- Dec 18, 2017
- 15,401
- 10,343
- 79
- Country
- New Zealand
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
Upvote
0
-
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Christian who left gay lifestyle and came to faith arrested for "Conversion therapy" for testifying about his conversion.
- Thread starter Carl Emerson
- Start date
- Dec 18, 2017
- 15,401
- 10,343
- 79
- Country
- New Zealand
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
No one argues with eliminating genuine abuse.
However to legally deny help for those who want it is wrong.
Upvote
0
- Dec 18, 2017
- 15,401
- 10,343
- 79
- Country
- New Zealand
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
It is valid to answer a question with a question - Jesus did it.
Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be comfortable with passing laws that forbid folks from seeking help.
Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be comfortable with passing laws that forbid folks from seeking help.
Upvote
0
- Dec 18, 2017
- 15,401
- 10,343
- 79
- Country
- New Zealand
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
Upvote
0
Hvizsgyak
Well-Known Member
- Jan 28, 2021
- 738
- 315
- 61
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Byzantine Catholic
- Marital Status
- Married
Then we, as Christians, have to call the acts of engaging in LGBT... sexual practices for what they are - a sin and an abomination. Governments have no authority over Church definitions of sinful and abominable acts. And I'm sure the governments of certain nations want it that way. We as Christians have tried to convince governments that the LGBT... people' sexual desires are against natural law (which they are but governments and doctors are not accepting that fact) so we'll have to call it for what they are (sexual desires), sin.
Of course, now Christians have to make sin relevant again to people in society. And that's where Christians will proclaim God's Word loud and proud.
Keep up the good work! You always put forth great discussion topics.
Upvote
0
SilverBear
Well-Known Member
Are doing the same for all the other abominations?
Church BINGO,
Incense
Remarriage after divorce
poly cotton blend shirts
Gossip
Christmas trees
Allowing anyone using a crutch, cane, walker or wheelchair into your church
No?
Well i guess it isn't about being an abomination at all
Upvote
0
Hvizsgyak
Well-Known Member
- Jan 28, 2021
- 738
- 315
- 61
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Byzantine Catholic
- Marital Status
- Married
Seems you follow the more ultra liberal interpretation of the Bible (which has been proven wrong time and time again). Here, this should help you understand sin better:
What Is Sin in the New Covenant?
Jesus came to atone for our sins, not abolish all moral prohibitions so that we wouldn’t have any idea what sin is. He tells that he didn’t come to abrogate the...
Upvote
0
SilverBear
Well-Known Member
Every thing I listed is an abomination. Yet you aren't railing against any of them.Seems you follow the more ultra liberal interpretation of the Bible (which has been proven wrong time and time again). Here, this should help you understand sin better:
What Is Sin in the New Covenant?
Jesus came to atone for our sins, not abolish all moral prohibitions so that we wouldn’t have any idea what sin is. He tells that he didn’t come to abrogate the...www.catholic.com
Upvote
0
Hvizsgyak
Well-Known Member
- Jan 28, 2021
- 738
- 315
- 61
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Byzantine Catholic
- Marital Status
- Married
Seems like you didn't read the article very well.
Jesus came to atone for our sins, not abolish all moral prohibitions so that we wouldn’t have any idea what sin is. He tells that he didn’t come to abrogate the law but to fulfill it (Matt. 5:17-18). In fulfilling it, though, he made the Old Covenant “works of the law,” i.e., primarily the ritual and liturgical commandments that Moses prescribed for Old Covenant life, no longer binding us on in the New Covenant.
Why? Because these laws cannot make a man righteous before God, including because they are performed ‘‘apart from the grace of Christ.’’ St. Paul affirms, “For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law’’ (Romans 3:28). And he adds elsewhere:
Yes, in Old Covenant days, violating these laws was sinful, at the very least because doing so was done in disobedience to God and the leaders of his people. In addition, these Old Covenant laws are still “on the books,” as they’re noted in the Old Testament and elsewhere, and Orthodox Jews continue to observe them to the present day, excluding those that involve the Temple in Jerusalem, which was destroyed in A.D. 70.
This is why Christianity is so messed up; too many Christians are interpreting the Bible wrong.
Upvote
0
- Apr 30, 2013
- 33,102
- 20,475
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- United Ch. of Christ
- Marital Status
- Private
- Politics
- US-Democrat
"Conversion therapy" is pseudoscience, right there below "flat Earth". There is widespread scientific consensus it is harmful. The Catholic Church officially condemns it. Malta is an historically Catholic country, and its laws reflect that. Ergo, there's nothing strange about its laws, they are in line with the Catholic Church's teachings, and the findings of modern science.
Upvote
0
lismore
Maranatha
- Oct 28, 2004
- 20,906
- 4,567
- Country
- United Kingdom
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Single
Hello Bear. Some of the things on your list are indeed wrong. But one wrong does not excuse another. Just because a 'Christian' is a gossip does not make it acceptable for someone else to commit homosexual acts. God Bless
Upvote
0
- Dec 18, 2017
- 15,401
- 10,343
- 79
- Country
- New Zealand
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
It is getting worse...
Please take the time to view this latest update here...
Some very serious issues are raised that expose a global attempt to legally shut down Christian ministry to Gay's...
Please take the time to view this latest update here...
Some very serious issues are raised that expose a global attempt to legally shut down Christian ministry to Gay's...
Upvote
0
stevevw
inquisitive
- Nov 4, 2013
- 15,517
- 1,627
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Private
The Malta Law is impossible to implement. For example the law states that "all persons have a sexual orientation, a gender identity and a gender expression, and that no particular combination of these three characteristics constitutes a disorder, disease, illness, deficiency, disability and, or shortcoming"
Without casting any dispersions there is a high incident of psychological and physical problems associated with gender and sex. Transgender and gender non-conforming people often have gender dysphoria and other psychological problems that need therapy and treatment. Intersex people have a high % of conditions which under any other area of medicine would be considered an illness or disorder.
So where do you draw the line when giving therapy to someone who has issues with their gender or sex. Are doctors not even able to use medical language to describe these conditions. This will cause professionals to shy away from therapy and deny proper treatment.
Without casting any dispersions there is a high incident of psychological and physical problems associated with gender and sex. Transgender and gender non-conforming people often have gender dysphoria and other psychological problems that need therapy and treatment. Intersex people have a high % of conditions which under any other area of medicine would be considered an illness or disorder.
So where do you draw the line when giving therapy to someone who has issues with their gender or sex. Are doctors not even able to use medical language to describe these conditions. This will cause professionals to shy away from therapy and deny proper treatment.
Upvote
0
- Oct 2, 2020
- 26,105
- 14,441
- 63
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Single
Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.
So it's a man believing he's really a woman (as one example) but having a feeling of unease over it.
And I suppose the treatment is getting the man to accept that he really is a woman. Otherwise they'd be guilty of conversion therapy, which has been condemned as nazi-like barbarism.
So it's a man believing he's really a woman (as one example) but having a feeling of unease over it.
And I suppose the treatment is getting the man to accept that he really is a woman. Otherwise they'd be guilty of conversion therapy, which has been condemned as nazi-like barbarism.
Last edited:
Upvote
0
- Apr 30, 2013
- 33,102
- 20,475
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- United Ch. of Christ
- Marital Status
- Private
- Politics
- US-Democrat
The law would allow a person to explore their feelings about gender with a therapist. "Conversion therapy" has a definite meaning, it's trying to change a person's gender identity.
No ethical therapist is going to insist that somebody that shows up with mere unease or concern about their gender or sex, is in fact transgender. That's imposing your own ideology upon a client, which is unethical.
Last edited:
Upvote
0
- Oct 2, 2020
- 26,105
- 14,441
- 63
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Single
That depends on viewing it as ideolog,y or viewing it as the natural order of nature.
If humans are viewed as mamals, then there's nothing natural about it. Mamals are male and female, and the male and female copulate to produce offspring. That's the natural order.
With the possible exception of an anomaly, there isn't homosexuality or transgenderism or gender identity etc among virtually all other mamals.
So really male and female joining together is the natural order of nature, and LGBTQQIP2SAA+ is the construct of ideology.
Upvote
0
Similar threads
