"Repent of your sins to be saved" is false, works salvation

timothyu · Sep 18, 2024

JulieB67 said:
Going by the English yes but he also states he that hateth his brother is a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in them. And he also states love your enemies.

To hate your brother or an enemy is misdirection, for we are to instead hate the backwards ways of man within us all. We are all in the same boat, some more misdirected than others. Putting our will ahead of the will of God's will is what makes us backwards and leads to the selfishness that creates all the problems in the world.

JulieB67 · Sep 18, 2024

timothyu said:
Putting our will ahead of the will of God's will is what makes us backwards and leads to the selfishness that creates all the problems in the world.

That's been kind of my point in this entire thread but you have some that believe putting God's will over our own is considered a "work" when in fact that's a true sign of repentance.

timothyu · Sep 18, 2024

JulieB67 said:
That's been kind of my point in this entire thread but you have some that believe putting God's will over our own is considered a "work" when in fact that's a true sign of repentance.

Kind of like wanting it both ways.

rturner76 · Sep 18, 2024

Isn't renoucing the sins of your former life and taking up your cross that allows us to be washed clean in our waterbaptizm? If we have nothing to repent of, why is there a need for a savior? If all that is required is to say the words of an oath, why would our Lord Jesus Christ say:

John 14:15 “If you love Me, you will obey what I command.” John 14:21 “Whoever has My commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves Me… .” John 14:23 “Jesus replied, 'If anyone loves Me, he will obey My teaching. ' ” Does Jesus accept lip service? If the Bible is infallible, how could it be in such disagreement of itself. Let's look at a few more Bible verses that indicate we must respond to our calling and not just make empty promises.

Romans 1:55 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.

John 15:141 You are my friends if you do what I command

How can faith have nothing to do with obedience?

FredVB · Apr 15, 2025

"The terms repentance and confession are often confused. How are you defining "repentance"?"

Repentance is essential to real faith in Christ. Confession is an important part, but there may be confession without any repentance. Confession is acknowledging to another or others of what has been done, or would be done, and might be repented of. Confession of wrongdoing should be to God in any case. But it might be more general about our sinfulness rather than with thought of each sin through all of our lives. Repentance is with sincere earnest desire to turn from those things contrary to God's will. Such is shown through commandments given that are shown in the Bible. In Christ we are enabled so that we do turn from sins. There is a learning process, as few of us are ready to turn from everything contrary to God's will, it could be overwhelming and we do easily dismiss things as not really contrary to God, with any reasoning we can use for such, which is not hard to do like changing would be. So God will show things for change in good time for any of those things, knowing any time before that we are not as ready for such change.

timothyu · Apr 15, 2025

Repentance is change, and that change is no longer self-justifying our will over that of God and calling it good so it may serve self. Repentance acts in servitude to all as needed, not to self-interest, the root of all evils. Imagine the change in the family pet if it were to one day gain the knowledge of good and evil.

FredVB · Apr 17, 2025

timothyu said:
Repentance is change, and that change is no longer self-justifying our will over that of God and calling it good so it may serve self. Repentance acts in servitude to all as needed, not to self-interest, the root of all evils. Imagine the change in the family pet if it were to one day gain the knowledge of good and evil.

You can insist on your own definitions. Family pets yet show some altruism, though you will define it differently. They will run into circumstances to save a member of what they think is their family instantly putting their life in danger, that even costing their life, where a human would even hesitate. The limit they have is the inability to expand their circle of who to care that much for. We as humans should have that ability. Do we practice that?

I will see what God's will is and change to that. But I see few doing so, and do not even know about you. Do such lose their salvation? I am not claiming that. But maybe you need to. I see God's will shown right from the start. Anything different said is compromise and accommodation later. Like there is for divorce for the hardness of hearts.

jamiec · Apr 26, 2025

Cockcrow said:
like I stated in the OP, repent means change of mind, nowhere in that passage does it say we must turn from all of our sins to be saved. nowhere does the Bible say we have to turn from our sins as a condition for salvation. If we are saved by works then we would be able to boast before God, and Jesus wouldn't get all the credit for our salvation.

I agree, we are saved by grace through faith, not works. works based salvation can't save! we are saved by Jesus alone. and anything more than that is adding to Gods word.

Romans 4:5 is clear that the one who does zero works yet believes on Christ? his faith is counted for righteousness

Corrected Version of John 5.14

- Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, “See, you are well! Sin on more, that nothing worse may happen to you.”

1 Peter 2.24, Corrected Version

- He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to righteousness and live to sin. By his wounds you have been healed.

1 John 3.4, Corrected Version

- Everyone who makes a practice of not sinning also practices lawlessness; not sinning is lawlessness.

1 John 2.1, Corrected Version

- My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may sin. But if anyone fails to sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the unrighteous.

1 John 1.8, Corrected Version

- If we say we have sinned, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

2 Timothy 2.19, Corrected Version

- But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord cleave to iniquity.”

Romans 6.1 ff., Corrected Version

- What shall we say then? Are we to avoid sinning that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to righteousness still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. ...

Romans 3.23, Corrected Version

- For all have failed to sin, and fall short of the glory of God.

Gregory Thompson · Apr 26, 2025

Salvation is an inner transformation, repentance is a result of the transformation.

Apply faith, continue to transform.

Creation awaits you.

timothyu · Apr 26, 2025

Isn’t that reversed?

David Lamb · Apr 28, 2025

jamiec said:
Corrected Version of John 5.14

- Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, “See, you are well! Sin on more, that nothing worse may happen to you.”

1 Peter 2.24, Corrected Version

- He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to righteousness and live to sin. By his wounds you have been healed.

1 John 3.4, Corrected Version

- Everyone who makes a practice of not sinning also practices lawlessness; not sinning is lawlessness.

1 John 2.1, Corrected Version

- My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may sin. But if anyone fails to sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the unrighteous.

1 John 1.8, Corrected Version

- If we say we have sinned, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

2 Timothy 2.19, Corrected Version

- But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord cleave to iniquity.”

Romans 6.1 ff., Corrected Version

- What shall we say then? Are we to avoid sinning that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to righteousness still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. ...

Romans 3.23, Corrected Version

- For all have failed to sin, and fall short of the glory of God.

Is this a joke of some kind, or are you actually saying that you believe that (for example), John 5:14 really should read:

- Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, “See, you are well! Sin on more, that nothing worse may happen to you.”

If it's a joke, I don't get it. If it's not, what is your basis for saying that the verses you quote should really say words that indicate we should sin more?

Dan Perez · Apr 28, 2025

David Lamb said:
Is this a joke of some kind, or are you actually saying that you believe that (for example), John 5:14 really should read:

- Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, “See, you are well! Sin on more, that nothing worse may happen to you.”

If it's a joke, I don't get it. If it's not, what is your basis for saying that the verses you quote should really say words that indicate we should sin more?

And i see thins that I see here !

# 1 AND how can e sin again ??

# 2 Becase he LIVED under the LAW of MOSE !!

dan p

All Becomes New · Apr 28, 2025

What does Jesus mean when he says, "Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish."

Guojing · Apr 30, 2025

All Becomes New said:
What does Jesus mean when he says, "Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish."

Do you know who Jesus was speaking to?

All Becomes New · Apr 30, 2025

Guojing said:
Do you know who Jesus was speaking to?

The people who would read his words.

Now answer my question.

Minister Monardo · Apr 30, 2025

Cockcrow said:
Jesus, Paul, and Bible nowhere says to "repent of your sins to be saved" this is added in by false teachers who want to add to Jesus finished work on the cross.

There is only one false teaching coming out of the title itself, and everything else moot.
Here is Paul's testimony:
Acts 26:
19 “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision,
20 but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea,
and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.

This is what Paul taught, the above statement is false, and the thread should be closed, IMSO

Guojing · Apr 30, 2025

All Becomes New said:
The people who would read his words.

Now answer my question.

Then are you building an ark because of Genesis 6:14?

Why not?

All Becomes New · Apr 30, 2025

Guojing said:
Then are you building an ark because of Genesis 6:14?

Why not?

You going to answer my question?

Guojing · Apr 30, 2025

All Becomes New said:
You going to answer my question?

My answer is already given.

Not every instruction in the Bible is directed at us today.

All Becomes New · Apr 30, 2025

Guojing said:
My answer is already given.

Not every instruction in the Bible is directed at us today.

So only some people need to repent? Not everyone? What about Matthew 4:17? That is a pretty clear text that demonstrates that Christ commands all people to repent because that was His main message in his ministry.

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