Do Dinosaurs Prove that Death Existed Before the Fall?

th1bill said:

Science today is more theory than empirical science. Emperical Science is the Established Facts of all that is. Theoretical Science, on the other hand, is an ever-changing mixture of men and women's thoughts on how ot might have been or how it might be. Evolution, time-travel and dinosaurs before the advent of man are theoretical-science and therefore are mere thoughts of a or some men. Evidence in stone proves they lived together. Try research the web for Dinosaurs and Man's foot prints in Texas to begin.

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fide said:

And merely to add to the substance you wrote, my experience in experimental science is that "established fact" is a decision by committee (peer reviews, publications, "experts") whose opinions are affected by what others think. There is "group-think" in science. There are many non-scientific factors at play - for example: politics, federal funding, grant money, business profits, grants. Consider covid-19 "science", and the corruption that continues to exist in the "science" of medicine. The "scientific theories" that emerge in man's quest to eliminate God, know no boundaries. And since the recognition of uncertainty in measurements, all religion is at risk. Now we deal with probabilities, second- or third- or fourth-hand "measures" of unobservables and immeasurables, and consider ourselves to be knowledgeable, even in a cloud of unknowing.

Truth and knowledge and the essentials of Life and Love are found in the mystical, not in the natural but in the supernatural sciences.

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Lady Bug said:

Hmm. Maybe the death applied to animals but not humans? I don't know. I hate it when I don't know how to answer something.

Or one could ask if dinos were real, lol, but that would cause an uproar.

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Michie said:

Jimmy Akin:

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Cosmic Charlie said:

How about this:

We interpret Scripture as mostly philosophical, allegorical and, at times, fanciful and not historical.

There's a high probability that nothing recorded is Exodus exactly occurred. There is absolutely not evidence of it, and it's historical timeline is off by several hundred years. Oh, and Moses? Likely a made up guy.

That doesn't mean Exodus is any less the foundational document of Judeo-Christian society. Cause it is.

It's just a parable, not a recording of historical facts. Which actual makes it more profound, if you think about it.

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Lady Bug said:

Wouldn't that mean that the genealogy that connects Adam to Jesus is not real? That would also mean Jesus was never real.

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Michie said:

Jimmy Akin:

Oh, no. I regularly point out whenever I touch on this topic, that whether or not the earth is young and whether or not evolution happened are matters that the church has ruled to be not matters of faith, but matters of science. And so properly speaking, the church doesn’t have a teaching on those questions and it leaves it up to people using the reason perspective to try to figure out just how old is the universe, just how did various life forms get here. And if someone comes to the conclusion that they think the earth is young, or that they think evolution didn’t happen, then they are not violating church teaching. And so, I go out of my way to make room for Young-Earth Creationists and to support the liberty that they have to hold their opinion. I don’t happen to hold that opinion. And there are costs that as you put it, that one has to bear in adopting that opinion, but it’s not something that makes you a bad Catholic or a bad Christian. And so I don’t look down on people from that perspective. I try to support them.

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