Sabbatarianism

Xeno.of.athens · Wednesday at 1:50 PM

The Catholic Church views seventh-day Sabbatarianism, which advocates worship on Saturday as the Sabbath, as a misunderstanding of Christian tradition. The Church teaches that Sunday, the day of Christ's resurrection, is the Lord's Day and the proper day for Christian worship. This shift from Saturday to Sunday worship began in the early Church and is rooted in the New Testament, where the apostles and early Christians gathered on the first day of the week.

The Church also emphasises that the Sabbath commandment is fulfilled in Christ, who offers eternal rest and salvation. Therefore, the observance of Sunday is not merely about following a rule but celebrating the new covenant established through Jesus.

trophy33 · Wednesday at 1:56 PM

Just FYI, most of the world uses the ISO calendar with Sunday being the 7th day and Monday being the first day of the week.

Therefore, Christians are actually worshiping on the 7th day of the calendar week in the most of the world. And fun fact, Seventh Day Adventists in those countries actually keep the 6th day of the week.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 1:58 PM

No church is above the authority of God. Why there is no commandment to keep Sunday holy, no God's sanctification on Sunday, it is a man-made tradition leading people away from keeping God's commandments Mat 15:3-14. Jesus never told anyone to keep Sunday because He rose on Sunday instead of keeping the Sabbath commandment, This strictly comes from the teachings of the Catholic church that sadly most people followed instead of being faithful to God and His commandments.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 2:00 PM

Regardless of what calendar anyone is using, doesn't change the weekly cycle. This can be traced back to Creation. Gen 1, Gen 2:1-3

Sunday will always be the first day of the week and Saturday will always be the seventh day or the Sabbath. Exo 20:10 Why almost all ancient languages Saturday translates into Sabbath. Regardless what man does to try to destroy the Sabbath, God will always preserve His Sabbath for His people who want to keep the commandments of God- His version, not what was edited by man.

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trophy33 · Wednesday at 2:23 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
Sunday will always be the first day of the week and Saturday will always be the seventh day or the Sabbath. Exo 20:10

Ex 20:10 literally says that the 7th day is the Sabbath. Not that Saturday must be the 7th day. Exodus does not care about name, but about week's day order number.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 2:24 PM

trophy33 said:
Ex 20:10 literally says that the 7th day is the Sabbath. Not that Saturday must be the 7th day.

It says the seventh day is the Sabbath, it is the Sabbath, not a Sabbath, so yes, according to God's own Testimony the Sabbath is on the seventh day Exo 20:10. He deemed all other days as working days Exo 20:9 and only blessed, sanctified and made holy the seventh day. He deemed it My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13. Man has taken it upon themselves to deem another day in place of what God said. That has never worked out for anyone in the Scriptures, no matter how many people disobeyed, not sure why people would think it will workout out well now.

trophy33 · Wednesday at 2:25 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
It says the seventh day is the Sabbath, it is the Sabbath, not a Sabbath, so yes, according to God's own Testimony the Sabbath is on the seventh day Exo 20:10

And fun fact, the Seventh Day Adventists keep the 6th day in Europe and elsewhere, because they prefer name and not the week's order.

While Catholics, protestants etc gather on the 7th day.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 2:30 PM

trophy33 said:
And fun fact, the Seventh Day Adventists keep the 6th day in Europe and elsewhere, because they prefer name and not the week's order.

While Catholics, protestants etc gather on the 7th day.

No they don't, just because Europe changed the calendar to a work week calendar doesn't make it God's calendar. I can make my calendar on my computer start any day I want, but doesn't change the weekly cycle that Sunday will always be the first day and Saturday will always be the seventh day.

trophy33 · Wednesday at 2:34 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
No they don't, just because Europe changed the calendar to a work week calendar doesn't make it God's calendar. I can make my calendar on my computer start any day I want, but doesn't change the weekly cycle that Sunday will always be the first day and Saturday will always be the seventh day.

There is no God's calendar. Calendars are cultural, including days names. What do all modern weeks have the same is the number of days - 7.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 2:36 PM

trophy33 said:
There is no God's calendar. Calendars are cultural, including days names. What do all modern weeks have the same is the number of days - 7.

God's weekly calendar from the beginning as seen in Gen 1, Gen 2:1-3

God would not give a commandment and then not give man the ability to keep it according to the commandment, just like His faithful followers did Luke 23:56. People seem to know when Jesus rose, so its not hard to know when the Sabbath is. It has never changed and will continue on Isa 66:23

trophy33 · Wednesday at 2:37 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
Yes there. Gen 1, Gen 2:1-3

God would not give a commandment and then not have man have the ability to keep. People seem to know when Jesus rose, so its not hard to know when the Sabbath is.

It has nothing to do with days names, again. Only numbers. Genesis says nothing about Saturday or Sunday, only about numbers.

If you want to call Sunday in Europe Sabbath, you can. It is just naming.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 2:39 PM

trophy33 said:
It has nothing to do with days names, again. Only numbers. Genesis says nothing about Saturday or Sunday, only about numbers.

If you want to call Sunday in Europe Sabbath, you can. It is just naming.

God numbered all days except the Sabbath, He gave it a name, the Sabbath and numbered it, the seventh day and that has and will never change regardless what man does or says, because they are not God.

trophy33 · Wednesday at 2:40 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
God numbered all days except the Sabbath, He gave it a name, the Sabbath and numbered it, the seventh day and that has and will never change regardless what man does or says, because they are not God.

Not biblical.

SabbathBlessings · Wednesday at 2:43 PM

trophy33 said:
Not biblical.

Your disagreement will have to be taken up with God as He is the one who created the weekly cycle from the beginning Gen 1 Gen 2:1-3 and gave the Sabbath both a name and a number Exo 20:10. I find these all in my Bible, not sure why you can't.

trophy33 · Wednesday at 2:44 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
Your disagreement will have to be taken up with God as He is the one who created the weekly cycle from the beginning Gen 1 Gen 2:1-3 and gave the Sabbath both a name and a number Exo 20:10. I find these all in my Bible, not sure why you can't.

Already answered in post #5 and #11, you are just recycling it.

Reluctant Theologian · Wednesday at 4:28 PM

trophy33 said:
It has nothing to do with days names, again. Only numbers. Genesis says nothing about Saturday or Sunday, only about numbers.

If you want to call Sunday in Europe Sabbath, you can. It is just naming.

There is no historical confusion about whether our current calendar Saturday is the same as the historical 7th day = Sabbath day in Judaism, and that our current calendar Sunday = historically the 1st day of the week. The fact that ISO has a different day numbering/start day doesn't change that.

Many languages around the world (e.g. among others Hebrew, Arabic, Indonesian, Malaysian) still have literally the number 'one' as the name for the day that corresponds to our current calendar Sunday.

When Sunday rest was put in Law by Emperor Constantine as the 1st day of the week, that was done deliberately on a different day from what the Jews celebrated on the Sabbath day. The theological claim was that the Genesis principle and Mosaic Law for Sabbath rest was no longer valid, and that Christians should ONLY rest / worship / celebrate on Sunday as the 1st day of the week.

Soyeong · Wednesday at 10:13 PM

Xeno.of.athens said:
The Catholic Church views seventh-day Sabbatarianism, which advocates worship on Saturday as the Sabbath, as a misunderstanding of Christian tradition. The Church teaches that Sunday, the day of Christ's resurrection, is the Lord's Day and the proper day for Christian worship. This shift from Saturday to Sunday worship began in the early Church and is rooted in the New Testament, where the apostles and early Christians gathered on the first day of the week.

The Church also emphasises that the Sabbath commandment is fulfilled in Christ, who offers eternal rest and salvation. Therefore, the observance of Sunday is not merely about following a rule but celebrating the new covenant established through Jesus.

The Israelites worshipped God on every day, which included obeying His command to keep the 7th day holy, so there is nothing wrong with someone following a tradition of worshiping God on Sunday in order to honor the resurrection in addition to obeying God's command to keep the 7th day holy as well as God's other commands, but we should not hypocritically set aside any of God's commands in order to establish our traditions (Mark 7:6-9). In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, someone trying to honor the resurrection by disobeying God's command to keep the 7th day holy would be like a husband trying to honor his wife by committing adultery.

Soyeong · Wednesday at 10:41 PM

trophy33 said:
Ex 20:10 literally says that the 7th day is the Sabbath. Not that Saturday must be the 7th day. Exodus does not care about name, but about week's day order number.

The 7th day is not based on whenever we feeling like starting to count, but rather it is in memorial of when God rested on the 7th day after Creation. The Israelites received a double portion of manna for the 7th day for 40 years in the wilderness, so they knew on which day God rested, they have been keeping it ever since, and the period of time that they have been keeping as the 7th day corresponds to between Friday and Saturday night at sundown on the Gregorian calendar.

trophy33 · 2025-05-01T01:06:08-0500

Soyeong said:
The 7th day is not based on whenever we feeling like starting to count, but rather it is in memorial of when God rested on the 7th day after Creation.

You do not make any sense. The 7th day is the 7th day. Period.

trophy33 · 2025-05-01T01:07:34-0500

Reluctant Theologian said:
There is no historical confusion about whether our current calendar Saturday is the same as the historical 7th day = Sabbath day in Judaism, and that our current calendar Sunday = historically the 1st day of the week. The fact that ISO has a different day numbering/start day doesn't change that.

Many languages around the world (e.g. among others Hebrew, Arabic, Indonesian, Malaysian) still have literally the number 'one' as the name for the day that corresponds to our current calendar Sunday.

When Sunday rest was put in Law by Emperor Constantine as the 1st day of the week, that was done deliberately on a different day from what the Jews celebrated on the Sabbath day. The theological claim was that the Genesis principle and Mosaic Law for Sabbath rest was no longer valid, and that Christians should ONLY rest / worship / celebrate on Sunday as the 1st day of the week.

Exodus does not care about Constantine, ISO or what nations call any day in their language. It only says that the 7th day should be a Sabbath rest.

If your 7th day is Sunday, in your culture and state, then you should hypothetically keep Sunday, if you believe you are still to literally follow the Exodus commandment.

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