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keras · Mar 17, 2025

Jamdoc said:
He's not on Earth.

We simply don't know where Enoch is.
But to say he is living in heaven, is to add your opinion to scripture. As well as contradicting the Words of Jesus.

Jamdoc said:
The criminal on the cross next to Jesus was promised by Jesus that THAT DAY he would be WITH JESUS in Paradise

Jesus lay in the tomb for 3 days after He died.
Your premise is false and just nonsense.

Jamdoc · Mar 17, 2025

keras said:
We simply don't know where Enoch is.
But to say he is living in heaven, is to add your opinion to scripture. As well as contradicting the Words of Jesus.

Well the Earth was flooded, there weren't even mountaintops to stand on until the waters were receding.

keras said:
Jesus lay in the tomb for 3 days after He died.
Your premise is false and just nonsense.

Jesus' body lay in the tomb for 3 ddays.

It didn't say that He soul slept.
Jesus said they'd be in paradise that very day.

keras · Mar 17, 2025

Jamdoc said:
It didn't say that He soul slept.
Jesus said they'd be in paradise that very day.

No,: Jesus didn't soul sleep, as every other dead person does. He went to preach to the fallen angels. 1 Peter 3:19
NOT Paradise on that very Day.

Jamdoc · Mar 17, 2025

keras said:
No,: Jesus didn't soul sleep, as every other dead person does. He went to preach to the fallen angels. 1 Peter 3:19
NOT Paradise on that very Day.

then you're saying Jesus lied to the man on the cross next to Him.

neither of them soul slept according to Jesus.
according to Jesus nobody soul sleeps.
the rich man opened his eyes in torment.

keras · Mar 18, 2025

Jamdoc said:
then you're saying Jesus lied to the man on the cross next to Him.

neither of them soul slept according to Jesus.
according to Jesus nobody soul sleeps.
the rich man opened his eyes in torment.

No; He didn't mean it was going to happen immediately. On this Day, Jesus informed him; you will be with Me in Paradise. At the end of time.

That you believe the homily of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar, to be an actual scene, just shows your gullibility.

Soul sleep is scriptural; The dead know nothing. Eccl 9:5
If a person dies can he live again? Until the day appointed, I will wait, until my change comes. Job 14:12

I could say this issue is not critical and any errors about what happens after death are immaterial.
But like all false belief, they lead to further errors, to wrong and fanciful beliefs and to denials of Scriptural truths.

Jamdoc · Mar 18, 2025

keras said:
No; He didn't mean it was going to happen immediately. On this Day, Jesus informed him; you will be with Me in Paradise. At the end of time.

That you believe the homily of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar, to be an actual scene, just shows your gullibility.

Soul sleep is scriptural; The dead know nothing. Eccl 9:5
If a person dies can he live again? Until the day appointed, I will wait, until my change comes. Job 14:12

I could say this issue is not critical and any errors about what happens after death are immaterial.
But like all false belief, they lead to further errors, to wrong and fanciful beliefs and to denials of Scriptural truths.

He didn't say at the end of time
He said that very day.
if Jesus went somewhere and left him soul sleeping, Jesus lied to him.

had Jesus meant soul sleep He would have said something like "Verily I say unto thee, I shall raise thou up on the last day."

but He didn't
He said

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

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keras · Mar 18, 2025

Jamdoc said:
if Jesus went somewhere and left him soul sleeping, Jesus lied to him.

But Jesus did go somewhere; to preach to the fallen angels.

After his death, that thief had no consciousness, therefore his next moment of awareness will be at the GWT Judgment, when he will attain the Paradise of immortality with God. Rev 21:1-7

Your failed arguments show who it is that is lying.

Jamdoc · Mar 18, 2025

keras said:
But Jesus did go somewhere; to preach to the fallen angels.

After his death, that thief had no consciousness, therefore his next moment of awareness will be at the GWT Judgment, when he will attain the Paradise of immortality with God. Rev 21:1-7

Your failed arguments show who it is that is lying.

nope. If he soul sleeps for thousands of years, and wakes up at the second resurrection in front of the white throne of Judgement then Jesus has lied to him twice, both at the timing (Today) and where he will be with Jesus (Paradise). Yes Jesus went to Sheol and preached, but by the end of the day, He was in Paradise, and not alone.

keras · Mar 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
nope. If he soul sleeps for thousands of years, and wakes up at the second resurrection in front of the white throne of Judgement then Jesus has lied to him twice, both at the timing (Today) and where he will be with Jesus (Paradise). Yes Jesus went to Sheol and preached, but by the end of the day, He was in Paradise, and not alone.

I totally reject your premises.
However; this argument is going nowhere, so just keep on trying to make the scriptures fit your beliefs.
Like most, surprise and shock will hit you, as Gods plans unfold.

Jamdoc · Mar 19, 2025

keras said:
I totally reject your premises.
However; this argument is going nowhere, so just keep on trying to make the scriptures fit your beliefs.
Like most, surprise and shock will hit you, as Gods plans unfold.

so if someone tells you they'll meet you tomorrow and you'll I dunno, go to a steakhouse and get some ribeyes, but then they knock you into a coma for 10 years and when you wake up you're wheeled into a courthouse where they're the judge and you're having all your crimes read off to you you'd say they didn't lie to you? Because you didn't get steaks the next day, but 10 years later you found yourself being judged by them?

keras · Mar 20, 2025

Just the idea of anyone, thinking they are good enough to go directly to heaven when they die, or: get raptured to heaven before disaster strikes - is pretentious and is the sin of self judgment.

Many scriptures make it clear that we humans never go to live in heaven. Such an idea is illogical and counter to what God made us for.
Jesus asked: When I Return, will I find faith on earth? He may be very disappointed!

BelieveItOarKnot · Mar 20, 2025

Mr. M said:
Revelation 7:
KJV:
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

NKJV:
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me,
“Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation,
and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

We see one difference in comparing the translations; the modern version adds the article 'the', changing the meaning to the saints who have gone through great tribulation beginning in Judea shortly after Pentecost, to some future event that people refer to as 'The Great Tribulation", which apparently the Church will not experience if they are gathered before said tribulation. So who are being persecuted during "The Great Tribulation"?

Note: the article 'the' is not in the original. Surely an agenda is afoot.

The "the" makes no difference.

Jesus spoke of a great tribulation to come here, duly notable as "the" or "no the" makes no difference

Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This particular "GREAT TRIBULATION" is in fact a ONE TIME ONLY event.

Spectacular as it will be. Glorious even. More than I can imagine.

Most fear it. We should never fear to hear God's Words and should accept them all fully into our own selves. After all His Word is Life and Lives in us. All of them. Every jot and tittle.

Get used to it. IF any of us are here in the Great Tribulation, you'll need every last jot and tittle more than you can imagine

BelieveItOarKnot · Mar 20, 2025

keras said:
No; He didn't mean it was going to happen immediately. On this Day, Jesus informed him; you will be with Me in Paradise. At the end of time.

That you believe the homily of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar, to be an actual scene, just shows your gullibility.

Soul sleep is scriptural; The dead know nothing. Eccl 9:5
If a person dies can he live again? Until the day appointed, I will wait, until my change comes. Job 14:12

I could say this issue is not critical and any errors about what happens after death are immaterial.
But like all false belief, they lead to further errors, to wrong and fanciful beliefs and to denials of Scriptural truths.

The notions that Jesus disappeared altogether for 3 days are kind of laughable.

God has never abdicated His Own Self, not even for a split second

keras · Mar 20, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
The notions that Jesus disappeared altogether for 3 days are kind of laughable.

God has never abdicated His Own Self, not even for a split second

We are told He was in the tomb until He came out of it 3 days later. 1 Peter 3:19 tell us what He did in the Spirit during that time.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Jesus spoke of a great tribulation to come here, duly notable as "the" or "no the" makes no difference

I agree.
But the Prophecy in Revelation 7:14, refers to the just happened [not yet] -Sixth Seal world wide disaster.
Matthew 24:21 and 29, refer to the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, culminating with the 7th Bowl of Armageddon. Rev 16:16-18

BelieveItOarKnot · Mar 20, 2025

keras said:
We are told He was in the tomb until He came out of it 3 days later. 1 Peter 3:19 tell us what He did in the Spirit during that time.

Jesus died a very real physical death. There was (obviously) more to Jesus than his flesh body. And even that body was not subject to corruption post death, which is the general point

Jamdoc · Mar 20, 2025

keras said:
Just the idea of anyone, thinking they are good enough to go directly to heaven when they die, or: get raptured to heaven before disaster strikes - is pretentious and is the sin of self judgment.

Many scriptures make it clear that we humans never go to live in heaven. Such an idea is illogical and counter to what God made us for.
Jesus asked: When I Return, will I find faith on earth? He may be very disappointed!

Paul mentions no purgatory, just to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Jesus mentioned no purgatory, just TODAY the condemned man would be WITH HIM IN PARADISE

first you drag out soul sleep as your defense, now you seem to be slanting towards purgatory?

It's not about us being "good enough" it's about Jesus having atoned for our sins and our sins being forgiven so that we are BLAMELESS before the Lord.
If you think you need to be "good enough" on your own then you missed the Gospel.

We committed the sins, we're guilty and deserve hell. Jesus died in our place for those sins, and went to hell (not to be tormented but to preach and triumph), then went to Paradise. But it is unmerited grace, specifically because we are NOT good enough. We are not appointed to the Wrath of God. But we are promised we WILL have tribulation, we WILL be persecuted. We WILL be overcome by Antichrist, and in doing so, we overcome him, and his mark, and the number of his name and his image.

and why will Christians be given over to the beast to be martyred? No, not for our purification, our justification is through Christ.
It's for our testimony. The testimony of martyrs convicts people and leads them to repentance.
the parable of the 10 virgins. What does the lamp represent? Testimony. To be a light in a dark place (tribulation). All 10 virgins go out with their lamps, but the 5 foolish cannot keep their testimony going, they lack the extra oil, the faith that keeps them going in the dark. Their lamp goes out, and they're denied, likely they given in and take the mark (they go to BUY oil), but that's speculation.
But there is purpose to God giving the saints over to the beast to be martyred, there is purpose to Christians in great tribulation.
There is no purpose to subjecting saints to the wrath of God.

keras · Mar 21, 2025

Jamdoc said:
first you drag out soul sleep as your defense, now you seem to be slanting towards purgatory?

Purgatory is fictional rubbish.
Soul sleep is Biblical truth. ALL the dead 'sleep' - David does and so shall we.

Jamdoc said:
But we are promised we WILL have tribulation, we WILL be persecuted. We WILL be overcome by Antichrist, and in doing so, we overcome him, and his mark, and the number of his name and his image.

So; despite your protestations, we must face testing and trials. And we will stand in Judgment, but many who thought they were good enough, will not have their names found in the Book of Life.
Salvation is not a simple ;- believe and be saved. The Promise of Eternal life is subject to conditions, mainly that we keep strong in our faithf and trust in the Lord for His protection.
Daniel in the lions den and the three men in the furnace is our prime example.

Jamdoc · Mar 21, 2025

keras said:
Purgatory is fictional rubbish.
Soul sleep is Biblical truth. ALL the dead 'sleep' - David does and so shall we.

The body sleeps, the spirit does not, the spirit is present with the Lord.

keras said:
So; despite your protestations, we must face testing and trials. And we will stand in Judgment, but many who thought they were good enough, will not have their names found in the Book of Life.
Salvation is not a simple ;- believe and be saved. The Promise of Eternal life is subject to conditions, mainly that we keep strong in our faithf and trust in the Lord for His protection.
Daniel in the lions den and the three men in the furnace is our prime example.

It's not a trial in the sense of this is how you get your purification, it's for your testimony.

It doesn't make us "good enough" nothing we do in our own life makes us "good enough". It's grace because we aren't good enough.

keras · Mar 21, 2025

Jamdoc said:
The body sleeps, the spirit does not, the spirit is present with the Lord.

The dead body decomposes into the constituent elements. The soul returns to God who made it.
This does not mean; or imply, that the soul is in any way conscious.

Jamdoc said:
It's not a trial in the sense of this is how you get your purification, it's for your testimony.

We can see how those whose testimony and beliefs were wrong, they are only just saved. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

Jamdoc said:
It doesn't make us "good enough" nothing we do in our own life makes us "good enough". It's grace because we aren't good enough.

Plainly, there is more to Salvation that that. We must repent sincerely, we must utilize our talents, pray and worship; etc......
Jesus will bring His rewards to those who do good works. Matthew 16:27

Jamdoc · Mar 21, 2025

keras said:
The dead body decomposes into the constituent elements. The soul returns to God who made it.
This does not mean; or imply, that the soul is in any way conscious.

We can see how those whose testimony and beliefs were wrong, they are only just saved. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

Plainly, there is more to Salvation that that. We must repent sincerely, we must utilize our talents, pray and worship; etc......
Jesus will bring His rewards to those who do good works. Matthew 16:27

Romans 11

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

If you add works, it's not grace.

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