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Russia is ready to “swallow” Europe whole?

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They don't possess real hypersonic missiles at the moment, neither does China or the US, though they are closer to achieving them. Russia not so much yet, they are behind the curve compared to US and China.

That's not what our own military has been saying.

I'm not holding my breathe for a clear answer.


You're not paying attention to what's going on behind thee scenes so you'll remain un-informed.
 
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They don't possess such missiles though.

Russia does possess Hypersonic s, as does China, and now North Korea, thanks to collaboration with Russia mainly, and a bit China.
The Kh-47M2 Kinzhal is a mach 10 Hypersonic missile
The 3M22 Zircon, also spelled as Tsirkon is a Russian scramjet-powered, nuclear-capable hypersonic cruise missile capable of up to Mach 9


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As for a reentry vehicle there is the Avangard, a Hypersonic vehicle that operates much like an ICBM reentry vehicle:

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In other words they can take out a major US city and we won't know it's coming until we see the mushroom cloud

Oh, we'll know it's coming if we're near a radio, TV, or I guess such a warning would come online, and on phones - but you got 20 - 30 minutes basically.
Oftentimes I may be out in the woods or a field and in such a case it will be as you said, and then I pray "HalleluYAH! Jesus take me home."
That's also when people who don't know Christ better get in Christ and repent, and even better to repent now in case you are caught off guard.

"It would take a land- based missile about 30 minutes to fly between Russia and the United States; a submarine-based missile could strike in as little as 10 to 15 minutes after launch."
 
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Oh, we'll know it's coming if we're near a radio, TV, or I guess such a warning would come online, and on phones - but you got 20 - 30 minutes basically.


No, they can fly these things low and our radar will not pick it up so don't expect any warning.
 
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No, they can fly these things low and our radar will not pick it up so don't expect any warning.

They can, but there's the launch platform, which would be either ,

1) Aircraft such as the Mig 31, which itself can do near Mach 3, and had intercepted our SR71 a few times though never launched its missiles.

2) ICBMs which can be detected at launch.

The most surprise would come from a sub launched missile with the hypersonic delivery system. It's the launch that will be detected. The hypersonic cannot just fly low all the way from Russia to US, except perhaps parts of Alaska, and that's if there are launch facilities in Russia's far east.
 
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Russia does possess Hypersonic s, as does China, and now North Korea, thanks to collaboration with Russia mainly, and a bit China.
The Kh-47M2 Kinzhal is a mach 10 Hypersonic missile
The 3M22 Zircon, also spelled as Tsirkon is a Russian scramjet-powered, nuclear-capable hypersonic cruise missile capable of up to Mach 9


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As for a reentry vehicle there is the Avangard, a Hypersonic vehicle that operates much like an ICBM reentry vehicle:

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It's important to note that when people talk about "hypersonic weapons", they're specifically referring to maneuverable weapons that travel at hypersonic speeds. Simple hypersonic speed has been a thing as long as ballistic missiles have existed. Kinzhal, for example, is just an air-launched version of the ground-based Iskander ballistic missile - it has no additional capabilities beyond the versatility that comes with being launched from an aircraft.

Zircon goes a bit further - it's capable of sustained hypersonic flight thanks to its ramjet engine, but it slows to supersonic speeds (~mach 4.5) as it loses altitude and approaches the target. This, combined with the inability to use the ground-hugging flight path typically employed by cruise missiles means that it can be shot down (as Ukraine has done on at least a couple occasions).

Avangard probably represents the greatest threat on an individual basis, but it's currently deployed in such limited numbers (likely single digits) that it doesn't make any significant contribution to the overall threat of Russian nuclear forces. Furthermore, given the needs of the Russian military in Ukraine, its unlikely that increased production will be a priority.
 
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Russia does possess Hypersonic s, as does China, and now North Korea, thanks to collaboration with Russia mainly, and a bit China.
The Kh-47M2 Kinzhal is a mach 10 Hypersonic missile
The 3M22 Zircon, also spelled as Tsirkon is a Russian scramjet-powered, nuclear-capable hypersonic cruise missile capable of up to Mach 9
None of those are hypersonic missiles as they are defined today. Kinzhal, nor Zircon, can maneuver at those speeds. And neither can do it while close to the surface without laws of physics coming into play and saying "nope!" and tearing the missile to pieces.

And also rememberer, the specs touted are ones published by Russia. We've seen that they have a tendency to overstate their actual capabilities.
 
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Yes, yes we do know that. The missiles currently aren't capable of flying low at those speeds without tearing themselves apart.


You are not an engineer working in the Russian military so all you have is speculation.

There are military experts from outside of Russia that say they do have hypersonic missiles and they can actually be flown low to evade radar and they say China has therm as well. They know this because Russia has done some testing of their hypersonic missiles

This means they can strike the US and their nuclear launch sites first taking them out and we cannot do anything to stop it.

At that point all the US will have is nukes on subs but Russia and China's hypersonic missiles can be used to knock down any of the nukes the US launches so Russia and China would not be sustaining any direct hits by nukes the US launches.

In other words, they can wipe the US off the map if they'd like with not direct nuke hits to their country and the US cannot do anything about it.

This is what happens when a nation turns away from the Lord... their enemies gain the upper hand over them which is what is happening here.
 
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You are not an engineer working in the Russian military so all you have is speculation.
No, but I know physics well enough. There's a reason why the Chinese and US hypersonic missiles being developed are designed to operate and manoeuvre in higher altitudes. I said I this before already, physics won't allow that sort of thing to be done at low altitudes that you're talking about without the missile being torn to shreds. There's nothing speculative about that. That's reality.
There are military experts from outside of Russia that say they do have hypersonic missiles and they can actually be flown low to evade radar and they say China has therm as well. They know this because Russia has done some testing of their hypersonic missiles
Name one, so I can see what they claim. And I keep suspecting you keep misusing the term for hypersonic missiles with missiles that can just reach those speeds under certain circumstances, but not maneuver during those speeds. There's a reason why the Kinzhal you've mentioned before has been shot down by the Patriot despite being a "hypersonic" missile.
This means they can strike the US and their nuclear launch sites first taking them out and we cannot do anything to stop it.
Yeah you can. Now this is just devolving into fear mongering on your part.
At that point all the US will have is nukes on subs but Russia and China's hypersonic missiles can be used to knock down any of the nukes the US launches so Russia and China would not be sustaining any direct hits by nukes the US launches.
More fear mongering.
In other words, they can wipe the US off the map if they'd like with not direct nuke hits to their country and the US cannot do anything about it.
And some more.
This is what happens when a nation turns away from the Lord... their enemies gain the upper hand over them which is what is happening here.
Well then, you'd assume the Chinese would be really bad off, but you seem to be touting them up a whole lot. Lots of propaganda and fearmongering and little anything else.
 
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In other words, they can wipe the US off the map if they'd like with not direct nuke hits to their country and the US cannot do anything about it.

This is what happens when a nation turns away from the Lord... their enemies gain the upper hand over them which is what is happening here.


I agree with this. America's military might cannot save when we are all dealing with a sovereign God who smells the stench of her abominations to heaven. Goes DOES absolutely use other nations to judge His people, as He used Assyria and Babylon to judge Israel. Then later He will judge those nations.

The most important thing is to preach the Gospel, and pray people turn to the LORD in repentance. That includes Russians, from the Kremlin on down.

Jeremiah 51:30 applies so much to America today: "The mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight, they have remained in their holds: their might hath failed; they became as women: they have burned her dwellingplaces; her bars are broken"

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In other words, they can wipe the US off the map if they'd like with not direct nuke hits to their country and the US cannot do anything about it.
This reads like bad Red Dawn fanfiction.
 
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This reads like bad Red Dawn fanfiction.

LoL!

The truth from a Biblical and prophetic perspective is America will decline, be weakened, and fall, and the Russians along with other Gog-Magog alliances will become stronger. However, then there is Ezekiel 39:1-6

"Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:
And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.
And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord."

I pray that many on all sides turn to the LORD, for in the midst of madness and war, God shall draw men unto Him and our Saviour Jesus Christ.
 
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This reads like bad Red Dawn fanfiction.

It's actually a reality now that the US is under the judgement of the Lord.


I pray that many on all sides turn to the LORD, for in the midst of madness and war, God shall draw men unto Him and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

Which does not mean war will stop and we all start getting along with other nations
 
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Well, maybe there is an element of propaganda about it, but all Russia's European neighbours are deeply uneasy. Finland and Sweden have joined NATO after a long period of neutrality. President Putin has expressed grievances about the aggressive stance of the NATO countries 'surrounding and threatening Russia'.

The full might of Russia has not been fully deployed against Ukraine. Possibly Putin and his military under-estimated the strength of resistance; they may even have thought they would be welcomed by Ukrainians. Perhaps Putin feels restrained from fuller deployment because his hold over the satellite states to the East is weak and there is a need for a strong military presence there.

As for swallowing Europe whole - it is hyperbole. What is more credible is that the Putin regime hankers after the Soviet possessions; Finland Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia. Moldavia, Belarus, the Balkan states, Hungary and Poland are also on the line.
The might of russian army is World War II equipment and hundreds of thousands of young men running to their deaths guns pointed to them from behind. As they did in World War II times. They do it by sacrificing their own people, with sheer numbers. And this might has no rules of war, it rapes, tortures, lies and does whatever it needs to win or feels like doing. It is a nightmare in earth and it should be stopped.
 
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So you are in favor of starting WW3 then, right?

Does this mean you would like to see your children go off to war in Europe?
Appeasement didn’t work 86 years ago either.
 
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It's actually a reality now that the US is under the judgement of the Lord.

Why just the US? Everyone is "under the judgement of the Lord". Including Russia.

2 Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

To imply anything else is to negate the doctrine of universal sin and downplay the work of Christ in salvation.
 
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