it as many times as you want, but it is not so. In many times the writings are less reliable than actual archaeological findings. You can write anything you like. Or nothing.

 

[FaithT]

You can repeat it as many times as you want, but it is not so. In many times the writings are less reliable than actual archaeological findings. You can write anything you like. Or nothing.

I trust what people have left behind in archaeology to teach us what God wants us to learn.

 

[Platte]

You can repeat it as many times as you want, but it is not so. In many times the writings are less reliable than actual archaeological findings. You can write anything you like. Or nothing.

It would be extremely rare for an archaeological finding to be more reliable than the recorded history aligned with it.

 

[Platte]

I trust what people have left behind in archaeology to teach us what God wants us to learn.

Archaeology conclusions are subjective.

 

[The Barbarian]

Adam was created on the 6th day, and he lived for 930 years. From there we can calculate the world is around 6,000 years old. Christians need to stick to the Word of God over what sinful man teaches.

So the men teaching that particular interpretation of Genesis are not sinful?

It's important to remember that none of us speaks for God.

 

[Platte]

So the men teaching that particular interpretation of Genesis are not sinful?

It's important to remember that none of us speaks for God.

I believe his (@Ivan Hlavanda ) point was conforming your Biblical view based on non-Biblical opinions and theories is not cool

 

[The Barbarian]

I believe his (@Ivan Hlavanda ) point was conforming your Biblical view based on non-Biblical opinions and theories is not cool

The point is, Ivan's revision of scripture is based on non-Biblical opinions. He's entitled to his personal interpretation, but it's not God's word.

 

[Amo2]

While the subject of archaeology is at hand, has anyone cared to notice how the historical accuracy of the bible is continually being supported and or proved by archaeological evidence proving the existence of people, places, and events recorded in holy scripture? Such of course also lends credence to the biblical creation account as history as well. Not that deniers would acknowledge or accept such in this manner.

 

[Amo2]

The point is, Ivan's revision of scripture is based on non-Biblical opinions. He's entitled to his personal interpretation, but it's not God's word.

That the bible fully supports the idea that this earth is around six thousand years old, is not personal interpretation, it is logical conclusion regarding the testimony of all translations to date. There is no translation that I am aware of, which suggests deep time scenarios but by personal interpretations regarding what all translations simply state, to the contrary. One must personally choose to believe that the Genesis creation account is allegorical or symbolic in some manner suggestive of deep time, as neither Genesis or any other part of the scriptures anywhere, suggest any such thing.

No deep timer has any biblical input or support for their theories regarding the unobserved or observable past. All such speculative and conjectured theories are of the extra biblical origins of human imaginations.

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The commandment of the Lord is simply stated, conclusive, and directly to the point -

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Why will so many who profess Him, also worship Him in vain, teaching for truthful doctrine the wildest speculations of men in direct contradiction to the plain testimony of holy scripture?

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

The deep time theory of evolution is nothing more than a modern form intellectual idolatry. Transforming the glory of God's creation in six days as He Himself has declared, into a deep time slowly evolving and ever changing existence built upon countless mutations, miseries, deaths, extinctions, and survival of a "fittest".

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,...............................
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[The Barbarian]

That the bible fully supports the idea that this earth is around six thousand years old, is not personal interpretation, it is logical conclusion regarding the testimony of all translations to date.

As you admit, the Bible doesn't say that. Six thousand years is a personal interpretation of what it actually does say.

One must personally choose to believe that the Genesis creation account is allegorical or symbolic in some manner suggestive of deep time, as neither Genesis or any other part of the scriptures anywhere, suggest any such thing.

It merely says nothing about it. You might as well criticize the Bible for saying nothing about protons. But 6,000 years is an interpretation of scripture, not God's actual word. And since the evidence shows both an ancient Earth and protons there's no reason to deny them.

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

This only superficially describes YECs. He's not speaking of them in this passage. Fact is, He doesn't care if you like the way He did creation. That's not how you'll be judged.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I'd be open to your evidence that if scripture later refers to a figurative verse, that converts it to a literal account. What do you have?

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Again, this only superficially describes YECs. Few of them actually make an idol of YE beliefs. Again, this is not speaking of YECs exclusively, certainly not most of them. Most YECs are no less Christian than the rest of us, even if they are wrong about what God says in Genesis.

The deep time theory of evolution is nothing more than a modern form intellectual idolatry.

Again that's too harsh on YECs. The "deep time theory of evolution" is just a misconception some of them teach, without any idea of what the theory actually says. Nothing about deep time. That discovery came much later, by geologists and astronomers.

"People are usually down on things they aren't up on."
Everette Dirkson

 

[FaithT]

That the bible fully supports the idea that this earth is around six thousand years old, is not personal interpretation, it is logical conclusion regarding the testimony of all translations to date. There is no translation that I am aware of, which suggests deep time scenarios but by personal interpretations regarding what all translations simply state, to the contrary. One must personally choose to believe that the Genesis creation account is allegorical or symbolic in some manner suggestive of deep time, as neither Genesis or any other part of the scriptures anywhere, suggest any such thing.

No deep timer has any biblical input or support for their theories regarding the unobserved or observable past. All such speculative and conjectured theories are of the extra biblical origins of human imaginations.

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The commandment of the Lord is simply stated, conclusive, and directly to the point -

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Why will so many who profess Him, also worship Him in vain, teaching for truthful doctrine the wildest speculations of men in direct contradiction to the plain testimony of holy scripture?

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

The deep time theory of evolution is nothing more than a modern form intellectual idolatry. Transforming the glory of God's creation in six days as He Himself has declared, into a deep time slowly evolving and ever changing existence built upon countless mutations, miseries, deaths, extinctions, and survival of a "fittest".

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,...............................
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The geneologies are incomplete. Prove otherwise.