The 666 mark will be a tattoo

rockytopva said:

I had a friend ask if I traded in bitcoin. My reply was that I believe that an Elon Musk figure will be the Beast of Revelation, Bitcoin will be the currency, and the mark will be the credit card...

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - Revelations 13

In the near future there will be no need for credit cards or personal id. There will be a mark on the hand or forehead that people will scan. This will be the way to do business. It will just be another tattoo for many. One will be able to travel without personal identification like drivers licenses, credit cards, or passports. The ID will include the numbers 666. All you will need to do is swipe your ID and you will be good to go... But scripture says...

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: - Revelation 14

The reason why this will be a scanable tattoo is because it will be placed on the hand or forehead... A place where no hair grows to interfere with the scan.

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rockytopva said:

The Beast - Will it be robotic?

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rockytopva said:

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming may be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ's coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes...

"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton

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rockytopva said:

In the near future there will be no need for credit cards or personal id. There will be a mark on the hand or forehead that people will scan.

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ViaCrucis said:

Nero. It was most likely Nero.

Though I suppose Robo-Nero could make for a weird campy sci-fi movies. Too bad the era of campy 80's movies died with the 80's.

Also, nothing to do with tattoos, bar codes, or computers, or anything of that nature. John expected his readers to be able to understand what he was writing. If our position is that the original first century readership couldn't understand it, then we are reading it wrong.

-CryptoLutheran

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rockytopva said:

I do believe an Elon Musk type figure will figure it out...

* Create a new currency
* Create something "swipable" to access the account
* Eliminate the need to carry a billfold, credit cards, passports, drivers licensees, and those sort of things.

Every time I have heard Elon Musk get up to lecture he starts out by promoting bitcoin.

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Dave Watchman said:

So if that timing is correct, it means that a bunch of things, like your Mark of the Beast deal, has to already have just happened, and is happening now.

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2PhiloVoid said:

That's not altogether a sound conclusion, and I wouldn't put too much money on the "Neronian" interpretation.

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ViaCrucis said:

The relevant text is this:

"This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666." - Revelation 13:18

That is an invitation to the reader to discern a name based on the numerical value of 666 (six hundred and sixty-six).

A central exegetical principle requires we examine a text to understand to whom a text is addressed. In the case of the Revelation we have an answer:

"John to the seven churches that are in Asia" - Revelation 1:4

The seven churches to whom the Revelation was written are mentioned in chapters 2-3. It seems entirely sound to assume that John intended his readership to be able to discern the meaning--to discern who the person is being described in Revelation 13 even though he is written in bombastic, graphic, apocalyptic imagery as a beast rising out of the sea.

I will freely admit that one probably shouldn't hold to a Neronian interpretation as though it were dogma; but the general principle of exegesis here, that the original readership would be able to discern who is being spoken about, holds true even if it isn't a reference to Nero. I think Nero makes the most sense given the information John supplies us with. Though I also think the reference to Nero is ultimately about Roman imperial power in the late first century broadly, rather than Nero individually (Nero had been dead for decades already when John wrote the Apocalypse). But I think a clue here is in describing the beast as having suffered a mortal wound, and then being restored to life; take this with the late first century idea of the Nero Redivivus myth (the idea which many held that Nero would return), I think John is pointing to a "revival" of Nero beginning under Domitian (or possibly Trajan, if we postpone the dating of the Revelation by a few more years). That is to say, Nero represented Roman imperial power manifest as persecuting, oppressive, and tyrannical; and I think that is part of the point John is getting at. Am I subscribing to this as dogma? Well no. But I think as a theory it makes more sense than theories which ignore basic exegetical principles.

The alternative is assuming that nobody could understand what John wrote until thousands of years later. And wouldn't it be kind of arrogant of us moderns to assume we can understand what earlier generations of Christians could not? In which case, why address this to his contemporaries in Asia? I generally dislike that we are willing to disregard the most basic principles of good biblical hermeneutics and exegesis when it comes to the Revelation; as though we should respect the rest of the Bible by considering context and applying good exegesis, but when it comes to the Revelation we throw that all out of the window and enter into wild speculation mode like talking about microchips, one world governments, and playing pin the tail on the Antichrist with every famous person that has ever been born.

-CryptoLutheran

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ViaCrucis said:

The relevant text is this:

"This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666." - Revelation 13:18

That is an invitation to the reader to discern a name based on the numerical value of 666 (six hundred and sixty-six).

A central exegetical principle requires we examine a text to understand to whom a text is addressed. In the case of the Revelation we have an answer:

"John to the seven churches that are in Asia" - Revelation 1:4

The seven churches to whom the Revelation was written are mentioned in chapters 2-3. It seems entirely sound to assume that John intended his readership to be able to discern the meaning--to discern who the person is being described in Revelation 13 even though he is written in bombastic, graphic, apocalyptic imagery as a beast rising out of the sea.

I will freely admit that one probably shouldn't hold to a Neronian interpretation as though it were dogma; but the general principle of exegesis here, that the original readership would be able to discern who is being spoken about, holds true even if it isn't a reference to Nero. I think Nero makes the most sense given the information John supplies us with. Though I also think the reference to Nero is ultimately about Roman imperial power in the late first century broadly, rather than Nero individually (Nero had been dead for decades already when John wrote the Apocalypse). But I think a clue here is in describing the beast as having suffered a mortal wound, and then being restored to life; take this with the late first century idea of the Nero Redivivus myth (the idea which many held that Nero would return), I think John is pointing to a "revival" of Nero beginning under Domitian (or possibly Trajan, if we postpone the dating of the Revelation by a few more years). That is to say, Nero represented Roman imperial power manifest as persecuting, oppressive, and tyrannical; and I think that is part of the point John is getting at. Am I subscribing to this as dogma? Well no. But I think as a theory it makes more sense than theories which ignore basic exegetical principles.

The alternative is assuming that nobody could understand what John wrote until thousands of years later. And wouldn't it be kind of arrogant of us moderns to assume we can understand what earlier generations of Christians could not? In which case, why address this to his contemporaries in Asia? I generally dislike that we are willing to disregard the most basic principles of good biblical hermeneutics and exegesis when it comes to the Revelation; as though we should respect the rest of the Bible by considering context and applying good exegesis, but when it comes to the Revelation we throw that all out of the window and enter into wild speculation mode like talking about microchips, one world governments, and playing pin the tail on the Antichrist with every famous person that has ever been born.

-CryptoLutheran

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