Biden’s Energy Secretary Says ‘We Can All Learn From China’ On Climate Policy

Valletta · Mar 12, 2023

“And no matter what country you’re a member of, the countries all are susceptible to pressure, to peer pressure, they don’t want to be the outlier — I mean, there’s a couple of countries that we know are outliers and don’t care — but — but, I think China has done — has been very sensitive, and has actually invested a lot in their solutions, to achieve their goals,” Granholm continued. “So we’re — we’re hopeful that, you know, we can all learn from what China is doing, but the amount of money that they’re investing in clean energy is actually you know, encouraging.”

Biden’s Energy Secretary Says ‘We Can All Learn From China’ On Climate Policy

Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said Friday that everyone could “learn from” China when it came to climate policy while speaking at the South by Southwest

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To me this is the biggest problem with the American left, they idolize the Godless communist countries and seemingly have no idea of the corruption, cruelty and inhumanity that goes on in these communist countries.

Pommer · Mar 12, 2023

Valletta said:
“And no matter what country you’re a member of, the countries all are susceptible to pressure, to peer pressure, they don’t want to be the outlier — I mean, there’s a couple of countries that we know are outliers and don’t care — but — but, I think China has done — has been very sensitive, and has actually invested a lot in their solutions, to achieve their goals,” Granholm continued. “So we’re — we’re hopeful that, you know, we can all learn from what China is doing, but the amount of money that they’re investing in clean energy is actually you know, encouraging.”

Biden’s Energy Secretary Says ‘We Can All Learn From China’ On Climate Policy

Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said Friday that everyone could “learn from” China when it came to climate policy while speaking at the South by Southwest

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To me this is the biggest problem with the American left, they idolize the Godless communist countries and seemingly have no idea of the corruption, cruelty and inhumanity that goes on in these communist countries.

Can countries which are adversarial to the United States ever have “good” internal policies or is it only black & white? (They’re “the other side” therefore any policy of theirs is “bad”)

iluvatar5150 · Mar 12, 2023

Valletta said:
“And no matter what country you’re a member of, the countries all are susceptible to pressure, to peer pressure, they don’t want to be the outlier — I mean, there’s a couple of countries that we know are outliers and don’t care — but — but, I think China has done — has been very sensitive, and has actually invested a lot in their solutions, to achieve their goals,” Granholm continued. “So we’re — we’re hopeful that, you know, we can all learn from what China is doing, but the amount of money that they’re investing in clean energy is actually you know, encouraging.”

Biden’s Energy Secretary Says ‘We Can All Learn From China’ On Climate Policy

Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said Friday that everyone could “learn from” China when it came to climate policy while speaking at the South by Southwest

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To me this is the biggest problem with the American left, they idolize the Godless communist countries and seemingly have no idea of the corruption, cruelty and inhumanity that goes on in these communist countries.

To me, this is the biggest problem on the American right. Instead of listening to what she said and interpreting it in a way that's reasonable and thoughtful, they look for the most absurd, partisan, rage-fueling smooth-brained interpretation possible. She didn't idolize China or excuse any of their bad behaviors, but that doesn't matter when you're not concerned with truth.

sandman · Mar 12, 2023

iluvatar5150 said:
To me, this is the biggest problem on the American right. Instead of listening to what she said and interpreting it in a way that's reasonable and thoughtful, they look for the most absurd, partisan, rage-fueling smooth-brained interpretation possible. She didn't idolize China or excuse any of their bad behaviors, but that doesn't matter when you're not concerned with truth.

Lets look at truth
https://2017-2021.state.gov/chinas-environmental-abuses-fact-sheet/index.html

BPPLEE · Mar 12, 2023

Pommer said:
Can countries which are adversarial to the United States ever have “good” internal policies or is it only black & white? (They’re “the other side” therefore any policy of theirs is “bad”)

Chinese Coal-based Power Plants

www.wilsoncenter.org

USincognito · Mar 12, 2023

Valletta said:
“And no matter what country you’re a member of, the countries all are susceptible to pressure, to peer pressure, they don’t want to be the outlier — I mean, there’s a couple of countries that we know are outliers and don’t care — but — but, I think China has done — has been very sensitive, and has actually invested a lot in their solutions, to achieve their goals,” Granholm continued. “So we’re — we’re hopeful that, you know, we can all learn from what China is doing, but the amount of money that they’re investing in clean energy is actually you know, encouraging.”

Biden’s Energy Secretary Says ‘We Can All Learn From China’ On Climate Policy

Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said Friday that everyone could “learn from” China when it came to climate policy while speaking at the South by Southwest

trendingpoliticsnews.com

To me this is the biggest problem with the American left, they idolize the Godless communist countries and seemingly have no idea of the corruption, cruelty and inhumanity that goes on in these communist countries.

It's odd how some conservatives are seemingly incapable of posting commentary without bizarre, histrionic verbiage that in no way reflect the sentiment of person they are quoting. How can any honest person think that saying THIS about green energy initiatives:

"we can all learn from what China is doing, but the amount of money that they’re investing in clean energy is actually you know, encouraging.

means that "they idolize the Godless communist countries and seemingly have no idea of the corruption, cruelty and inhumanity that goes on in these communist countries"?
(Bold mine for emphasis)
:scratch:

iluvatar5150 · Mar 12, 2023

sandman said:
Lets look at truth
https://2017-2021.state.gov/chinas-environmental-abuses-fact-sheet/index.html

That’s nice. She was talking about certain kinds of investments that that document doesn’t address.

USincognito said:
It's odd how some conservatives are seemingly incapable of posting commentary without bizarre, histrionic verbiage that in no way reflect the sentiment of person they are quoting. How can any honest person think that saying THIS about green energy initiatives:

"we can all learn from what China is doing, but the amount of money that they’re investing in clean energy is actually you know, encouraging.
means that "they idolize the Godless communist countries and seemingly have no idea of the corruption, cruelty and inhumanity that goes on in these communist countries"?
(Bold mine for emphasis)

Gah, it’s all just so stupid. Folks on the right complain that the educated “elite” don’t take them seriously, while putting out stuff like this and following fraudsters like the pied piper.

BPPLEE · Mar 12, 2023

iluvatar5150 said:
That’s nice. She was talking about certain kinds of investments that that document doesn’t address.

Gah, it’s all just so stupid. Folks on the right complain that the educated “elite” don’t take them seriously, while putting out stuff like this and following fraudsters like the pied piper.

Do you identify as one of the educated elite?

iluvatar5150 · Mar 12, 2023

BPPLEE said:
Do you identify as one of the educated elite?

No, though I enjoy their podcasts and, at least among the educational elite (i.e. not the wealthy) I seem to be able to carry myself well enough in their company.

Bradskii · Mar 12, 2023

Valletta said:
To me this is the biggest problem with the American left, they idolize the Godless communist countries and seemingly have no idea of the corruption, cruelty and inhumanity that goes on in these communist countries.

You'd have to be living under a rock to think that any member of the government is not aware of the problems with China. What on earth did she say that would give you that impression? They're investing in clean energy so...hey, there is no corruption etc? That simply doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It is logically absurd.

IceJad · Mar 12, 2023

Bradskii said:
You'd have to be living under a rock to think that any member of the government is not aware of the problems with China. What on earth did she say that would give you that impression? They're investing in clean energy so...hey, there is no corruption etc? That simply doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It is logically absurd.

What he means is that the amount of investment going into clean energy comes from a not so environmentally or socially friendly place. China has been reducing their pollution level within their own country and making moves into cleaner energy. But that is at the cost of offshoring their polluting ways to other poorer nations like African nations. China has been strip mining a lot of minerals and resources at an environmentally devastating way in Africa so they can achieve their "clean energy" initiative.

If you want to really talk about investing into clean energy then you have no choice but to look into the whole process end to end. The earth climate and ecosystem exist as a whole not fragmented by nations. If you want to adopt the Chinese methodology in clean energy investment by all means. It is actually no different from what many Western countries are already doing now - outsourcing the pollution to another nation. So what is new here to learn pray tell?

Valletta · Mar 12, 2023

Bradskii said:
You'd have to be living under a rock to think that any member of the government is not aware of the problems with China. What on earth did she say that would give you that impression? They're investing in clean energy so...hey, there is no corruption etc? That simply doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It is logically absurd.

I've dealt extensively with U.S. government officials who cow tow to the communist countries. They won't ask tough questions for fear of making waves and go way out of their way to look the other way from the persecution of minorities.

Pommer · Mar 12, 2023

BPPLEE said:
Chinese Coal-based Power Plants

www.wilsoncenter.org

Yes, it’s a wonderful time to be building coal-fired electricity generation facilities because the price is super low because fully developed countries are moving on from coal.
But they have four times the people that we have, they’re still largely agrarian.
It’s like blaming poor people for being poor.

Pommer · Mar 12, 2023

Valletta said:
I've dealt extensively with U.S. government officials who cow tow to the communist countries. They won't ask tough questions for fear of making waves and go way out of their way to look the other way from the persecution of minorities.

You have?

iluvatar5150 · Mar 12, 2023

Valletta said:
I've dealt extensively with U.S. government officials who cow tow to the communist countries. They won't ask tough questions for fear of making waves and go way out of their way to look the other way from the persecution of minorities.

In what capacity have you dealt with these officials?

Bradskii · Mar 13, 2023

IceJad said:
What he means is that the amount of investment going into clean energy comes from a not so environmentally or socially friendly place. China has been reducing their pollution level within their own country and making moves into cleaner energy. But that is at the cost of offshoring their polluting ways to other poorer nations like African nations. China has been strip mining a lot of minerals and resources at an environmentally devastating way in Africa so they can achieve their "clean energy" initiative.

If you want to really talk about investing into clean energy then you have no choice but to look into the whole process end to end. The earth climate and ecosystem exist as a whole not fragmented by nations. If you want to adopt the Chinese methodology in clean energy investment by all means. It is actually no different from what many Western countries are already doing now - outsourcing the pollution to another nation. So what is new here to learn pray tell?

Pray tell? Well, this:

'Nearly half of the world's low-carbon spending took place in China, according to a recent analysis from market research firm BloombergNEF. The country spent $546 billion in 2022 on investments that included solar and wind energy, electric vehicles and batteries.

That is nearly four times the amount of U.S. investments, which totaled $141 billion. The European Union was second to China with $180 billion in clean energy investments.' China Invests $546 Billion in Clean Energy, Far Surpassing the U.S..

If you want to have an argument about the bad aspects of their renewables policies then take it elsewhere. This is a thread about their investments and how they are streets ahead of everyone else (and partly about people trying to make political capital over uncontrovertial comments simply because of who said it).

Bradskii · Mar 13, 2023

Valletta said:
I've dealt extensively with U.S. government officials who cow tow to the communist countries. They won't ask tough questions for fear of making waves and go way out of their way to look the other way from the persecution of minorities.

Fascinating I'm sure.

'U.S. Says China’s Repression of Uighurs Is ‘Genocide’.

The finding by the Trump administration is the strongest denunciation by any government of China’s actions and follows a Biden campaign statement with the same declaration.' U.S. Says China’s Repression of Uighurs Is ‘Genocide’ (Published 2021)

'Since the summit, the Biden administration announced its diplomatic boycott of the Beijing Olympics and added more Chinese companies to its trade restriction list while Congress passed a bill aimed at countering China’s forced labor abuses in Xinjiang.' https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/02/21/why-u.s.-china-relations-are-locked-in-stalemate-pub-86478

Lots of people are quite naive when it comes to politics. Maybe if they read those two links they'd get a better understanding of how relationships operate between two countries.

DaisyDay · Mar 13, 2023

Pommer said:
It’s like blaming poor people for being poor.

That's their stock-in-trade.

IceJad · Mar 13, 2023

Bradskii said:
Pray tell? Well, this:

'Nearly half of the world's low-carbon spending took place in China, according to a recent analysis from market research firm BloombergNEF. The country spent $546 billion in 2022 on investments that included solar and wind energy, electric vehicles and batteries.

That is nearly four times the amount of U.S. investments, which totaled $141 billion. The European Union was second to China with $180 billion in clean energy investments.' China Invests $546 Billion in Clean Energy, Far Surpassing the U.S..

If you want to have an argument about the bad aspects of their renewables policies then take it elsewhere. This is a thread about their investments and how they are streets ahead of everyone else (and partly about people trying to make political capital over uncontrovertial comments simply because of who said it).

So by your implication all the other nations need to do is dump more money into clean energy. At what expense? I hope you know that it is not how much you invest and how you invest. I think you should read about all the "renewable initiative" in China and their outcome.

I agree US is lacking behind, but if you're talking about learning from China then what exactly are you suppose to learn? Dump more money. An initiative is only as successful when measured end to end. Do you know despite having outwardly good numbers, many of the Chinese regime's initiatives end up costing more than the benefits they reap? Because of their size both in population and land, every initiative is more expensive to achieve the same benefit of a smaller nation spending less.

So if spending and having more unmeasured initiatives are all you can take away from this then I believe you should research more.

Bradskii · Mar 13, 2023

IceJad said:
Because of their size both in population and land, every initiative is more expensive to achieve the same benefit of a smaller nation spending less.

And is therefore more efficient on a per capita basis. It's the worlds largest producer of wind and solar energy. That they are a largely agrarian society has already been pointed out, so they have a higher mountain to climb than most other countries. But at least they are taking it seriously, in comparison to the US: US is hotbed of climate change denial, major global survey finds

'Americans also appear unusually prone to climate-related conspiracy theories, the YouGov data suggests. A total of 17% of those polled agreed that “the idea of manmade global warming is a hoax that was invented to deceive people”.

Belief in this conspiracy theory, which was previously invoked by Donald Trump, who falsely claimed climate change was made up by China, increases with age and also conservative political ideology. A total of 52% of Americans who described themselves as “very rightwing” to YouGov insisted global warming was a hoax. In Europe, fewer than one in 10 people across the major countries surveyed thought the climate was not changing or not changing owing to human activity, with only Poland showing a slightly higher number, with 12% taking one of these views.'

And one doesn't 'dump' money into renewables. You use it wisely.

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