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Utah legislator threatens legislation after Utah Mammoth (Hockey) and Jazz (basketball) make posts supporting Gay Pride

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It really doesn't but thanks anyways.
The letters LGBTQ stand for a sexual terms.
I'm guessing you also have a hard time attending weddings without thinking about what the bride and groom get into in the bedroom. That an adult seemingly has such a hard time separating people from their sex lives is a bit odd to me.
When a group uses sexual terms as their identity ie LGBTQ then it's illogical to say sex should be kept out of it.
 
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The letters LGBTQ stand for a sexual terms.
There's more to being lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or queer than just sex. Just as there's more to being heterosexual than just sex.

When a group uses sexual terms as their identity ie LGBTQ then it's illogical to say sex should be kept out of it.
If I say I'm married, am I bringing sex into it? If the above terms are sexual terms, then marriage is one, too.

-- A2SG, or is there a double standard being used here?
 
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There's more to being lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or queer than just sex. Just as there's more to being heterosexual than just sex.
Read the definitions again. The primary factor is sexuality.
If I say I'm married, am I bringing sex into it? If the above terms are sexual terms, then marriage is one, too.
Let's see what the definition of married is. Married = (of two people) united in marriage. The word "sexual" isn't in that definition like it is with LGBTQ Pride.
 
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Read the definitions again. The primary factor is sexuality.
Sure, that's a factor. But it's not the only one. Whether or not it's the primary one I guess would depend on what you choose to focus on.

Let's see what the definition of married is. Married = (of two people) united in marriage. The word "sexual" isn't in that definition like it is with LGBTQ Pride.
If "lesbian" describes a sexual relationship, then so does "married." Of course, there's more to each term than just the sexual part, so if there's more involved with one term, then there's more involved with the other.

Unless you're using a double standard, that is.

-- A2SG, are you?
 
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Does that mean you have to support and approve of everything about human beings?
Is that what compassion means to you?

-- A2SG, don't recall saying anyone had to do that....let's check...nope, didn't say that.....
 
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Sure, that's a factor. But it's not the only one. Whether or not it's the primary one I guess would depend on what you choose to focus on.
But it is as you admit the primary factor, thus it's the primary focus.
If "lesbian" describes a sexual relationship, then so does "married." Of course, there's more to each term than just the sexual part, so if there's more involved with one term, then there's more involved with the other.

Unless you're using a double standard, that is.
Nope, the definition of lesbian and married were already given. You're comparing apples to oranges.
 
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Is that what compassion means to you?
What compassion means is: sympathetic pity and concern for the misfortune of others. Are you saying being lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer is a misfortune?
 
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But it is as you admit the primary factor, thus it's the primary focus.
I never said it was the "primary" factor, that's your claim. I simply admitted it was a factor.

Nope, the definition of lesbian and married were already given.
Yup, and while both may include a sexual component to the definition, there are other things involved. If you focus exclusively on the sexual component for one, but not the other, then you're using a double standard.

You're comparing apples to oranges.
All the terms being used here contain a sexual component in addition to other things. I'm simply not focusing on the sexual part for some of them, and disregarding it for another. I'm applying a single standard to each definition rather than a double one.

What compassion means is: sympathetic pity and concern for the misfortune of others. Are you saying being lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer is a misfortune?
Did I say that? Check again.

While that may be one way to define compassion, it's far from the only way. Would you consider the words used previously to describe LGBTQ people as compassionate, according to whichever way you choose to define the term?

-- A2SG, maybe we just have a different way of viewing compassion....
 
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I never said it was the "primary" factor, that's your claim. I simply admitted it was a factor.
My bad, I read that as the A factor. Nonetheless as can be seen in the definition it is the primary factor.
Yup, and while both may include a sexual component to the definition, there are other things involved. If you focus exclusively on the sexual component for one, but not the other, then you're using a double standard.


All the terms being used here contain a sexual component in addition to other things. I'm simply not focusing on the sexual part for some of them, and disregarding it for another. I'm applying a single standard to each definition rather than a double one.


Did I say that? Check again.

While that may be one way to define compassion, it's far from the only way. Would you consider the words used previously to describe LGBTQ people as compassionate, according to whichever way you choose to define the term?
The definition focuses primarily on sexuality and sexuality is the primary component of L.G.B.T.Q regardless of if someone wants to redefine it, or wants to bury it, or close their eyes to it.
 
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This thread really isn't about "weird sex stuff" or the definitions of L, G, B, T, Q. It's about a sitting state congressman threatening to propose and enact legislation to stop private citizens from using their free speech. It really doesn't matter if you agree with whatever message they shared, unless they are advocating\encouraging violence or breaking the law they have a right to say it and threatening literal legal action to stop them is a violation of the first amendment.

What are your thoughts on THAT?
 
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There is no room for wierd sex stuff in sports. Just play the darn game.
I don't know, the Lingerie League did pretty well for a while, and that was definitely weird sex stuff.
 
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My bad, I read that as the A factor. Nonetheless as can be seen in the definition it is the primary factor.

The definition focuses primarily on sexuality and sexuality is the primary component of L.G.B.T.Q regardless of if someone wants to redefine it, or wants to bury it, or close their eyes to it.
OK, and now it's time for you to move on to the "so what?" part.
 
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I'm not sure how "Watch for some significant legislation this next session that pushes back onto these woke groups!" comes out as a threat to penalize the sports teams.
That's how I took it. I don't see a significant difference if he actually meant that he planned to push back against LGBTQ groups though. Free speech remains a thing - except possibly in Utah, I guess.
 
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Let me break it down more simply. LGBT = weird sex stuff. LGBT pride = celebrating weird sex stuff. Weird sex stuff in sports = weird (as you appear to agree). Sports franchises taking time and spending money on announcing their support for LGBT pride = sports franchises bringing weird sex stuff into the sport and expecting sports fans to celebrate weird sex stuff with them. Therefore, it is weird to celebrate weird sex stuff in sports. Conclusion? Just play the darn game and keep the weird sex stuff out of the sport.

I could not agree more, sports teams should focus on playing the game and not get involved in Pride Month or LGBTQ issues.

Does this imply that an American sports team cannot support a political or social issue they care about without facing threats from legislators? Is that the type of country where you want to live, where legislators threaten private citizens or sporting clubs if their ideologies differ?
 
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That's how I took it. I don't see a significant difference if he actually meant that he planned to push back against LGBTQ groups though. Free speech remains a thing - except possibly in Utah, I guess.
Free speech doesn't mean what's said can't be objected to or have action taken against it. Depending on its content a social media post can result in the poster being banned, reprimanded, censured, fired, sued, getting a restraining order, fined, arrested etc. And it's unlikely those espousing the first amendment and free speech would be doing so if the post said something like "Down with Pride", "Pride month needs to go", "Homosexuality is wrong" etc etc.
 
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Free speech doesn't mean what's said can't be objected to or have action taken against it. Depending on its content a social media post can result in the poster being banned, reprimanded, censured, fired, sued, getting a restraining order, fined, arrested etc.
There are relatively few things that you can say that can get you fined or arrested, and I don't think anything mentioned in the OP meets that standard. Everything else you've described are private actions by individuals or corporations, not the government, and are thus irrelevant to this discussion.
And it's unlikely those espousing the first amendment and free speech would be doing so if the post said something like "Down with Pride", "Pride month needs to go", "Homosexuality is wrong" etc etc.
Once again, you're wrong. I - and I believe most other people who object to this statement - would have a problem with a government official proposing legislation to punish people for saying things like "Down with Pride," "Pride month needs to go," or "Homosexuality is wrong."
 
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There are relatively few things that you can say that can get you fined or arrested, and I don't think anything mentioned in the OP meets that standard. Everything else you've described are private actions by individuals or corporations, not the government, and are thus irrelevant to this discussion.
What about a restraining order?
Once again, you're wrong. I - and I believe most other people who object to this statement - would have a problem with a government official proposing legislation to punish people for saying things like "Down with Pride," "Pride month needs to go," or "Homosexuality is wrong."
The word punish wasn't used. That's just an assumption.
 
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