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We (the US) are not supporting a terrorist state. At least so far we are not.The US government does not support Hamas, but "a negotiated two-state solution will continue to be a core U.S. policy objective."
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We (the US) are not supporting a terrorist state. At least so far we are not.The US government does not support Hamas, but "a negotiated two-state solution will continue to be a core U.S. policy objective."
This would be news to me! My understanding is that at the beginning of this conflict, Israel did pretty much close down all traffic in and out of Gaza. Later on, through much outside pressure, they allowed humanitarian aid to come into Gaza through Rafah and other limited points. When the "aid providers" got things together, they loaded up semi-trucks and presented convoys at Rafah for inspection. After that, elements of Hamas interfered with the aid in various ways... I understand that the WFP and UNRWA are supposed to be the ones handling distribution, but there are too many reports that say that is Hamas that basically controls it, all for me to ignore. There has also been too much intel that shows UN collaboration with Hamas, in several different areas, and from times long before this latest war and so that's the mindset that I'm looking at the current situation.It is reasonably clear that Israel and the IDF have exercised a deal of control over the flow of aid. Aid into the Gaza Strip comes either through Israel or the Raffa Crossing which has been largely closed. A large percentage of the population of the Gaza Strip are refugees and Internally displaced persons. that means that the needs are high and the resources are small. This has opened the IDF to a charge of using the restriction of humanitarian aid as a weapon. As Palestine has no sovereignty, and offers of them having a state have always excluded sovereignty (the rights to secure borders and raise taxes) this means that the Raffa Crossing is a matter between Israel and Egypt.
I guess that I understand most of this and agree with it. And sympathize with counties that are heavy handed with freedom of the press.My concern for a free press is that is foundational, and I accept that we don't need to be told everything, when Government decide what we are to be told we are more likely to be deceived. Generally, totalitarian states are marked by significant restrictions on freedom of the press. One of the virtues of the 1st amendment to the US Constitution is that this is guaranteed. We don't have it guaranteed in Australia and at times we have had to fight for it, and in the end, it is the self-imprisonment of the press in a woke mindset that has provided the greatest risk to freedom of the press.
I had a laugh at this one... and am inclined to agree. I'm not fully onboard in regard to Dispensationalism.Genesis 17:8
And I will give to you, and to your offspring after you, the land where you are now an alien, all the land of Canaan, for a perpetual holding; and I will be their God.’
My point is that there were many offspring of Abraham who had children by three women, and the promised land as such is not the exclusive possession of only part of the family.
It never left running things like who can travel etc etc That is oppression.They werent oppressed. Israel left the area in 2006.
How would the 700,000 plus people who left around 1948 NOT consider their lands and homes and groves their property?Interesting video. Obviously shot and commented on from the side of the Palastinians.
I do understand their point if view. Of someone came in and took over my town and home I'd be very upset. I'm sure the native Americans were very upset. And I understand how they would consider it their home and their house and their town. I would.
The Balfour declaration suggested sharing the land I heard. Not giving it all to Jewish immigrants.But this isn't about understanding. It's about reality. And in reality it wasn't theirs. It was the Ottomans and then the British. And then the UN gave it to the Israelis.
The people most attacked now are whites and Christians it seems.The thing is if the Native Americans were STILL attacking out of their nations and striking at civilians through whatever means, then I would expect the US government to do what is necessary to put a stop to it.
Or visa verso. As for the bible that says the next time God gives that land to believing Jews will be after He returns. Until then, you have zero right to steal anything.It's time the Palestinians wake up and realize Israel is there to stay.
Then they should get along with and love their neighbours, rather than mistreat them and wonder why they attack.Just like we are in the US. And the only way to survive and make things better is to recognize that and stop attacking Israel.
By the same token Israel in Gaza are not freedom fighters but mass murdering terrorists.If the Palestinians would have done that a long time ago then they wouldn't be in the mess they are in. These aren't freedom fighters they are terrorists. Terrorists who want not to be free, but to destroy Israel. Which has always been the goal of the Palestinians.
Ask yourself whyAfter Israel took the land given to them the Palestinians could have settled on the next 20 years on setting up thier own state. Instead they wanted to get rid of Israel.
Tough, everyone needs land.Could Israel done things differently in 1948? Sure. I don't think they handled it well. But truth be told they needed the land for the incoming Jews.
Take the hint then. You have no right to steal it.If the Palestinians refused to give the land then there would have been no place for their nation.
They seem to think Israel is losing. The world is waking up to what is going on there. Almost every nation on earth is against it.And I understand the fight to keep the land. I got it.
But they lost. Give it up already.
They have an outdoor prison barbed wire and restrictions. Now Israel has destroyed that as well and starved and deprived them. No wonder the world court is preparing to take action on their leaders.They have their own land. Make something of it.
That is foolishness. They are an oppressed people fighting back. As for the terrorists among them, unless you can arrest them, leave the women and children in Gaza alone.The whole reason they are in the current situation they are in is because they absolutely refused to do so. They would rather spend their energy and efforts and money on attacking a nation that isn't going anywhere. It's folly. And they are reaping the whirlwind for it.
You are defending HamasIt never left running things like who can travel etc etc That is oppression.
How would the 700,000 plus people who left around 1948 NOT consider their lands and homes and groves their property?
The Balfour declaration suggested sharing the land I heard. Not giving it all to Jewish immigrants.
The people most attacked now are whites and Christians it seems.
Or visa verso. As for the bible that says the next time God gives that land to believing Jews will be after He returns. Until then, you have zero right to steal anything.
Then they should get along with and love their neighbours, rather than mistreat them and wonder why they attack.
By the same token Israel in Gaza are not freedom fighters but mass murdering terrorists.
Ask yourself why
Tough, everyone needs land.
Take the hint then. You have no right to steal it.
They seem to think Israel is losing. The world is waking up to what is going on there. Almost every nation on earth is against it.
They have an outdoor prison barbed wire and restrictions. Now Israel has destroyed that as well and starved and deprived them. No wonder the world court is preparing to take action on their leaders.
That is foolishness. They are an oppressed people fighting back. As for the terrorists among them, unless you can arrest them, leave the women and children in Gaza alone.
To support a state at this point is to support a terrorist state!
At this point Palestine is a terrorist stateThat makes no sense.
At this point the US is not supporting Palestinian statehoodMany countries, including the U.S., support a two state policy....and have for decades.
Which at this point does not exist.The challenge for the International community will be to create a state in which the security of both Israel and the Palestinian people is achieved.
No I said arrest the terrorists. (but do not kill the women and children in a city to do so) Are you defending Israel's genocide/mass murder/terrorism??You are defending Hamas
Well you just go in there and try that. Israel will continue to take out the terrorists, and their supporters.No I said arrest the terrorists.
Go ahead and try it. See how that works out for ya?(but do not kill the women and children in a city to do so) Are you defending Israel's genocide/mass murder/terrorism??
Wrong, it was only for the descendants of Abraham and Sarah. It did not apply to his other women.My point is that there were many offspring of Abraham who had children by three women, and the promised land as such is not the exclusive possession of only part of the family.
Then why the continued talk of two states? And what government dies Palestine have? What are it's borders? Where's its governing body, what are it's laws?The State of Palestine is recognized as a UN non-member observer state.
Then this would include Palestinian Christians. They have maintained a continuous presence in Palestine since the first century, and many of the Christians in the first century would have been Jews and Israelites who converted to Christianity and would be lineal descendants of Isaac. In addition to the Palestinian Christians, there would also be non-Christian and non-Jewish Palestinians who would also be able to trace their lineage to the Kingdom of Israel who would be decendants of Isaac.Wrong, it was only for the descendants of Abraham and Sarah. It did not apply to his other women.
Genesis 17:8Wrong, it was only for the descendants of Abraham and Sarah. It did not apply to his other women.
That is demonizing a population by calling them 'supporters'. They are a terrorized population. Terrorized by Israel.Well you just go in there and try that. Israel will continue to take out the terrorists, and their supporters.
If you can't go ahead and get the guilty ones, that is no excuse to mass murder people.Go ahead and try it. See how that works out for ya?
They support their terrorist leaders.That is demonizing a population by calling them 'supporters'. They are a terrorized population. Terrorized by Israel.
Then, go rescue them from their leaders.If you can't go ahead and get the guilty ones, that is no excuse to mass murder people.
I just showed you that the US supports a two state solution. wing2000 is correct that this has been the continuous policy of the US for decades.At this point the US is not supporting Palestinian statehood
The Palestinian Authority.And what government dies Palestine have?
It claims the Israeli-Occupied Territories of the West Bank and Gaza. But the Israeli Occupation prevents them from having any real jurisdiction over that area. This is why there is a need for a two-state solution, including the drawing of borders agreed to by both sides. The most practical solutions seem to involve "pre-1967 borders with land swaps".What are it's borders?
The Wikipedia article is quite extensive.Where's its governing body, what are it's laws?