The return of Christ in Sept of 2040

Strong in Him · Jun 25, 2025

Ramon Nuñez said:
Luther, the father of the Reformation, has a chronology, "Supputatuio annorum mundi" (Calculation of the Year of the World), in which the beginning of the world is placed in the year 3960 BC. Counting the chronology of the patriarchs up to the year of Abraham's birth (assuming he was born in the 130th year of his father Terah), we get the year 1953 BC.

What happened in that year? NASA astronomers searching for the origin of the Chinese calendar through texts from the 1st century BC observed an extraordinary event in the heavens: a conjunction of the five visible planets at an angle of less than 4 degrees (see for example: The Astronomy of the Birth of Abraham (1953 B.C.) ) and a celestial phenomenon in which the planet Venus appears to devour (due to its greater intensity) the others over the course of a few days at the end of February of that year. This would confirm what is said in chapter 8 of the Book of Jasher:

Jesus himself said that no man knows the day or hour - not even the Son of Man.
But you are trying to prove him wrong by using astronomy and a book that isn't even in the Bible. Why?

Ramon Nuñez said:
Jacob was born 100+60=160 years later than when Abraham was born in 1953, that is, in 1953-160=1793. What happened in the year the patriarch of Israel was born? On May 1 of that year there was a Jupiter-Saturn conjunction. The angle in the sky has been shown to be 1'23", the smallest in an interval of almost 11,000 years (from before Adam to the year 4523 AD).

More astronomy, + Bible maths.
I don't agree with adding up dates from Scripture to try to prove the 2nd coming. For one thing, the Jews had/have a different calendar to us. For another, our calendar has changed several times - like when the UK, at least, changed from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar. Also, many people seem to assume that Jesus was born at year zero. There was no year zero and he was probably born between 4-6 BC.

Ramon Nuñez said:
Luther believed in the so-called Elijah prophecy of the 6,000 years: that time would elapse from Adam to the coming of the Lord. If we count 6,000 years from 3960 BC, the 6,000 years would be in the year 2040 AD, although he thought the Lord could come at any time. Nobody knows.

Exactly.
So it might not be in 2040 then.

Ramon Nuñez said:
Are you familiar with the Stellarium program for observing celestial events? Have you verified what I said about August 31, 2040, when a cross formed by the five planets will be seen in the sky, as can be verified?

For myself; no and no.

Looking at stars and planets will not tell us when Jesus is going to return. Even God's word doesn't tell us that - and you have just said that we don't know.

Ramon Nuñez · Jun 25, 2025

Strong in Him said:
Jesus himself said that no man knows the day or hour - not even the Son of Man.
But you are trying to prove him wrong by using astronomy and a book that isn't even in the Bible. Why?

More astronomy, + Bible maths.
I don't agree with adding up dates from Scripture to try to prove the 2nd coming. For one thing, the Jews had/have a different calendar to us. For another, our calendar has changed several times - like when the UK, at least, changed from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar. Also, many people seem to assume that Jesus was born at year zero. There was no year zero and he was probably born between 4-6 BC.

Exactly.
So it might not be in 2040 then.

For myself; no and no.

Looking at stars and planets will not tell us when Jesus is going to return. Even God's word doesn't tell us that - and you have just said that we don't know.

Ramon Nuñez · Jun 25, 2025

I don't like to argue, especially when ad hominem arguments are used. Although the Book of Jasher is not in the canon, it is cherished in Judaism. It is also cited in Joshua 10:13, 2 Samuel 1:18, and in the New Testament in 2 Timothy 3:8. Catholic Christians have the Book of Maccabees, while Protestants don't. It would be very pretentious or arrogant to assume we are "wiser" than them.
God encourages us to study and search the scriptures. He also states that there will be, and have been in the past, signs in the heavens that will show the glory of the Lord.
My intention was to present a series of facts that are verifiable and verifiable by anyone, as required by science (I have a scientific background). And of course, as a believer, I am not certain of the conclusions that can be derived or extracted. As I suppose you know, no scientist claims that their theory is definitive. He knows that another one can always come along that's better or completely different. And of course, it's true what they say: only the Lord knows the day and the hour.
God bless you.

Strong in Him · Jun 25, 2025

Ramon Nuñez said:
I don't like to argue, especially when ad hominem arguments are used.

In what way was my post an ad hominem argument?

Ramon Nuñez said:
Although the Book of Jasher is not in the canon, it is cherished in Judaism. It is also cited in Joshua 10:13, 2 Samuel 1:18, and in the New Testament in 2 Timothy 3:8. Catholic Christians have the Book of Maccabees, while Protestants don't. It would be very pretentious or arrogant to assume we are "wiser" than them.

i. But I'm not a Jew.
ii. It doesn't matter if it is cited in Scripture. As you rightly say, it's not in the canon of Scripture.
ii. I never said anything about being wiser than Catholics - nor would I.

Ramon Nuñez said:
God encourages us to study and search the scriptures.

Yes, but not to find out when Jesus will return, because we can't know.

Ramon Nuñez said:
He also states that there will be, and have been in the past, signs in the heavens that will show the glory of the Lord.

All Creation shows the glory of the Lord, Psalm 19:1.

Ramon Nuñez said:
My intention was to present a series of facts that are verifiable and verifiable by anyone, as required by science (I have a scientific background).

But they do not prove/disprove that Jesus will return in 2040 - the subject of the thread - because we don't know.
It could be sooner; it might be a lot later.

Ramon Nuñez said:
God bless you.

God bless you too.

Dave Watchman · Jul 1, 2025

Strong in Him said:
But they do not prove/disprove that Jesus will return in 2040 - the subject of the thread - because we don't know.
It could be sooner; it might be a lot later.

I like these kind of threads, I missed this one when it came out. So yes, it could be sooner, but I seriously doubt it could be a lot latter. I mainly logged in to say I think it's happening much sooner than 2040. Isaac Newton said he saw no reason for it to be before 2060. Based on the convoluted method which he arrived at that date it had to be some sort of a ruse to throw people off the real timing he had in mind based on what he wrote in his Daniel 9 commentary. Newton knew it would be around our times now. What Newton wrote in his note on Daniel 9 in the 1700's, got tucked away from the pubic eye. It only got out of the courts where it was brought to Jerusalem by Abraham Shalom Yehuda in 1969. And that was the same year in January, when Levi Eshkol made the most recent decree to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem, after the Six Day War in 1967. Levi died of a heart attack a month latter in February that year.

The way that the OP is getting 2040, is the same way others are getting 2030. There's a better method that still counts 6-1000 year "days" since creation week. But Jesus gave us a shortcut when He aligned the timing at the cross. It's way easier to figure out Passover week by the phase of the moon at the Passover count on Friday, April 7, 30AD. And that matches with the Artaxerxes Decree in 457BC. So the most recent 2-1000 year "days" ends in 2030.

But I still think there's a better Biblical method, with higher accuracy, that says it had to be happening sooner than 2030, or 2027, or 2026. Or maybe ever sooner. Which might be more fun for some, than it is for others.

Strong in Him · Jul 1, 2025

Dave Watchman said:
I like these kind of threads,

Generally, I don't - which is why I now stay out of the Eschatology forum.

Dave Watchman said:
So yes, it could be sooner, but I seriously doubt it could be a lot latter.

We don't know though, do we? That's the whole point of Jesus' teaching and parables.
People have always been setting dates - sometimes down to the month and day. All have been wrong.

Dave Watchman said:
I mainly logged in to say I think it's happening much sooner than 2040.

Well if it does happen a lot sooner, if this forum's still here and if anyone really cares, you can say "I told you so."
What good you think it will do you, I have no idea.

Dave Watchman said:
Isaac Newton said he saw no reason for it to be before 2060.

Which was suitably far enough away that no one would know/remember/be alive.
I could say, "I expect it to be before 3025", with the risk that I'd be wrong. But neither I, or anyone here, will still be alive by then, so who would care.

Dave Watchman said:
Based on the convoluted method which he arrived at that date

All date setting is convoluted, imo.
I call it Bible maths - "take this number, multiply by this, subtract this to account for this verse and don't forget that a year = 1000 days. Then add the number you started with, and bingo.".

Dave Watchman said:
Newton knew it would be around our times now.

No, he didn't know.
Jesus said "no one knows the day or hour, not even the Son of Man". Why do people take that as a personal challenge to prove God wrong?

Dave Watchman said:
The way that the OP is getting 2040, is the same way others are getting 2030.

There you are then; even those who claim to know, don't.

Dave Watchman said:
There's a better method that still counts 6-1000 year "days" since creation week.

There's an even better method than that - don't worry about it.
"Being ready" involves knowing Jesus, trusting in him, serving him, preaching the Gospel and trusting God. Trusting God means trusting him with things that are too big for us to know; trusting that we belong to him and will never be snatched from his hand. Including in the final moments of this life - whether that is on our death beds, or trying to avoid/withstand persecution.
God knows. We don't need to - we just need to be faithful.

Dave Watchman said:
But Jesus gave us a shortcut when He aligned the timing at the cross. It's way easier to figure out Passover week by the phase of the moon at the Passover count on Friday, April 7, 30AD. And that matches with the Artaxerxes Decree in 457BC. So the most recent 2-1000 year "days" ends in 2030.

Which, personally, I believe is nonsense.

Dave Watchman said:
But I still think there's a better Biblical method, with higher accuracy, that says it had to be happening sooner than 2030, or 2027, or 2026. Or maybe ever sooner. Which might be more fun for some, than it is for others.

Well it's not that accurate then; not if it is giving a choice of about 4 dates and saying "or even sooner."

We've been in "end times" ever since the ascension.
The Apostles believed Jesus would return in their lifetimes and taught that Jesus was coming soon. Maybe they believed that the persecution they went through, which saw Peter, Paul, James and others beheaded, was the start of it?
The Thessalonian church seemed to believe that it was so imminent that there wasn't even any point in getting jobs.
I wonder how many wars there have been in the world since the ascension. I wonder how many people have looked at world events and thought; 'not long now'?

Harold Camping was adamant that Jesus would return on a certain date, was "astounded" when he didn't and had to revise his position to "well that was a 'spiritual' 2nd coming." He then said Christ's physical return would be 6 months later. It wasn't, but Camping died a few months after that. As my former vicar would say, "Jesus returned for him - in death."

Ramon Nuñez · Jul 1, 2025

Dave: Puedo enviarte toda la información que tengo, ya que es muy difícil discutirlo de forma exhaustiva y razonada en estos hilos. Por cierto, existen dudas de que la crucifixión tuviera lugar un viernes en ese año. Respecto al año 30, existe confirmación en escritos judíos, donde se menciona que 40 años antes de la destrucción del Templo (en el año 30), los sacrificios en el Templo no agradaban a Dios. Estoy de acuerdo con lo que dices sobre Daniel y la Venida del Señor. Coincide con lo que afirman algunos eruditos sobre que los años 26/27 fueron un año sabático y los años 27/28 un año jubilar (confirmado por el testimonio de Jesús al leer el texto de Isaías en la sinagoga).
No sé si se permite publicar direcciones de correo electrónico en este foro. En cualquier caso, aquí está: ramonnunezrodriguez@gmail.com

Ramon Nuñez · Jul 1, 2025

Dave: I can send you all the information I have, since it's very difficult to discuss in a comprehensive and reasoned manner in these threads. By the way, there are doubts that the crucifixion took place on a Friday in that year. Regarding the year 30, there is confirmation in Jewish writings, where it is mentioned that 40 years before the destruction of the Temple (in the year 30), the sacrifices in the Temple were not pleasing to God. I agree with what you say about Daniel and the Coming of the Lord. It agrees with what some scholars claim about the years 26/27 being a Sabbatical year and the years 27/28 being a Jubilee year (confirmed by Jesus' testimony when he read the text of Isaiah in the synagogue).

I don't know if posting email addresses is allowed in this forum. In any case, here it is. It's ramonnunezrodriguez@gmail.com

Jipsah · Jul 1, 2025

Strong in Him said:
"Being ready" involves knowing Jesus, trusting in him, serving him, preaching the Gospel and trusting God. Trusting God means trusting him with things that are too big for us to know; trusting that we belong to him and will never be snatched from his hand. Including in the final moments of this life - whether that is on our death beds, or trying to avoid/withstand persecution.
God knows. We don't need to - we just need to be faithful.

Hear, hear!

Strong in Him said:
Harold Camping was adamant that Jesus would return on a certain date, was "astounded" when he didn't and had to revise his position to "well that was a 'spiritual' 2nd coming."

Standard procedure for failed predictions of The End. After the Millerites suffered the Great Disappointment back in the 19th century they came up with the notion that on the date they'd specified for our Lord's return, that He had instead gone from the Holy Place to the Most Holy Place to work on the Investigative Judgement, a doctrine that they came up with ad hoc to salvage some kind of credibility following the abject failure of their initial "prophecies. The Russelites used an almost identical tack when their late-19th early-20th century dates came and went without incident. They declarws that, in effect, 1914 had seen the de facto "end of the world" brought about by some event that happened in Heaven at that time. Harold Camping was just using the standard method used by date setters to avoid looking like complete nincompoops when their dates produce nothing.

Strong in Him · Jul 1, 2025

Jipsah said:
Harold Camping was just using the standard method used by date setters to avoid looking like complete nincompoops when their dates produce nothing.

That's the trouble with prophesying a certain date - they have to come up with a reason why it didn't happen.

DamianWarS · Jul 1, 2025

cfposter said:
Jesus will return in Glory and Power in Sept of 2040. The days of Adam began in 3890 BC with Isaac born in 1910 BC, with the Exodus in 1479 BC. With the crossing of the Jordan in 1440 BC. With Solomon's Temple dedicated in 950 BC. With the destruction of that Temple in 530 BC. With the Resurrection of our Lord in 31 AD, and with the coming of the 121st Jubilee in Sept of 2040.

The intervals above are consistent with Jubilees and there are only 120 Jubilees given to the dominion of Man (Genesis 6:3). Time is short.

How are you calibrating your jubliee count? When is Jubliees zero?

since there is no year 0 wouldn't this push your dates +1 in AD?

I have also determined that most (by this I mean all) counts of when Shem was born are incorrect commonly using Gen 5:32 when Noah was 500 as the reference (which treats Ham, Shem and Japheth as triplets). A bit more study and simple math shows Shem was born when Noah was 502. What do you have?

There is also not a lot of accuracy when counting relative to how old people are at the time of the event happened. Jan 2000 and Dec 2001 is by year count 1 but is actually 1 year 11 months likewise Dec 2000 and Jan 2001 is also 1 year but actually one month, both biblically speaking would be counted as 1 year if it aligned the same way with a person's age (because it rarely breaks down the month or day). But its not like we can say give or take 12 months because the reference reset with each person potentially throwing it off quite a bit. If each person resets to their reference it's going to throw all the numbers and all we are going to have is only an approximation.

Fervent · Jul 2, 2025

No wonder my hair dresser won't allow me to book an appointment in Oct 2040.

Dave Watchman · Jul 3, 2025

Ramon Nuñez said:
Dave: I can send you all the information I have, since it's very difficult to discuss in a comprehensive and reasoned manner in these threads.

I know it's difficult. It's almost like we need a date setters safe house. That didn't sound right. Lol. It's just that everyone can have a different view on a number of things.

Ramon Nuñez said:
By the way, there are doubts that the crucifixion took place on a Friday in that year.

I have no doubt, it was Friday April 7, 30AD. It's just that the 3 days and three nights in the heart of the earth, was more than just the grave. Jesus told the disciples that the Son of Man must suffer many things.

He must be betrayed into the hands of man, be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and shall deliver Him to the Gentiles, to mock, and shall scourge Him, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on Him, and they shall condemn Him to death. And shall kill Him, and the third day He shall rise again.

The three days and nights began when they caught Jesus in Gethsemane. Up until that time they could never lay a hand on Him, because His time had not yet come. The "time" was the three days and three nights, and began as soon as they caught him and were able to lay a hand on Him. With His betrayal and all of His suffering, and concluded on sunrise Sunday.

Like when I'm counting for Passover, using the calendars for 30AD, sometimes it's confusing at first, as in God's economy of "days", night comes before light. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

https://www.talkgenesis.org/heart-of-the-earth/

Ramon Nuñez said:
Regarding the year 30, there is confirmation in Jewish writings, where it is mentioned that 40 years before the destruction of the Temple (in the year 30), the sacrifices in the Temple were not pleasing to God.

Even though I'm sure about 30AD, I still think it's happening before 2030. I think we're closer right now than most would be able to deal with.

Ramon Nuñez said:
I agree with what you say about Daniel and the Coming of the Lord. It agrees with what some scholars claim about the years 26/27 being a Sabbatical year and the years 27/28 being a Jubilee year (confirmed by Jesus' testimony when he read the text of Isaiah in the synagogue).

I was just talking about this with another guy. I don't think 27AD was the Jubilee. I think it was 34AD. But I'm still contemplating on this right now, as I speculate there's an end time parallel to the favorable year of the Lord.

It's what Isaac Newton was mentioning in his Daniel 9 commentary about a bifurcated timeline, where the 7 and 62 weeks would have an application to the second coming. He thought the 7 weeks were primary to the second coming, and would become, "the compass of a Jubilee", as he referred to it. It's a radical idea. Not for everyone for sure.

Strong in Him · Jul 4, 2025

Dave Watchman said:

The empty tomb was discovered on Sunday; no one knows when Jesus rose.

Strong in Him · Jul 4, 2025

Dave Watchman said:
I have no doubt, it was Friday April 7, 30AD.

Many people say it was on April 3rd, 33AD.
John the Baptist began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberias' reign, Luke 3:1-2 - this was in 29AD. It is not possible for Jesus's crucifixion to have been in 30AD after a 3 year ministry.

ozso · Jul 4, 2025

Whoever claims to have incontrovertible evidence of the date of the second coming of Christ, is the 537139546th person to make that claim.

Strong in Him · Jul 4, 2025

ozso said:
Whoever claims to have incontrovertible evidence of the date of the second coming of Christ, is the 537139546th person to make that claim.

And the previous 537139545 people were wrong.

Postvieww · Jul 4, 2025

cfposter said:
I had approval by Hammster that date setting was allowed only in this forum.

Being allowed to be wrong does not make one right! This has been tried by many people in my lifetime and they all thought were right but ended up with egg on their faces. Will you have grits with yours?

Dave Watchman · Jul 5, 2025

Strong in Him said:
Many people say it was on April 3rd, 33AD.

Many people would be wrong.

Strong in Him said:
John the Baptist began his ministry in the 15th year of Tiberias' reign, Luke 3:1-2 - this was in 29AD.

The astronomical data trumps that. It was earlier. Too many tricky variables with the dead kings and pinning them down. They had regnal reigns, and co regent reigns. There was an image of a coin minted with the head of Augustus on one side, and with a Tiberius head on the other side. I don't know which was tails. Tiberius ruled together with his ailing father Augustus for a couple years. He might have been inaugurated in 14AD, but it was only a formalization for a reign that began a couple years earlier.

Counting the bodies of the dead kings is like trying to count genealogies since Creation week. It might get you in the ballpark, but there's a better and more accurate way to be much more precise. The Isaac Newton way, which is the Daniel 9 Way. This is the Way. It predicted His first Visitation, it predicts His second Visitation now.

Strong in Him said:
It is not possible for Jesus's crucifixion to have been in 30AD after a 3 year ministry.

Good Friday, April 7, 30 AD.

It fits with the Passover count that week based on the astronomical data, and with the Artaxerxes Decree to restore Jerusalem in 457 BC.

69 weeks from 457 BC counted to 27 AD when Jesus said, early in Mark, that the "time" is fulfilled. He certainly must have been referring to the Daniel 9 "time", the 7, and the 62 weeks.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Strong in Him · Jul 5, 2025

Dave Watchman said:
Many people would be wrong.

In your opinion.

Dave Watchman said:
The astronomical data trumps that.

Never mind astronomy, what about the historical facts?

Dave Watchman said:
Too many tricky variables with the dead kings and pinning them down.

Historians don't seem to think so.
Several online resources give Tiberius' reign from 14 -37 AD. William Barclay, Tom Wright and the IVP Bible commentary agree. John's ministry began in the 15th year of Tiberius' reign, Luke 3:1-2. Luke was a historian too - and he lived very close to, if not during that time.

You may look to the stars for your facts; some of us prefer something more accurate.

Dave Watchman said:
He might have been inaugurated in 14AD, but it was only a formalization for a reign that began a couple years earlier.

No, his reign began after the death of his father in 14BC.

Prince Charles shared several of the late Queen's duties and, towards the end, stood in for her a couple of times. He was not King until she died.

Dave Watchman said:
The Isaac Newton way, which is the Daniel 9 Way.

Who cares what Isaac Newton said; he knew as much as anyone else.

In post #85 you said that, Isaac Newton said that he saw no reason for it to be before 2060. A few sentences later you said, "Newton knew that it would be around our times, now."
Which is it - now, or in 35 years time?

Dave Watchman said:
Good Friday, April 7, 30 AD.

Right.
I'll ask him one day.

Dave Watchman said:
It fits with the Passover count that week based on the astronomical data, and with the Artaxerxes Decree to restore Jerusalem in 457 BC.

This is what I'm saying that I don't agree with. Bible maths - counting, looking for clues in the OT and trying to make them work/fit.

Which part of "no one knows the day or hour" do people not get?

Dave Watchman said:
69 weeks from 457 BC counted to 27 AD when Jesus said, early in Mark, that the "time" is fulfilled. He certainly must have been referring to the Daniel 9 "time", the 7, and the 62 weeks.

He didn't say "the time is fulfilled" he said "the time has come, the Kingdom of God is at hand."
Of course it was - Jesus, the King was on earth and would be teaching/living the Kingdom.

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