Battle of Los Angeles: Anti-ICE Leftists Go Berserk Against Federal Agents, Storm DHS Facility

BPPLEE · Jun 8, 2025

RDKirk said:
I would expect the Guard to be less likely to fire on unarmed civilians than the local police. Remember that for local police, "civilians" are the threat they've trained to combat or, at the very least, completely control. For the Guard, civilians are the people they've trained not to combat, and they have all been explicitly trained against repeating the Kent State incident.

Police are reluctant to shoot civilians too, especially unarmed ones but you're correct, the Guard would be even less likely

BCP1928 · Jun 8, 2025

Always in His Presence said:

Wow. Somebody set a fire in the middle of the street. Whoever set it should be arrested for vandalism.

BCP1928 · Jun 8, 2025

BPPLEE said:
Police are reluctant to shoot civilians too, especially unarmed ones but you're correct, the Guard would be even less likely

Remember Kent State.

BPPLEE · Jun 8, 2025

BCP1928 said:
Remember Kent State.

They've been training to avoid an incident like that since 1970.
In 1970 the police could legally shoot an unarmed fleeing felon.
Things have changed

BPPLEE · Jun 8, 2025

Nithavela said:
Just another testament to Trump's incompetence.

Or that liberals didn't care as long as it was Obama doing the deporting

BCP1928 · Jun 8, 2025

BPPLEE said:
Or that liberals didn't care as long as it was Obama doing the deporting

So it looks like, just maybe, it's not the deportation itself which is being objected to. Ya think?

BPPLEE · Jun 8, 2025

BCP1928 said:
So it looks like, just maybe, it's not the deportation itself which is being objected to. Ya think?

So it's the way it's being done?
That's fair to say

RDKirk · Jun 8, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
I don't know. I am not a scholar of protest or civil disobedience in the US. Measuring the effectiveness of protests is difficult.

There is one case I know of where a law was intentionally violated to challenge the law in court: the 1925 violation of the Tennessee anti-evolution law by John Scopes at the behest of the ACLU.

It was the primary mode of operation in the late 50s and into the early 60s.

Ever hear of the Freedom Riders? If not, Google...it's a dramatic tale of some incredibly courageous young people.

Hans Blaster · Jun 8, 2025

RDKirk said:
It was the primary mode of operation in the late 50s and into the early 60s.

Ever hear of the Freedom Riders? If not, Google...it's a dramatic tale of some incredibly courageous young people.

Good grief. How ignorant do you think we are?

RDKirk · Jun 8, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
Good grief. How ignorant do you think we are?

I meet people every day who haven't heard of the Freedom Riders.

But here is the deeper question: Have you actually examined their strategy? Because when you assert, "There is one case I know of where a law was intentionally violated to challenge the law in court: the 1925 violation of the Tennessee anti-evolution law by John Scopes at the behest of the ACLU" it sounds like you haven't looked at the Civil Rights Era very closely.

I had already given you one particular case of intentionally violating a law in order to challenge it in court...and then you say you only know of one case...not that one. Well, you certainly know of two cases, because I just told you about another.

And now I've told you about yet another...a case that was replicated a hundred times.

But that was also the strategy behind every sit-in as well: To go past the sign that said "Whites Only" and take a seat, being very careful not to break any law except the segregation law...despite provocation.

Nithavela · Jun 8, 2025

RDKirk said:
I meet people every day who haven't heard of the Freedom Riders.

But here is the deeper question: Have you actually examined their strategy? Because when you assert, "There is one case I know of where a law was intentionally violated to challenge the law in court: the 1925 violation of the Tennessee anti-evolution law by John Scopes at the behest of the ACLU" it sounds like you haven't looked at the Civil Rights Era very closely.

I had already given you one particular case of intentionally violating a law in order to challenge it in court...and then you say you only know of one case...not that one. Well, you certainly know of two cases, because I just told you about another.

And now I've told you about yet another...a case that was replicated a hundred times.

But that was also the strategy behind every sit-in as well: To go past the sign that said "Whites Only" and take a seat, being very careful not to break any law except the segregation law...despite provocation.

I hadn't heard of the freedom riders. As a non-american, I think that's not unusual. I found it rather interesting, thank you for sharing.

RDKirk · Jun 8, 2025

Nithavela said:
I hadn't heard of the freedom riders. As a non-american, I think that's not unusual. I found it rather interesting, thank you for sharing.

The governor of Alabama threatened to throw the young Freedom Riders into the worst prison of the state.

Freedom Riders: "Governor, we will fill your prison up."

Vambram · Jun 8, 2025

President Trump sends National Guard as violent anti-ICE riots erupt in Los Angeles

The National Guard was deployed to Los Angeles County as anti-ICE protests continued to escalate Saturday afternoon and into the evening. The unrest is centered in the city of Paramount, California, where protesters clashed with federal authorities, including Immigration and Customs Enforcement...

www.foxnews.com

Hans Blaster · Jun 8, 2025

RDKirk said:
I meet people every day who haven't heard of the Freedom Riders.

But here is the deeper question: Have you actually examined their strategy?

Have I studied the legal strategies of the Civil Rights Movement? No, I haven't and it isn't relevant.

RDKirk said:
Because when you assert, "There is one case I know of where a law was intentionally violated to challenge the law in court: the 1925 violation of the Tennessee anti-evolution law by John Scopes at the behest of the ACLU" it sounds like you haven't looked at the Civil Rights Era very closely.

I had already given you one particular case of intentionally violating a law in order to challenge it in court...and then you say you only know of one case...not that one. Well, you certainly know of two cases, because I just told you about another.

And now I've told you about yet another...a case that was replicated a hundred times.

But that was also the strategy behind every sit-in as well: To go past the sign that said "Whites Only" and take a seat, being very careful not to break any law except the segregation law...despite provocation.

The problem is that you asserted that civil disobedience is about getting arrested to change the law under which you were arrested:

RDKirk said:
You have to understand how civil disobedience works, though:

The people who practice civil disobedience accept arrest and then take the matter to court.

The courts determine whether the law they broke should be upheld.

Forcing the law to be proven in court is the point of civil disobedience.

But that clearly doesn't apply here, nor in many other cases when civil disobedience has been used. You don't think that anyone who blocks ICE at the Home Depot expects their arrest to challenge the deportation law, or any immigrant activist thinks that is a path to affecting change with immigration law and policy, do you?

BPPLEE · Jun 9, 2025

RDKirk said:
The governor of Alabama threatened to throw the young Freedom Riders into the worst prison of the state.

Freedom Riders: "Governor, we will fill your prison up."

I saw a movie one time and it showed law enforcement making an agreement with people who attacked the freedom riders to give them time to get away before they responded

ozso · Jun 9, 2025

BCP1928 said:
Wow. Somebody set a fire in the middle of the street. Whoever set it should be arrested for vandalism.

Those are burning vehicles they set on fire.

BPPLEE · Jun 9, 2025

ozso said:
Those are burning vehicles they set on fire.

During the mostly peaceful protest

ozso · Jun 9, 2025

It's now a certain party of Americans and illegal aliens joined together. Waving the flag of a foreign country, while setting the American flag on fire.

BCP1928 · Jun 9, 2025

ozso said:
Those are burning vehicles they set on fire.

Maybe auto theft and arson, then.

ozso · Jun 9, 2025

BPPLEE said:
During the mostly peaceful protest

Oh yes, I'm sure people are booking vacations there to enjoy the all of peace they're demonstrating.

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