WTC 9/11 to prepare the stage for the 2nd Beast of Revelation

parousia70 · Oct 30, 2023

Oseas said:
To understand what "the Apostles meant when they said [by the Spirit of GOD] it would come to pass place shortly" , before of all it is necessary to have the Spirit of GOD, of course. Peter Apostle said: "Be not ignorant of this one thing,...a thousand years is with the Lord as one Day, so, it has passed only two days until now, for the everlasting Spirit of GOD the period of two Days are as a blink of an eye, understand?

And to understand what Servant78 meant is necessary to have discernment of spirit, if it is GOD's Spirit or spirit of MAN, a human spirit like the spirit within you, or even if it is a spirit of demon-1Timothy 4:1-2. What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD-John 1:1, self-executable. "What man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of MAN which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD"- 1Corinthians 2:11.

By your words you confess that you do not discern either one or the other. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumbling block, not from GOD's pespective.
By the way, remember what my Lord JESUS said after His resurrection, let say almost 2000 years ago, being Him at the right hand of the Father: Revelation 1:1- The Revelation of JESUS Christ, which GOD gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which MUST SHORTLY come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John; (and unto us too).
But there are a number of prophecies from the Apocalypse that still remain to be fulfilled in the predicted shortly period of time as it was revealed by JESUS almost 2000 years ago, understand?

Once a thousand years is as one Day with the Lord ...

Ok, so when Jesus, who is God, said:

So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!
Matthew 24:33

By your discernment of spirit, you are suggesting I should interpret this to mean:

"So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors to God but still thousands of years away for men because a thousand years is as one Day with the Lord"

Do I have that right?

Also, in order to avoid the stumbling block of my human perspective, if "near" = over 1000 years, then how long would you say "not near" is to God?:

“I see Him, but not now; I behold Him, but not near; A Star shall come out of Jacob; A Scepter shall rise out of Israel, And batter the brow of Moab, And destroy all the sons of tumult. (Numbers 24:17)

Is a Million years "not near" to God? A Billion? Some other number?

As my limited understanding has informed me, This is a Prophesy speaking of the Advent of Christ, however It was only about 1400 years between when this was written and the Advent of Christ, and, I now know from your discernment above that it's impossible for 1400 years to be "not near" to God, so It must be some other length of time, or this prophesy must not be about Christ's advent at all.

Please enlighten us with your spirit filled, discerned perspectve of this passage and How long "not near" is to God..

Oseas · Oct 30, 2023

parousia70 said:
Ok, so when Jesus, who is God, said:

So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!
Matthew 24:33

By your discernment of spirit, you are suggesting I should interpret this to mean:

"So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors to God but still thousands of years away for men because a thousand years is as one Day with the Lord"

Do I have that right?

Also, in order to avoid the stumbling block of my human perspective, if "near" = over 1000 years, then how long would you say "not near" is to God?:

“I see Him, but not now; I behold Him, but not near; A Star shall come out of Jacob; A Scepter shall rise out of Israel, And batter the brow of Moab, And destroy all the sons of tumult. (Numbers 24:17)

Is a Million years "not near" to God? A Billion? Some other number?

As my limited understanding has informed me, This is a Prophesy speaking of the Advent of Christ, however It was only about 1400 years between when this was written and the Advent of Christ, and, I now know from your discernment above that it's impossible for 1400 years to be "not near" to God, so It must be some other length of time, or this prophesy must not be about Christ's advent at all.

Please enlighten us with your spirit filled, discerned perspectve of this passage and How long "not near" is to God..

First, by my discernment I did not and do not interpret Mattew 24:33 as you surreptitiously meant it with the spirit of the lie, saying that I meant it according to your devilish interpretation. You meant that, not me.

In His sermon on the Mount Olives JESUS was talking exactly about the time of His coming, and also about several very terrible EVENTS that would precede His return, saying:

First, by my discernment I did not and do not interpret Mattew 24:33 as you surreptitiously meant it with the spirit of the lie, saying that I meant it according to your devilish interpretation.

In His sermon on the Mount Olives JESUS was talking exactly about the time of His coming, and also about several very terrible EVENTS that would precede His return.

By the way, JESUS made it very clear (Matthew 24:27) that "just as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the COMING of the Son of man be". So, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near -the return of JESUS is near- , even at the doors.
Having said this, my brothers in Christ can see that when JESUS said "know that it is near", IT WILL NOT BE AS YOU SAID ERRONEOUSLY BY THE SPIRIT OF LYING, i.e. "all these things, —at the doors to God, but still thousands of years away for men".

You should know that what JESUS said about the time of His coming, He meant that it would happen in the seventh and last Day,the LORD's Day (John 11:23-24), or seventh and last millennium after Adam, NEVER as you said "still thousands of years away for men". I must say that if you be not within GOD's Kingdom from now until thousands of years as you mentioned, then thousands of years from now you already will certainly be in the burning lake of fire and brimstone long ago even in eternal punishment.

JESUS shall say unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye CURSED, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his messengers. These shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Be careful or then Get ready

parousia70 · Oct 31, 2023

Oseas said:
First, by my discernment I did not and do not interpret Mattew 24:33 as you surreptitiously meant it with the spirit of the lie, saying that I meant it according to your devilish interpretation.

You are the one who said "near" is thousands of years away, not me.
It's your interpretation, NOT MINE.
I'm simply testing your consistency. Apparently you have none, so it's no surprise you are running away as fast as you can form the very interpretation you previously insisted upon.

Oseas said:
By the way, JESUS made it very clear (Matthew 24:27) that "just as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the COMING of the Son of man be". So, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near -the return of JESUS is near- , even at the doors.

Is it your position that James was unaware of Jesus words here?

Surely James KNEW that Jesus would NOT be near and at the doors Until all the signs were seen.

Yet here we have James claiming exactly that in James 5:8-9:

8 You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord’s coming is near. 9 Don’t grumble against one another, brothers and sisters, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!

Weird. I guess you believe James wasn't as spirit filled in his discernment as you are.

Oseas said:
Having said this, my brothers in Christ can see that when JESUS said "know that it is near", IT WILL NOT BE AS YOU SAID ERRONEOUSLY BY THE SPIRIT OF LYING, i.e. "all these things, —at the doors to God, but still thousands of years away for men".

How long is NOT NEAR to God? (Numbers 24:17)

Why are you avoiding answering that?

Oseas · Oct 31, 2023

parousia70 said:
You are the one who said "near" is thousands of years away, not me.
It's your interpretation, NOT MINE.
I'm simply testing your consistency. Apparently you have none, so it's no surprise you are running away as fast as you can form the very interpretation you previously insisted upon.

The beginning of this discussion was on Matthew 24:33 when JESUS was speaking, explaining and revealing unto His disciples, and to His people -His Church- until this current time, saying that in the time of His return, i.e. of His coming-Matthew 24:27-, there would be several signs in this future time of His coming, and between the SIGNS of His coming and the DAY of His coming, day 1335 Daniel 12:12, there would be a short gap, understand? and He would be at the door. It's that what I meant.
In fact, the foolish virgins do not understand the things that are of GOD although they have lamp-the Word of GOD-, and the foolish are not prepared to meet the bridgroom, all of them are lost.

parousia70 said:
Is it your position that James was unaware of Jesus words here?

Surely James KNEW that Jesus would NOT be near and at the doors Until all the signs were seen.

Yet here we have James claiming exactly that in James 5:8-9:

8 You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord’s coming is near. 9 Don’t grumble against one another, brothers and sisters, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!

Weird. I guess you believe James wasn't as spirit filled in his discernment as you are.

It was not James who said that but the Holy Spirit. There are three that testifies in heaven, the Father-the Word-, and the Word-the Word made flesh-JESUS, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One-1John 5:7. The testimony of GOD is greater than yours, I'm not doing any comparison, for your testimony is fake like the one in Genesis 3:1 was false.
Satan does not understand the things of GOD, only the things of men, in fact there is not Truth in your reply. No surprise, "for out of the heart proceed false witness, evil thoughts, blasphemies, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, which defile a man.

About James I do not believe according as you said that I believe, and you suggest I believe that, what is also from your fake.
Your guessings or the evil suppositions of your brain are nothing more than devilish trap.
Now, even now, and from now on, Satan will be cast down into the bottomless pit that he should deceive the nations no more.

parousia70 said:
How long is NOT NEAR to God? (Numbers 24:17)

Why are you avoiding answering that?

I am not avoiding anything, I entered in this discussion with your evil spirit after having read your satanic post #23 trying to confound and deceive my brother in Christ, Servant 78.

You believe there is a God, ok, you does well: the demons also believe, so where is your advantage once being compared with the demons?

2 Corinthians 11:12-15
12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers (MINISTERS OF SATAN) also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Jipsah · Nov 1, 2023

Oseas said:
Oseas said:

First, by my discernment I did not and do not interpret Mattew 24:33 as you surreptitiously meant it with the spirit of the lie, saying that I meant it according to your devilish interpretation. You meant that, not me.

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Dang,mate, get a grip! That kind of ranting was uncalled for!
BTW, here's what surreptitious means:

surreptitious /sûr″əp-tĭsh′əs/

adjective

Obtained, done, or made by clandestine or stealthy means. synonym: secret.
Similar: secret

Oseas said:
Oseas said:

In His sermon on the Mount Olives JESUS was talking exactly about the time of His coming, and also about several very terrible EVENTS that would precede His return

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Who was He talking to? His disciples who asked Him a question? Or had He turned to address a future audience?

In addition, did any of those actually present see any of the things He said happen?

Oseas said:
Oseas said:

First, by my discernment I did not and do not interpret Mattew 24:33 as you surreptitiously meant it

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Some of us may not set as much store by your discernment as you do; just sayin

Oseas said:
Oseas said:

with the spirit of the lie, saying that I meant it according to your devilish interpretation.

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The personal insults are really uncalled for.

Oseas said:
Oseas said:

You should know that what JESUS said about the time of His coming, He meant that it would happen in the seventh and last Day,the LORD's Day (John 11:23-24), or seventh and last millennium after Adam

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He didn't say that, did He?

Oseas · Nov 1, 2023

Jipsah said:
Dang,mate, get a grip! That kind of ranting was uncalled for!
BTW, here's what surreptitious means:

surreptitious /sûr″əp-tĭsh′əs/

adjective

Obtained, done, or made by clandestine or stealthy means. synonym: secret.
Similar: secret

The spirit of Devil really is stealthy, as happened in Genesis 3. I know his surreptitious behavior, and tricks and traps.

Jipsah said:
Who was He talking to? His disciples who asked Him a question? Or had He turned to address a future audience?

Who said this?Matthew 24- Immediately AFTER the tribulation, they - the GOD's people - shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Jipsah said:
In addition, did any of those actually present see any of the things He said happen?

The disciples were with JESUS and asked Him privately, saying: Tell us, when shall these things be,
and
1 - What shall be the SIGN of thy coming?

2 - and of the END of the world?--> (The world of Devil)

JESUS preliminarily listed several things- Matthew 24:4-8 and added other things -verses 9-15 and 21-24; and WARNED: Behold, I have told you before-verse 25.
TAKE A LOOK.

Jipsah said:
Some of us may not set as much store by your discernment as you do; just sayin

Don't worry. But you should speak by your ownself not by others, trying stealthly to include others in this your false testimony.

Jipsah said:
The personal insults are really uncalled for.

There is not any insult in the battle against the deceiving spirit, the worst is that that he already have heard when was CURSED by GOD around 6000 years ago.

Jipsah said:
He didn't say that, did He?

Yes, He said, but to understand what my Lord JESUS said or even what He meant between the lines, first of all it is necessary to have the Spirit of Him, understand? If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. --> And is lost for ever.

The Word is GOD, self-executing.

Jipsah · Nov 1, 2023

Oseas said:
The spirit of Devil really is stealthy, as happened in Genesis 3. I know his surreptitious behavior, and tricks and traps.

And attribute them to anyone who disagrees with you. That's rubbish.

Oseas said:
Who said this?Matthew 24- Immediately AFTER the tribulation, they - the GOD's people - shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

"After the tribulation" is your own addition, typical of those who have a doctrinal ax to grind. Just add to Scripture what you want it to say.

Oseas said:
There is not any insult in the battle against the deceiving spirit, the worst is that that he already have heard when was CURSED by GOD around 6000 years ago.

So you jusat feel free to insult anyonewho doesn't accept your line of your line of doctrinal balderdash, right? Well, I guess if that's all you've got...

Oseas said:
Yes, He said, but to understand what my Lord JESUS said or even what He meant between the lines

Especially what He "meant between the lines" , right? That's the part you get to make up yourself.

Oseas said:
, first of all it is necessary to have the Spirit of Him, understand? If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. --> And is lost for ever.

And you get to decide who is and who ain't. Sweet.

Oseas said:
The Word is GOD, self-executing.

Whatever that means.

Oseas · Nov 1, 2023

Jipsah said:
And attribute them to anyone who disagrees with you. That's rubbish.

The true believers wrestle not against flesh and blood, understand? But against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against principalities. It is no great thing if ministers of Satan be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose END shall be according to their works - understand?

Jipsah said:
"After the tribulation" is your own addition, typical of those who have a doctrinal ax to grind. Just add to Scripture what you want it to say.

The Word is GOD, self-executing, and is a lamp, understand? No surprise in your reply through the satanic spirit of the father of the Jews-John 8:44-45-the father of lie.

JESUS left very clear saying: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days...the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man...coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" - Matthew 24:29-30.
The problem is that your lamp went out as the lamp of a foolish virgin, even now in this current turn of a new GOD's Day, i.e. the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium.

Jipsah said:
So you jusat feel free to insult anyonewho doesn't accept your line of your line of doctrinal balderdash, right? Well, I guess if that's all you've got...

It is not the case, what matters and prevails is what my Lod JESUS said, understand? He said: I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumbling block, not from GOD's perspective-Matthew 16:22-23. Take a look.

Jipsah said:
Especially what He "meant between the lines" , right? That's the part you get to make up yourself.

As all can see by your words above, the spirit of darkness knows not what is right, of course. It is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD has prepared for them that LOVE Him, understand? But GOD has revealed them unto us -unto the true believers- by His Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the DEEP things of GOD.

Jipsah said:
And you get to decide who is and who ain't. Sweet.

I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, understand? The Word of GOD is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged Sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we must render an account.

Jipsah said:
Whatever that means.

You know not what that means, for your lamp has been out for a long time. The true believers know that whosoever is born of GOD -the Word is GOD- , is begotten of GOD and keeps himself, and the wicked one touches him not. Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of GOD.

Get ready

Jipsah · Nov 1, 2023

Oseas said:
The true believers wrestle not against flesh and blood, understand?

Yeah, I've read that Scripture myself. And you're proving to me that you know it as well, or what?

Oseas said:
It is no great thing if ministers of Satan be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose END shall be according to their works - understand?

Are you confessing or accusing?

Oseas said:
The Word is GOD, self-executing

What "self executing" supposed to mean?

Oseas said:
No surprise in your reply through the satanic spirit of the father of the Jews

Sorry mate, but name calling is stupid. If you have an argument to make,make it. Belay the "oh yeah? you s*ck!" crud. It ill behooves you.

Oseas said:
JESUS left very clear saying: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..

OK, different translations. I'll give you that one. But the "nyah nyah" crud is still crud.

Oseas said:
the problem is that your lamp went out as the lamp of a foolish virgin

Nah, the primary problem is that you can't keep a civil tongue in your head. If you have anything to say at all it's lost in your loutish tone.

Oseas said:
, even now in this current turn of a new GOD's Day, i.e. the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium.

So you say. I say rubbish.

Oseas said:
It is not the case, what matters and prevails is what my Lod JESUS said, understand?

Jesus didn't say anything about the "7th millenium." That's all your idea.

Oseas said:
He said: I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions

He also said "Take, eat, this is My Body". Understand?

Oseas said:
As all can see by your words above, the spirit of darkness knows not what is right, of course.

All can see by your words is that you can't carry on a civil discussion.

Oseas said:
It is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD has prepared for them that LOVE Him, understand?

Understand that it has nothing whatsoever with your spurious doctrine?

Oseas said:
But GOD has revealed them unto us -unto the true believers- by His Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the DEEP things of GOD.

Sorry, but I don't see any reason to believe that God has revealed anything to you at all. Understand?

Oseas said:
You know not what that means, for your lamp has been out for a long time.

I don't see any evidence you have a lamp at all, lit or otherwise. Understand?

Oseas said:
Get ready

As ever was.

Oseas · Nov 2, 2023

Jipsah said:
Yeah, I've read that Scripture myself. And you're proving to me that you know it as well, or what?

Judge for yourself

Jipsah said:
Are you confessing or accusing?

My Lord JESUS said: I know whom I have chosen-John 13:18
Have not I chosen you twelve? and one of you is a devil. John 6:70

Jipsah said:
What "self executing" supposed to mean?

self-executable. The Word is GOD, self-executable.

Jipsah said:
Sorry mate, but name calling is stupid. If you have an argument to make,make it. Belay the "oh yeah? you s*ck!" crud. It ill behooves you.

Now, now, what does the Word of GOD say? If any man defile the temple of GOD, him shall GOD destroy. The Word is GOD, self-executable.

Jipsah said:
OK, different translations. I'll give you that one. But the "nyah nyah" crud is still crud.

My Lord JESUS said: By thy words thou shall be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned-Matthew 12:37.

Jipsah said:
Nah, the primary problem is that you can't keep a civil tongue in your head. If you have anything to say at all it's lost in your loutish tone.

For he that has shewed no mercy; shall have Judgment without mercy. James 2:13

Jipsah said:
So you say. I say rubbish.
Jesus didn't say anything about the "7th millenium." That's all your idea.

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Jipsah said:
He also said "Take, eat, this is My Body". Understand?

But there was a betrayer among them: Matthew 26:21-23; 21 - And as they did eat, JESUS said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. Unfortunately, today there are countless betrayers.

Jipsah said:
All can see by your words is that you can't carry on a civil discussion.

The Word is GOD, self-executable, and "there is no respect of persons with GOD". Romans 2:11.

Jipsah said:
Understand that it has nothing whatsoever with your spurious doctrine?

You are being judged by the Word of GOD, understand? The Word is GOD, understand? John 1:1

Jipsah said:
Sorry, but I don't see any reason to believe that God has revealed anything to you at all. Understand?

John 3:31-34 - 31 ... he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven(Ephesians 1:3)is above all.

Jipsah said:
I don't see any evidence you have a lamp at all, lit or otherwise. Understand?

Sure, I understand, for the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of GOD, should shine unto them.

Jipsah said:
As ever was.

Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance:
but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.Matthew 25:29

Get ready

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