The word "field" is a racial slur now.

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Did I miss it on the first pass? You're trivializing it, aren't you?
Okay.
Here we go.

I am going to first agree with you that some in academia are so far removed from regular day-to-day life that suddenly restricting the use of a common, poly-definitional word is absurd.

That’s why we’re having this thread.
But is it absurd enough that we to draw such tight-lines and “slug-it-out-in-the-trenches”?

No, of course not.

Besides, the hyper-racial-sensitively in places of higher learning and social services, is what it looks like when someone is trying to correct an injustice, if one could see the injustice, one would see the need.

But some people cannot perceive injustice that doesn’t happen to themselves, personally.
And there’s nothing wrong with that point-of-view, but they don’t get to tell the rest of what is and isn’t “unjust”.
 
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Okay.
Here we go.

I am going to first agree with you that some in academia are so far removed from regular day-to-day life that suddenly restricting the use of a common, poly-definitional word is absurd.

Well that really depends upon why the change was made.

The change itself may be absurd, and I'd agree on that, someone however decided they had good reasons to change it.

Perhaps those are exactly the reasons given. Perhaps not.



That’s why we’re having this thread.
But is it absurd enough that we to draw such tight-lines and “slug-it-out-in-the-trenches”?

I'm not asking anyone here slug anything out nor am I trying to convince people of anything.

I simply saw a bunch of single takes repeating the same point and took a different angle.

No, of course not.

Besides, the hyper-racial-sensitively

Hyper racial sensitivity?

Is that how you'd describe academia?



in places of higher learning and social services, is what it looks like when someone is trying to correct an injustice, if one could see the injustice, one would see the need.

What injustice is being corrected?

is this an absurd change or is it a just change?

What are you claiming?




But some people cannot perceive injustice that doesn’t happen to themselves, personally.

I'm about 100% certain that isn't true. I didn't personally go through the Rwandan genocide but that doesn't prevent me from recognizing an injustice there.

What has happened to your mind that you would make the above statement?


And there’s nothing wrong with that point-of-view, but they don’t get to tell the rest of what is and isn’t “unjust”.

But they are....they are telling you what is and isn't unjust....and you agree. If I had to guess, I'd say the process involves pressure to conform to language standards, constantly redefining words so that you learn so you don't become perceived as immoral by the in-group, and finally, affirmation to ideological standards and norms....like a pledge of allegiance. You consider yourself an ally....don't you?
 
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Well that really depends upon why the change was made.

The change itself may be absurd, and I'd agree on that, someone however decided they had good reasons to change it.

Perhaps those are exactly the reasons given. Perhaps not.





I'm not asking anyone here slug anything out nor am I trying to convince people of anything.

I simply saw a bunch of single takes repeating the same point and took a different angle.



Hyper racial sensitivity?

Is that how you'd describe academia?





What injustice is being corrected?

is this an absurd change or is it a just change?

What are you claiming?






I'm about 100% certain that isn't true. I didn't personally go through the Rwandan genocide but that doesn't prevent me from recognizing an injustice there.

What has happened to your mind that you would make the above statement?




But they are....they are telling you what is and isn't unjust....and you agree. If I had to guess, I'd say the process involves pressure to conform to language standards, constantly redefining words so that you learn so you don't become perceived as immoral by the in-group, and finally, affirmation to ideological standards and norms....like a pledge of allegiance. You consider yourself an ally....don't you?
Fare thee well.
 
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Not only are they abysmally stupid....they're also moralistic activists. Despite not knowing anything about anything, they somehow have convinced themselves they know what everyone should do....think....and say. They somehow imagine that this total conformity to government and corporate leaders is putting them on the vanguard of some revolutionary change.

There's going to be revolutionary changes....they aren't on the vanguard of anything. They're like those wagyu cattle that get fed oats and beer and massaged all day. They have no clue what is going to happen.

From the fruit you will know the tree. I see how they carry themselves and interact with general society I can tell somewhere along their informative years they have been failed by the education system and poisoned by ideological nonsense. You know the most frightening trend I observe? It is spreading in the western world the once bastion of education. A trend I don't see stopping.

Not too long ago Stanford University came out with a list of "harmful language" which to the surprise of absolute of no one are never harmful to begin with. And not not too long ago there was some form of outrage about the computer terms of Master/Slave and Blacklist. Being an IT consultant I find it ridiculous and have keep using the terms Master/Slave and Blacklist when carrying out my job. If I'm not offended by the term Daemon in computing then I'm not going to start with any other terms.

If I'm a parent I would be dead afraid to even send my children to a western school, less them come back home hating their own ethnicity, gender, culture and even their own family. Parents send their children to school in hopes they will be better equipped to face the challenges of adulthood. Not ingraining them with petulant behaviours that last well into adulthood and further.
 
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Are you suggesting that one doesn't need to read the op to find out what the thread Is about? That's quite...odd.

No...I meant you, you specifically.

You don't.

To be certain, a lot of others don't either....probably most people.

But certainly you. We've spoken before, I know this.
 
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From the fruit you will know the tree. I see how they carry themselves and interact with general society I can tell somewhere along their informative years they have been failed by the education system and poisoned by ideological nonsense. You know the most frightening trend I observe? It is spreading in the western world the once bastion of education. A trend I don't see stopping.

It's like an ideological poison. It's the enemy of truth. This is not a common language shift that happens naturally.



Not too long ago Stanford University came out with a list of "harmful language" which to the surprise of absolute of no one are never harmful to begin with. And not not too long ago there was some form of outrage about the computer terms of Master/Slave and Blacklist. Being an IT consultant I find it ridiculous and have keep using the terms Master/Slave and Blacklist when carrying out my job. If I'm not offended by the term Daemon in computing then I'm not going to start with any other terms.

Yeah I read the list. Wild stuff.

More insidious are the diversity and inclusion statements in academia that are now required for hiring. You need to express your devotion and willingness to stay faithful to the ideology to even get in now. There's not much point to college anymore.


If I'm a parent I would be dead afraid to even send my children to a western school, less them come back home hating their own ethnicity, gender, culture and even their own family.

I would probably be a nightmare for teachers if I had a child in this. I'd just have him record the classes all day.

Parents send their children to school in hopes they will be better equipped to face the challenges of adulthood. Not ingraining them with petulant behaviours that last well into adulthood and further.

There's a point to this....a generation this obsessed with pricey consumer goods and this dumb will inevitably eradicate the middle class completely.
 
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Fare thee well.
Yeah....see? Nailed it first try. First you said this is just a natural language shift (you know....the kind that's delivered in memos) and then you tried to trivialise it.

And when I suggested that perhaps it's not so trivial and made some points....


You repeated that it's trivial. Sure it's absurd, but who are you to question your betters? Just fall in line... you'll be fine.
 
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And before you try to defend this sickening imposition of political ideological through language....I'll just point out that if you try to defend it, I'll repeatedly point out your complete inability to explain what "gender identity" means as a distinct concept and as such....you're literally defending a nonsense policy that you have no understanding of at all. Fair?....
Gander identity is another kettle of worms that deserves its own thread.

I'm talking about the OP situation and the absurd "tyranny!!!" overreaction to it.
 
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Gander identity is another kettle of worms that deserves its own thread.

I'm talking about the OP situation and the absurd "tyranny!!!" overreaction to it.
Yeah sure....they come from the same place but these things entirely unrelated.

Sure.
 
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Gander identity is another kettle of worms that deserves its own thread.

I'm talking about the OP situation and the absurd "tyranny!!!" overreaction to it.
Also, sorry but didn't you ask another poster for a similar imposition of speech placed by the government?

Might have been a couple of pages ago.
 
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The point that amazes me is that there are people who agree to such a notion that certain words are unspeakable and unusable. The point of the invention of words are to communicate a concept you have to another so that the other will have the same understanding as you regarding the concept.

Even if for argument sake that there are words so heinous that the mere utterance cause mass displeasure and pain, the word fieldwork is not universal in its negative connotations. Why would say a person in Japan feel that the word is detrimental to him/her when used within his/her geographical area? To have Southern California University unitarily conclude "fieldwork" as anti-black and anti immigrant base on historical events of a small geography shows a level of arrogance and superiority unbefitting of an education centre. English is used more widely than just the US and UK.

Whos feeling are we looking out for that an entire world has to understand a certain word in the most narrow definition as prescribed by a small clique of overzealous self-righteous people? By who authority such definitions are validated? I say not by Southern California University nor Stanford University nor any university for this matter.

My preference of linguistic usage be it for artistry, daily life or professional conduct will not submit to social activist control.
 
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My preference of linguistic usage be it for artistry, daily life or professional conduct will not submit to social activist control.
You don't have to. This was a reasonably stupid decision by two minor organisations in the US. Don't worry about. Don't give it another thought. It won't impact you in the slightest. Just move on. There's nothing to see here...
 
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You don't have to. This was a reasonably stupid decision by two minor organisations in the US. Don't worry about. Don't give it another thought. It won't impact you in the slightest. Just move on. There's nothing to see here...

You're right no one has to submit to such illogicality. But I do fancy the notion of expressing my perspective on such social virtue signaling. It just fascinates me that there are grown adults that have the mental facility of an edgy teenager.
 
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The point that amazes me is that there are people who agree to such a notion that certain words are unspeakable and unusable. The point of the invention of words are to communicate a concept you have to another so that the other will have the same understanding as you regarding the concept.

Even if for argument sake that there are words so heinous that the mere utterance cause mass displeasure and pain, the word fieldwork is not universal in its negative connotations. Why would say a person in Japan feel that the word is detrimental to him/her when used within his/her geographical area? To have Southern California University unitarily conclude "fieldwork" as anti-black and anti immigrant base on historical events of a small geography shows a level of arrogance and superiority unbefitting of an education centre. English is used more widely than just the US and UK.

Whos feeling are we looking out for that an entire world has to understand a certain word in the most narrow definition as prescribed by a small clique of overzealous self-righteous people? By who authority such definitions are validated? I say not by Southern California University nor Stanford University nor any university for this matter.

My preference of linguistic usage be it for artistry, daily life or professional conduct will not submit to social activist control.
Certain words here like, say, for instance if I decided this opine that the “bad guy” in the Bible was actually the “Hero” and made sure everybody knew that in every thread that I’d be invited to cease participating here tout de suite.
Society is largely based on where we grind each other down, not build each other up.
This is cyclical and when it happens to be on the downswing, the people of the times are always on edge because we never know “what the other side will do”.

Let’s try to clean up our own side, shall we?
 
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The point that amazes me is that there are people who agree to such a notion that certain words are unspeakable and unusable. The point of the invention of words are to communicate a concept you have to another so that the other will have the same understanding as you regarding the concept.

Even if for argument sake that there are words so heinous that the mere utterance cause mass displeasure and pain, the word fieldwork is not universal in its negative connotations. Why would say a person in Japan feel that the word is detrimental to him/her when used within his/her geographical area? To have Southern California University unitarily conclude "fieldwork" as anti-black and anti immigrant base on historical events of a small geography shows a level of arrogance and superiority unbefitting of an education centre. English is used more widely than just the US and UK.

Whos feeling are we looking out for that an entire world has to understand a certain word in the most narrow definition as prescribed by a small clique of overzealous self-righteous people? By who authority such definitions are validated? I say not by Southern California University nor Stanford University nor any university for this matter.

My preference of linguistic usage be it for artistry, daily life or professional conduct will not submit to social activist control.
To be honest, I don't believe that all the words that people come up with to ban are actually what they would call "offensive" to them. I believe that the real intent of either censoring or banning words is to exert power over others by shaming them when they use certain words. It's nothing more than a power trip. They enjoy the ability to tell others what they're allowed to say. Once they have that, they can move into other areas of controlling others, such as determining what people can own, or not (think firearms, gas stoves, gas-powered vehicles, etc.)
 
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To be honest, I don't believe that all the words that people come up with to ban are actually what they would call "offensive" to them. I believe that the real intent of either censoring or banning words is to exert power over others by shaming them when they use certain words. It's nothing more than a power trip. They enjoy the ability to tell others what they're allowed to say. Once they have that, they can move into other areas of controlling others, such as determining what people can own, or not (think firearms, gas stoves, gas-powered vehicles, etc.)
What? A health department in Michigan says they'll not be using terms like fieldwork in their documentation and that's going to lead to you losing your guns and being forced to buy an electric car?

Just...what?
 
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What? A health department in Michigan says they'll not be using terms like fieldwork in their documentation and that's going to lead to you losing your guns and being forced to buy an electric car?

Just...what?
Teflon-slope, doncha know?
 
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What? A health department in Michigan says they'll not be using terms like fieldwork in their documentation and that's going to lead to you losing your guns and being forced to buy an electric car?

Just...what?
One area of "authority" influencing control of language sets precedent for others to control other things.
 
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What? A health department in Michigan says they'll not be using terms like fieldwork in their documentation and that's going to lead to you losing your guns and being forced to buy an electric car?

Just...what?
Well they did get you to accept made up pronouns uncritically....you were just being polite.

Now you think a man is a woman if he claims it.

You probably used to give people the benefit of the doubt.....

But then you were told to believe victims.

Now you think that the world is filled with secret racists and predatory men.

Especially if they didn't go along with this as easily as you did.
 
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