Ukrain submits request for NATO membership

civilwarbuff said:

Or that the people around him do.......

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I'm starting to get nervous about agreeing with you this much...

I'm beginning to think it might be a good idea to give Ukraine long range missiles. After all, what's the point of having a world, if a tinpot thug like Putin gets to draw national borders? The only way to stem the tide of rabid nationalism is to attack its geopolitical patrons.

FireDragon76 said:

I'm beginning to think it might be a good idea to give Ukraine long range missiles.

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Might be a moot point...

KYIV, Ukraine — It all started on Aug. 9 with an attack on Saki Air Base in Russian-occupied Crimea, at least 140 miles behind the Russian front line. Satellite imagery released the next day revealed a scene of utter devastation, with at least nine Russian warplanes completely destroyed and many others rendered not airworthy. One Western intelligence official later claimed the attack had "put more than half of Russia's Black Sea Fleet naval aviation combat jets out of use," which would raise the total number of destroyed or damaged aircraft to at least 13, as there were 26 aircraft at the base prior to the attack.

The second confirmed hit took place exactly one week later, on Aug. 16, when a Russian munitions depot exploded dramatically near Dzhankoi, in northern Crimea, some 120 miles behind the front line. An electricity substation in the same area was also targeted and destroyed.

Kyiv has been ambiguous about the provenance of these attacks.
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"This was a missile strike," another former U.S. Special Forces operative, who asked to remain anonymous, said. "Could partisans or special operators have been on the ground reconnoitering the targets for artillery? Sure. But nothing in those images tells me Ukrainians were setting things off at the scene."
Why Ukraine probably has long-range missiles

I see the SVR has entered the conversation.

...how much territory will Putin loose before winter?


SVIATOHIRSK/KYIV, Oct 4 (Reuters) - Ukrainian forces have broken through Russian defences in the south of the country while expanding their rapid offensive in the east, seizing back more territory in areas annexed by Russia and threatening its troops' supply lines.

Making their biggest breakthrough in the south since the war began, Ukrainian forces recaptured several villages in an advance along the strategic Dnipro River on Monday, Ukrainian officials and a Russian-installed leader in the area said.

Ukraine forces break through Russian defences in south, advance in east

The Barbarian said:

I'm starting to get nervous about agreeing with you this much...

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As long as we don't start talking politics......LOL.....