Christian girls' basketball team to face trans athlete in playoff game as California defies Trump's order

BNR32FAN · Mar 20, 2025

JSRG said:
California can't "simply" leave the union. Any unilateral declaration by California would most likely lead to civil war (just like what happened the last time a state unilaterally declared its secession), and even if that is somehow avoided, there's nothing "simple" about it just quitting the country which would be an exceedingly messy situation for both sides and would probably make Brexit look like a picnic (the various ties between the UK and the European Union are considerably less strong than that of California and the United States). And California's economy would probably take a major hit as a result.

Any attempt for California government officials to secede from the US could be considered an act of treason and inciting a coup.

BNR32FAN · Mar 20, 2025

RileyG said:
...because they were once a nation?

I don't see that ever happening, though.

Because the right to secede was part of the agreement when Texas joined the union.

RileyG · Mar 20, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
Any attempt for California government officials to secede from the US could be considered an act of treason and inciting a coup.

Wouldn't that apply to any state?

RileyG · Mar 20, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
Because the right to secede was part of the agreement when Texas joined the union.

oh...does that still apply today?

BNR32FAN · Mar 20, 2025

RileyG said:
...because they were once a nation?

I don't see that ever happening, though.

And we’re the only state that can fly our flag the same hight as the American flag. IN YO FACE EVERYBODY!! Lol just kidding

BNR32FAN · Mar 20, 2025

RileyG said:
Wouldn't that apply to any state?

I believe so, except for Texas.

BNR32FAN · Mar 20, 2025

RileyG said:
oh...does that still apply today?

Yeah the agreement was that Texas would retain that right as well as the right to fly our flag as high as the American flag forever.

RileyG · Mar 20, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
And we’re the only state that can fly our flag the same hight as the American flag. IN YO FACE EVERYBODY!! Lol just kidding

I think I knew that!

JSRG · Mar 20, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
Because the right to secede was part of the agreement when Texas joined the union.

According to the site that RileyG linked to, this is not true.

iarwain · Mar 21, 2025

RileyG said:
He’s a politician. Remember votes are important.

Sounds like he's trying to straddle the fence. Which is smart.

BNR32FAN said:
Any attempt for California government officials to secede from the US could be considered an act of treason and inciting a coup.

The US couldn't be lucky enough for California to secede.

BNR32FAN · Mar 21, 2025

iarwain said:
Sounds like he's trying to straddle the fence. Which is smart.

The US couldn't be lucky enough for California to secede.

Good point

FireDragon76 · Mar 21, 2025

RileyG said:
...because they were once a nation?

I don't see that ever happening, though.

California was also a republic once, before it joined the Union. That is where the state flag comes from.

Malleeboy · Mar 21, 2025

"Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

It may be illegal under US law for state to succeed, but if it does do so successfully, US law will no longer apply to it.
Remember it was illegal under British law for the 13 colonies to succeed, just like it was deemed illegal for Confederacy to succeed, the difference was in who won the resulting war.

FireDragon76 · Mar 22, 2025

Malleeboy said:
"Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

It may be illegal under US law for state to succeed, but if it does do so successfully, US law will no longer apply to it.
Remember it was illegal under British law for the 13 colonies to succeed, just like it was deemed illegal for Confederacy to succeed, the difference was in who won the resulting war.

I wouldn't relish the dissolution of the Union, but it does seem like things are headed in that direction. Otherwise, California will be forced to subsidise red state insanity for no gain. And after Japan and South Korea call back all the loans it's made to the US in dollars, the US dollar isn't going to be worth the paper its printed on.

JSRG · Mar 22, 2025

Malleeboy said:
"Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

It may be illegal under US law for state to succeed, but if it does do so successfully, US law will no longer apply to it.
Remember it was illegal under British law for the 13 colonies to succeed, just like it was deemed illegal for Confederacy to succeed, the difference was in who won the resulting war.

This was, more or less, the standard the Supreme Court set in Texas v. White.

For context, during the Civil War, Texas (while part of the Confederacy) sold some U.S. bonds it had. The Supreme Court ruled that because unilateral secession was illegal, Texas had never actually left the country and thus all acts by the Confederate state legislature were null. It declared:

"When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."

In other words, secession only becomes legal if you do it by revolution (i.e. you win the war) or do it through consent of the States (i.e. get the rest of the country to agree to it). Which is a rather practical way of looking at the matter, given that's how attempts to secede have been viewed throughout essentially the entirety of history. It's legal if you pull it off (by force or by agreement) and it's illegal if you don't.

Jipsah · Mar 23, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
The federal government, if push comes to shove, would lose. California could simply leave the union and take their tax dollars and agricultural goods with them.

Right.

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