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Did Jesus have the knowledge of Good and Evil?
Was it past down to him through Adam and Eve?
D Taylor supported by the article referenced equate "Knowledge of Good and Evil" with the "sin nature", so if Jesus has the knowledge acording to that definition He has a sin nature.
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Okay then start at the OP and then from there all of my other explanations
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Having the ability to not sin, does not discount that even though Jesus could not sin. He was still tempted like we are. He was tempted like we are, because His temptation came from satan and in our case more than likely satan and fallen angels.
Why do you think satan is locked up during Jesus earthly rule. So Jesus can rule humanity and only have to rule against mans sinful nature, without satan adding to the problem.
Noticed the words in Italics they are not in the original Greek
For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
The Greek reads
Not for we have a high priest not being able to sympathize with the weaknesses of us [one] having been tempted however in all things by the same way without sin
If Jesus had a sin nature or the ability to sin where did this come from. since He was begotten from God and not Adam.
https://faithalone.org/grace-in-foc...christ-makes-the-life-to-come-more-thrilling/
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Cool. Then when Jesus said "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations" He was just giving them a meaningless task because He'd already done all of that. What a weird view of scripture.
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John 10:26 correctly understood. Jesus is addressing the current crowd and at the moment Jesus is addressing the crowd. They do not believe in Jesus so they are not one of Jesus' sheep at that moment in time. But Jesus does not say that they (Jews Jesus was addressing) will never believe and eventually become a sheep.
Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one.”
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I am re-reading this post of yours and noting something you did. I stated Adam pass down the knowledge of good and evil to humanity, but you end up just making it about knowledge, which is not what is stated.
Adam had knowledge before He sinned, so knowledge did not make him a sinner.
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One of the more prominent doctrines in systematic theology is the doctrine of “inherited sin.”2 A great deal of speculation has taken place regarding the cause, transmission/imputation and consequences of inherited sin. It is commonplace to cite Rom 5:12-21 as the foundational text for this doctrine.3 The present essay intends to question this standard practice. It is granted that several related issues of systematic theology will surface, which cannot be adequately addressed within the confines of this article. The focus will rather be one important exegetical issue involved in the common reading of Romans 5, namely, what does Paul mean by eis pantas anthrōpous?4
Universal Sin and Salvation in Romans 5:12-21 – Grace Evangelical Society
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You said: “Having the ability to not sin…”, so can we have that “ability” while here on earth and what would provide that ability?
Is having the ability to not sin, result in not sinning or is there more to it?
Jesus and us derive at least some of our temptation from Satan, so what is the difference?
Wow, this brings up the whole: Earthly reign, which I like many others do not agree with.
There are no equivalent “English words” for every Greek word and the Greek has gender to help you which is not translated into the English. There are good reasons for the Greek scholars to not put one literal mean to each Greek word, because one Greek word can have many English words translations and have the need to add English words or you cannot understand what was said.
You ask: “Jesus had a sin nature or the ability to sin where did this come from”, how about the same place Adam and Eve’s ability to sin came from (Adam was begotten by God, but where do you find Jesus begotten by anyone?)
Not sinning does not mean you are incapable of sinning.
God does not and will not sin, but God does have free will to do what can be done.
After death we become: “Like the Angels”, but some of the angels sinned, so why can’t we have the ability to son and yet be like the angels who did not sin?
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Not sure I am following you here. Adam and Eve knew lots of stuff (had knowledge).
But previously you seemed to be saying: the knowledge of Good and Evil = Our sinful nature.
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When you have nothing to be ashamed of, comfortable in the presence of anyone, you do not worry about what you are waring, but once you feel shame everything about you becomes shameful.
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Adam was created by God. Jesus was not created by God but was sent from the Godhead by The Father.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting
My last post on this, as this discussion has ran its course with me.
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He was telling them to make disciples of His regenerated chosen. You cant make disciples of the lost spiritually dead.
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If you really interpreted scripture with scripture then you would know that John 12:32 means literally "all people" just like it says. Why wouldn't Jesus draw all people to Himself when you consider that God graciously offers salvation to all people (Titus 2:11), that God commands all people everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), that God wants all people to be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-6) and that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (John 3:16, 1 John 2:1-2)? Why would you think that Jesus would not draw the people to Himself that He died to give the opportunity of eternal life, which is all people in the whole world? Some who are drawn to Him then decide not to take the next step by repenting of their sins and putting their faith in Him like the Jews Stephen rebuked who were resisting the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51).
His sheep are the ones who willingly choose to accept what He did for everyone. But, He made it so that all people would have the opportunity to be among His sheep. That's what you don't get.
He even died for the false teachers and prophets that Peter wrote about in the following verse, but they denied Him. He paid the price for their sins, but they were not willing to accept what He did for them. Obviously, those who reject Him and His sacrifice won't be His sheep and won't have their sins forgiven by His blood, but that doesn't mean He didn't die to give them that opportunity.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
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God loves everyone in the whole world. Do you deny that? John 3:16 says that whoever in the world believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. And those in the world who do not believe in Him are condemned because the light went out to them but they chose to remain in darkness instead (John 3:19). Jesus sacrificed Himself for the sins of all people in the whole world (1 John 2:1-2), but it's only those who choose to believe in Him that will not perish and have eternal life.
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Right. The reality is that it's whosoever chooses to believe in Him. That's the only way to make sense of John 3:16 since God loves everyone in the world and, therefore, it would contradict His character if He chose some to have eternal life while not even giving anyone else any opportunity to have eternal life.
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When a Calvinist says they "interpret Scripture with Scripture" what they mean is they begin with the proof texts that they use to support their doctrine, and then force every other text to fit with their understanding of those proof texts. It sounds good, but it's a poor approach to exegesis because it requires imposing a prior understanding on any and all texts that contradict their doctrinal stance.
But what do you expect of people who are willing to adopt a philosophical system that accuses God of authoring sin and then simply will not attribute culpability despite the fact that if Calvinism is true there is only one will, and one sinner, the one who authored the whole drama.
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