Marco Rubio dares to say it

Hammster · Jan 14, 2022

Akita Suggagaki said:
Who else but Trump supporters would want Mike Pence to reject the electoral votes?

(I’m not saying this is the case. I’m just going to answer your question.)

Any group of people that intend to make Trump supporters look bad.

Albion · Jan 15, 2022

Akita Suggagaki said:
Who else but Trump supporters would want Mike Pence to reject the electoral votes?

People talk as though the hundreds of people present were 100% Trump followers or else 100% imposters or something else. I've never believed that myself. It's very unlikely that that is the reality of it, but any answer that reflects such a sensible view seems guaranteed to be met with outrage or ridicule or something like that.

A_Thinker · Jan 15, 2022

Albion said:
The video shows people sporting Trump flags and hats. That's not the same thing, although I'm coming to the realization that this fact has eluded some readers. /sigh/

Law enforcement has used the videos to identify 700+ persons who will be charged for crimes committed at the Capitol. None of those 700+ persons was part of Antifa. In fact, ALL of them cop to being Trump supporters, some of them going so far as to say ... "I only went there ... because he told me to go there".

Do try to keep up ...

Akita Suggagaki · Jan 15, 2022

Hammster said:
Any group of people that intend to make Trump supporters look bad.

That is quite a stretch.

Akita Suggagaki · Jan 15, 2022

Albion said:
People talk as though the hundreds of people present were 100% Trump followers or else 100% imposters or something else. I've never believed that myself. It's very unlikely that that is the reality of it, but any answer that reflects such a sensible view seems guaranteed to be met with outrage or ridicule or something like that.

You think some of the people breaking into the Capitol where just there to create Hell? I suppose a few could just be renegade trouble makers. I seriously doubt Trump loyalist imposters though. The majority had to be Trump loyalists wanting to at least delay, if not completely reject the electoral votes. And God help Mike Pence if they got a hold of him.

Albion, it is getting more and more difficult to take you seriously.

Hammster · Jan 15, 2022

Akita Suggagaki said:
That is quite a stretch.

Not really. I’m not saying that it happened. But it was just an answer to the question.

Albion · Jan 15, 2022

Akita Suggagaki said:
You think some of the people breaking into the Capitol where just there to create Hell?

Well, if we were talking solely about "people breaking into the Capitol" as you put it, you'd probably have a point. However, it's been noted many times that most people did not "break into" anything or raise hell. But if you are going to fashion your own version of events, OF COURSE it will look correct to you.

Akita Suggagaki · Jan 15, 2022

Albion said:
However, it's been noted many times that most people did not "break into" anything or raise hell.

It may have been noted by deniers of reality but it is certainly untrue at the capitol. On what basis do you make such a claim?

Do you deny that Trump supporters breached Capitol security for the purpose of somehow getting Mike Pence to reject the electoral votes? Or what was the intention of those who broke through in your view? I try to be open minded. What exactly do you think happened at the Capitol on January 6th?

FreeinChrist · Jan 16, 2022

It amazes me that some would keep up a rather silly argument that the rioters on Jan. 6th were antifa rather than what the rioters themselves said - Trump supporters. The ONLY ones who could possibly benefit from the actions on Jan 6th are Trump supporters.

FreeinChrist said:
CNN's Facts First searchable database - CNN

CLAIM
In the wake of pro-Trump supporters storming the Capitol Wednesday, several Republican allies of the President are attempting to shift blame to supposed left-wing activists, namely Antifa.

Reps. Mo Brooks, Paul Gosar and Matt Gaetz have all promoted the idea that left-wing extremist group Antifa snuck in with Trump supporters during Wednesday's rally to provoke the mob......

This is false
EVIDENCE
None of this is true. The firm cited by the Washington Times has told two news outlets the story is false. The Federal Bureau of Investigation said there is no indication, as of Friday, that Antifa infiltrated the mob. Furthermore, right-wing extremists have been identified in the crowd that stormed the Capitol and CNN has, as of the publishing of this article, seen no evidence whatsoever of a left-wing infiltration of the mob.

The FBI told reporters Friday there's "no indication" that Antifa disguised themselves as Trump supporters to join the ranks of the mob.

When asked about the conspiracy theory, FBI Assistant Director in Charge of the Washington field office Steven D'antuono said "We have no indication of that at this time."

Antifa Didn't Storm The Capitol. Just Ask The Rioters.

Nearly as soon as the tear gas settled on the U.S. Capitol grounds on Jan. 6, the conspiracy theory began to pick up steam.

"Earlier today, the Capitol was under siege by people who can only be described as antithetical to the MAGA movement," Laura Ingraham told her viewers on Fox News that night. "They were likely not all Trump supporters, and there are some reports that antifa sympathizers may have been sprinkled throughout the crowd.".....

In those 24 hours, the lie that the rioters were actually antifa was mentioned more than 400,000 times online. It peaked on the anonymous imageboard site 4chan around 1 p.m. on Jan. 6, according to the Social Media Analysis Toolkit, which is around the same time that the barriers at the Capitol were breached. Then the sowing of doubt spread further: first on Parler and Twitter, then on Reddit, then on Fox News and in the halls of Congress.

But an NPR analysis of more than 280 people charged in the Capitol insurrection reveals a far different picture of the attack than the one painted by this baseless conspiracy theory — and it comes from the perspective of the rioters themselves.....

A handful repeated the conspiracy theory that antifa individuals were among the mob in a significant and organized way, but the vast majority did not, according to NPR's analysis.

In fact, some rioters seemed annoyed that antifa was getting the credit for the Capitol attack, and they took to social media to say so.

"Listen up: I hear so many reports of 'Antifa' was storming the capital [sic] building. Know that every single person who believes that narrative have been DUPED AGAIN!" Ryan Taylor Nichols, a Marine Corps veteran charged in the attack, posted on Facebook on Jan. 7, according to court documents. "Sure, there may have been some 'Antifa' in DC, but there wasn't enough to 'Storm the Capital' [sic] themselves."

So besides the Big lie that Trump won the election, there is the lie that Antifa was the problem in the Capitol and not Trump supporters.

Hammster · Jan 16, 2022

FreeinChrist said:
The ONLY ones who could possibly benefit from the actions on Jan 6th are Trump supporters.

I would say that this thread is proof of the opposite.

FreeinChrist · Jan 16, 2022

I disagree totally.

Akita Suggagaki · Jan 16, 2022

FreeinChrist said:
I disagree totally.

I think what he means if they had been successful on 1/6 in whatever they hoped to accomplish. But since they failed and are now viewed as foolish criminals they make all Trump supported look bad.

Hammster · Jan 16, 2022

Akita Suggagaki said:
I think what he means if they had been successful on 1/6 in whatever they hoped to accomplish. But since they failed and are now viewed as foolish criminals they make all Trump supported look bad.

What I mean is that it’s not unheard of for someone to do something and place the blame on someone else.

Akita Suggagaki · Jan 16, 2022

Hammster said:
What I mean is that it’s not unheard of for someone to do something and place the blame on someone else.

Then I don't understand you. Please say more.

Hammster · Jan 16, 2022

Akita Suggagaki said:
Then I don't understand you. Please say more.

It’s not unheard of for someone to do something and blame someone else.

Akita Suggagaki · Jan 16, 2022

Hammster said:
It’s not unheard of for someone to do something and blame someone else.

Yes, I know. But who do you think did what and is blaming someone else?

Hammster · Jan 16, 2022

Akita Suggagaki said:
Yes, I know. But who do you think did what and is blaming someone else?

I’m not saying anyone did it. I was just responding to a post saying only one side would benefit.

The Barbarian · Jan 18, 2022

Hammster said:
What I mean is that it’s not unheard of for someone to do something and place the blame on someone else.

It's always possible. However, the hundreds of people actually caught and brought to justice are all Trump supporters. If there were some others involved, I would expect that at least one of them would have been identified.

Hammster · Jan 18, 2022

The Barbarian said:
It's always possible. However, the hundreds of people actually caught and brought to justice are all Trump supporters. If there were some others involved, I would expect that at least one of them would have been identified.

I was just answering a question. I never said it was the case.

Tom 1 · Jan 19, 2022

Brihaha said:
Expected dogma for an election year.
"Don't heed your own eyes. Listen to my manipulative interpretation. You always do!"

It often seems more like ‘don’t worry, we’ll provide you with some dumb nonsense to believe, so you won’t have to deal with that silly reality stuff ! Yey’

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