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Why people reject the Reprobate doctrine (Romans 1:18-32)

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You see these folks creeping in, even in the “free grace” circles it is pervasive, these people will come in with this claim and teaching that sodomites can actually be saved despite what clear scripture says, and they will throw 1 Corinthians 6 out of context at you. But they completely ignore The reprobate doctrine is clearly described in Romans 1:18-32

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, evenhis eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

28 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

29 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

The word of God clearly says God “gave them up”, and “gave them over” because they didn’t want to retain God in their knowledge, how can people still come away thinking that these are potentially saved people?

If Sodomites are just good people who are unsaved and need the gospel, or are a little mixed up, then why does every time in the Bible when it talks about a sodomite they are committing the most wicked evil acts. Not one sodomite ever got saved in scripture.

Sodomites cannot be saved, word of God is clear that they got that way because they rejected the gospel, didn’t want to retain God in their knowledge so God gave them up unto vile affections, to do that which is not convenient.

Still people will falsely throw 1 Corinthians 6 at you where it says “abusers of themselves with mankind” to say “see the sodomite can be saved” but is that passage really saying that? No, this is not a clear verse and that would contradict the rest of scripture and Romans 1:18-32 the reprobate doctrine.

This doctrine of “sodomites can be saved” creeping in is found nowhere in scripture, it is completely unbiblical.
 
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Derek Prince likened it to a rotten apple. You cannot fix that. On a larger scale, once a nation is infected and it reaches the seats of power and the courts, I do not see any turning back. Once it becomes "normalized" in culture, science, politics, and law... run for the hills. That nation is about to be come down and come down hard. Not necessarily as punishment, but to cleanse the world of the infection and ultimately save humanity from extinction and self emulation.
 
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This doctrine of “sodomites can be saved” creeping in is found nowhere in scripture, it is completely unbiblical.
Hello Cockcrow, there is just one unpardonable sin, yes, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? That sin is, in point of fact, unpardonable from the moment that it is committed (IOW, once it has been committed, it can never be forgiven, whether in the eternity to come ~OR~ on this side of the grave .. e.g. Matthew 12:31-32).

Mark 3
28 “Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit ~never~ has forgiveness, but is guilty of an ~eternal~ sin”—
30 because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”​

So, is this what you believe, that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and the sin of homosexuality are one and the same thing? (or am I misunderstanding your meaning somehow?) Thanks!

If this is true however, what of the practicing homosexuals who (at least seem to) come to hear, believe and receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and who, as a result, repent of/reject their former, sinful lifestyles? Do you believe that they are lost forever anyway??

The Bible seems to say that some homosexuals (along with all kinds of other sinners) came to believe in Christ during the 1st Century, that they repented of their former lifestyles and were cleansed and forgiven of their sins...........

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, ~nor effeminate, nor homosexuals~,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 Such ~were~ some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

......and I believe that this continues to happen today :amen:

Finally, if I am missing something important in my assessment above, please point it out to me!

Thanks :)

God bless you!!

--David

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30 The Pharisees and their scribes began grumbling at His disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with the tax collectors and sinners?
31 And Jesus answered and said to them, “It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick.
32 “I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”
 
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Tell me where in scripture it says there is only one unforgivable sin.
Hello Adam, I believe that the answer you seek can be found in my post above, the one that you quoted. I'll copy it for you here, and I'll do my best to highlight the salient points.

This is what I said:

Hello Cockcrow, there is just one unpardonable sin, yes, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? That (one) sin is, in point of fact, unpardonable ~from the moment~ that it is committed (IOW, once it has been committed, it can ~never~ be forgiven, whether in the eternity to come ~OR~ on this side of the grave .. e.g. Matthew 12:31-32).
Mark 3
28 “Truly I say to you, ~ALL~ sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and ~WHATEVER~ blasphemies they utter;
29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit ~never~ has forgiveness, but is guilty of an ~eternal~ sin”—
30 because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.

The same is said in the parallel verse (Matthew 12:31-32), so take a look if you'd care to see how Matthew puts it as well.

I hope that helps!

God bless you!!

--David
p.s. - many claim that the unpardonable sin amounts to nothing more that the rejection of the Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and while that is indeed, unpardonable, it is not so until a person has died.

The sin that is said to be unpardonable is different as it is the only sin that cannot be repented of and forgiven on this side of the grave.
 
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Hello Adam, I believe that the answer you seek can be found in my post above, the one that you quoted. I'll copy it for you here, and I'll do my best to highlight the salient points.

This is what I said:

Hello Cockcrow, there is just one unpardonable sin, yes, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? That (one) sin is, in point of fact, unpardonable ~from the moment~ that it is committed (IOW, once it has been committed, it can ~never~ be forgiven, whether in the eternity to come ~OR~ on this side of the grave .. e.g. Matthew 12:31-32).
Mark 3
28 “Truly I say to you, ~ALL~ sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and ~WHATEVER~ blasphemies they utter;
29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit ~never~ has forgiveness, but is guilty of an ~eternal~ sin”—
30 because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.

The same is said in the parallel verse (Matthew 12:31-32), so take a look if you'd care to see how Matthew puts it as well.

I hope that helps!

God bless you!!

--David
p.s. - many claim that the unpardonable sin amounts to nothing more that the rejection of the Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and while that is indeed, unpardonable, it is not so until a person has died.

The sin that is said to be unpardonable is different as it is the only sin that cannot be repented of and forgiven on this side of the grave.
So do reprobates not exist then?
 
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So do reprobates not exist then?
Hello again Adam, I’m not sure why you are asking that question, unless our definitions of what a reprobate is differ.

I suppose the next step is to figure that out, so, what is your definition of a reprobate?

Thanks :)

—David
 
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Reprobate doctrine, that is a calvinistic doctrine, that all are reprobate's unable to respond to God's free gift of eternal life. God has to save the person first, then they can believe and be saved.

no that's not a accurate teaching, the reprobate doctrine in Romans 1:18-32 says that It can get to a point on Earth where it is too late for a person to get saved, they reject the gospel too many times, and so God rejects them, gives them up and over and they become Sodomites, and are filled with all unrighteousness they do it all. Animals, children, people also see Genesis 19, Judges 19. no not unsaved person is a reprobate, reprobates are on a whole nother level of evil. Sodomy is a proof of reprobation, it isn't that the act of sodomy comes first, no no natural person does sodomy, that is vile affections only those given up and over by God have those type of vile affections God removes the veil and they have those unnatural against nature desires. watch out don't leave your children with any sodomite reprobate.
 
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Hello again Adam, I’m not sure why you are asking that question, unless our definitions of what a reprobate is differ.

I suppose the next step is to figure that out, so, what is your definition of a reprobate?

Thanks :)

—David
A person who is rejected by God and beyond the hope of salvation.
 
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Hello Adam, I believe that the answer you seek can be found in my post above, the one that you quoted. I'll copy it for you here, and I'll do my best to highlight the salient points.

This is what I said:

Hello Cockcrow, there is just one unpardonable sin, yes, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? That (one) sin is, in point of fact, unpardonable ~from the moment~ that it is committed (IOW, once it has been committed, it can ~never~ be forgiven, whether in the eternity to come ~OR~ on this side of the grave .. e.g. Matthew 12:31-32).
Mark 3
28 “Truly I say to you, ~ALL~ sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and ~WHATEVER~ blasphemies they utter;
29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit ~never~ has forgiveness, but is guilty of an ~eternal~ sin”—
30 because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.

The same is said in the parallel verse (Matthew 12:31-32), so take a look if you'd care to see how Matthew puts it as well.

I hope that helps!

God bless you!!

--David
p.s. - many claim that the unpardonable sin amounts to nothing more that the rejection of the Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and while that is indeed, unpardonable, it is not so until a person has died.

The sin that is said to be unpardonable is different as it is the only sin that cannot be repented of and forgiven on this side of the grave.
Apparently, accusing a person operating in the Spirit of actually operating with a demon can never be forgiven. Such as a person speaking in tongues by the Holy Spirit and then being called of the devil?
I am curious.
 
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Apparently, accusing a person operating in the Spirit of actually operating with a demon can never be forgiven. Such as a person speaking in tongues by the Holy Spirit and then being called of the devil?
I am curious.
Hello SavedByGrace3, there is more than just a little bit of "mystery" surrounding the unpardonable sin in the Bible, which is why it continues to be such a controversial subject.

The main thing that we are sure about is this, it is a sin of blasphemy that is deemed unpardonable from the very moment that it's uttered (all other sins and blasphemies are only deemed unpardonable following a person's death).

It's also a sin that is committed by a person who is fully aware of the fact that they are lying (like the Pharisees and Scribes were, which is why the Lord was warning them to go no further down the road they were on, because they were coming so close to being guilty of committing it). It is a sin, therefore, that can only be committed by someone who has a heart so black that they don't care that they are committing it, a person who would never repent of committing it, even if they could (some have taught that this case-hardened impenitence is what actually makes it unpardonable).

Many commentators tend to believe that it cannot be committed today (a position that I favor, but am hardly sure of), because that particular sin is so tied to the Lord Jesus Christ's ministry and the miracles that He was performing among us back then, miracles that were deemed to be impossible for anyone but God to perform, and that according to the teachings of the very people who were accusing Him of having a demon (again, they knew better, that the power behind His miracles came from the Holy Spirit, but they refused to acknowledge the truth and at least came close to blasphemy against the Spirit).

God bless you!!

--David
p.s. - that the Lord Jesus' miracles were of God/by the Holy Spirit could not be denied, well, except by lying. Speaking in an unknown tongue today however can go either way. For instance, I remember Dr. Gleason Archer (OT/Hebrew professor at Trinity Seminary/TEDS, and fluent speaker of 60 different human languages .. his favorite being Icelandic, just FYI) was in church (an AoG church if memory serves) where someone at the microphone was speaking in tongues (an unknown language) w/ interpretation to the entire congregation. What the man didn't know was that he was actually speaking in a known, African tongue, one the languages that Dr. Archer was, in fact, fluent in. Once Dr. Archer heard what the man was saying, he stood up and told him to stop immediately, because all the demon who was speaking through him was doing was blaspheming and cursing God with every word he was uttering.
 
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