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Is SF the worst-run city in America? New ranking argues it is

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I think that there's a takeaway here...it's that "one-party rule" isn't good whether it's on the left or the right.

Left-wing areas need a "right-leaning" filter to run their ideas through, and vice versa.
 
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I think that there's a takeaway here...it's that "one-party rule" isn't good whether it's on the left or the right.

Left-wing areas need a "right-leaning" filter to run their ideas through, and vice versa.
as someone who lives in CA and would drive to SF often for my job, it feels spiritually dirty and i never have a good feeling when i'm there. All i think is "when will i get out i want to get away get me out"
 
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I think that there's a takeaway here...it's that "one-party rule" isn't good whether it's on the left or the right.

Left-wing areas need a "right-leaning" filter to run their ideas through, and vice versa.
One could expand this and simply say all blue states and blue cities have horrible policies that result in horrible states and cities.
It is a testament to the failure of leftist ideologies.
It is the goal of the left to eliminate all right parties. They consider every one to the right of them to be fascist, sexist, racist, white supremacist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic, on and on. There is no compromise or middle ground with the left. And it will never be enough. It is their way or the high way. The left must have division and hate to grow. Eventually everyone will be an evil entity that needs to be erased. It is destructive and self destructive. It will eventually just consume itself.
 
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One could expand this and simply say all blue states and blue cities have horrible policies that result in horrible states and cities.

Yep, and that's why no one chooses to live in the most populous parts of each state.
 
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One could expand this and simply say all blue states and blue cities have horrible policies that result in horrible states and cities.
It is a testament to the failure of leftist ideologies.
It is the goal of the left to eliminate all right parties. They consider every one to the right of them to be fascist, sexist, racist, white supremacist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic, on and on. There is no compromise or middle ground with the left. And it will never be enough. It is their way or the high way. The left must have division and hate to grow. Eventually everyone will be an evil entity that needs to be erased. It is destructive and self destructive. It will eventually just consume itself.
It largely depends on the city/state we're talking about.

It's not that all blue cities and states have terrible policies, it's that there's no filter in some places, which is why you see some terrible outcomes in places that have "super majorities" but a low number of moderates to act as a filter.

Some of the New England states are pretty "blue", yet they're not seeing the same types of things you see in places like SF, Chicago, or California.

Take Vermont for instance:
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It's a pretty blue state in terms of party breakdown, but a lot of the democrats are more moderate there, and they also have a moderate republican governor as the "filter" who uses his veto power on occasion.
 
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as someone who lives in CA and would drive to SF often for my job, it feels spiritually dirty and i never have a good feeling when i'm there. All i think is "when will i get out i want to get away get me out"
When you're getting out, watch your step... You don't want to track poop into your car on your shoes.
 
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One could expand this and simply say all blue states and blue cities have horrible policies that result in horrible states and cities.
It is a testament to the failure of leftist ideologies.
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Hard to generalize. Plenty of deep red states are pretty terrible too, judging by most quality of life indicators.
 
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Yep, and that's why no one chooses to live in the most populous parts of each state.
Yet, politicians in California fight to make every city just like San Francisco, by forcing already populated cities to add more, and more housing. Even in the form of ADU's in the backyards.

...Meanwhile, Antelope Valley, only an hour outside of LA, remains a barren land of 3,000 Square miles (1,920,000 Acres).

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Yet, politicians in California fight to make every city just like San Francisco, by forcing already populated cities to add more, and more housing. Even in the form of ADU's in the backyards.

...Meanwhile, Antelope Valley, only an hour outside of LA, remains a barren land of 3,000 Square miles (1,920,000 Acres).

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People don’t want to live in Antelope Valley and commute an hour minimum each way.

Edit to add: It would already be heavily developed if it was desirable.
 
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Yet, politicians in California fight to make every city just like San Francisco, by forcing already populated cities to add more, and more housing. Even in the form of ADU's in the backyards.

...Meanwhile, Antelope Valley, only an hour outside of LA, remains a barren land of 3,000 Square miles (1,920,000 Acres).

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There's just the small problem of Antelope Valley being a desert with practically zero access to water (spring superbloom photos notwithstanding). Temps are frequently well over 100 in the summer - it's really not a pleasant place to live. Also, it's more like an hour and a half to downtown LA with no traffic - and there's always traffic.
 
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People don’t want to live in Antelope Valley and commute an hour minimum each way.

Edit to add: It would already be heavily developed if it was desirable.
Phoenix was never a desirable land. But innovative minds made it desirable.

...In the meantime, the state continues to ignore middle class working people, while focusing almost entirely on assistance to immigrants, and the extreme poor.

If it weren't for the housing bubble, and already established middle-classers profiting almost entirely off real estate, this ship would have already sunk... Maybe that's the real reason why they refuse to expand properly.
 
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...But what happens once all the middle classers sell and buy elsewhere to get more for their money? That's what's happening!

And there will be no middle class at all. And that's what we have.
 
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Soon enough, the only people looking to fill the void of the middle class worker exodus, will be foreign immigrants, acting as 'scabs', for what once was a thriving state.

As we see.

And San Francisco sits as the model, for the future of the entire state unless something drastically changes.
 
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There's just the small problem of Antelope Valley being a desert with practically zero access to water (spring superbloom photos notwithstanding). Temps are frequently well over 100 in the summer - it's really not a pleasant place to live. Also, it's more like an hour and a half to downtown LA with no traffic - and there's always traffic.
Carve a road with some tunnels through Angeles National forest. Use the Army Corp. of engineers.

There, we can build a middle class, stronghold. Bring retail, industry, and lowered taxes to nurse-feed it into prosperity for the future.
 
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Phoenix was never a desirable land. But innovative minds made it desirable.
Phoenix has a river (the Salt River at least used to have consistent flow year-round) and was originally founded as an agricultural town. It absolutely started out as "desirable land", especially by desert standards. It wasn't until post-WWII that it really took off - the current issues with the city largely stem from its very rapid growth. The huge expanse of concrete and asphalt creates a "heat island" that bumps the temperature up significantly and the city's growth has outstripped its water supply. The Antelope Valley has no reliable water supply to begin with, so nothing can ever really get started there
If it weren't for the housing bubble, and already established middle-classers profiting almost entirely off real estate, this ship would have already sunk... Maybe that's the real reason why they refuse to expand properly.
People have tried to build housing in the Antelope Valley - there are plenty of suburban developments out in the desert, especially at the bottom of Cajon Pass. Turns out people just don't want to live there.
Carve a road with some tunnels through Angeles National forest. Use the Army Corp. of engineers.
Roads already exist, and the geology of the San Gabriel/San Bernardino Mountains does not lend itself to safe or cost-effective tunnel construction.
 
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The Antelope Valley has no reliable water supply to begin with, so nothing can ever really get started there
False. Antelope Valley already gets water from the State Aqueduct, which comes from the Sierra Nevada mountains. Groundwater is also available.
 
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People have tried to build housing in the Antelope Valley - there are plenty of suburban developments out in the desert, especially at the bottom of Cajon Pass. Turns out people just don't want to live there.
That can be changed. People want retail, shopping and fine dining. When you expand, you include all these things.
 
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Roads already exist, and the geology of the San Gabriel/San Bernardino Mountains does not lend itself to safe or cost-effective tunnel coconstruction.
What about building bridges between mountain peaks, or mountainsides? I'm sure the current roads could be improved on, by being made straighter, to reduce travel times.

...It would be cheaper than billion dollar bullet train projects in the past, and a lot more useful.
 
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