Assyrians on Sabbath and Sunday Worship

MMXX said:

"The Lord's Day" only appears once in all of scripture in > Revelation 1:10

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There is no scripture linking the Lords day to Sunday or the first day of the week in the Koine Greek. The Lord's day according to the scriptures is the Sabbath (see Matthew 12:8)

LoveGodsWord said:

There is no scripture linking the Lords day to Sunday or the first day of the week in the Koine Greek. The Lord's day according to the scriptures is the Sabbath (see Matthew 12:8)

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Like I said, "the Lord's Day" only appears in Revelation 1:10. And I think that has more to do with the day of the Lord as seen in:

Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty. Isaiah 13:6

For the day is near, the day of the Lord is near— a day of clouds, a time of doom for the nations. Ezekiel 30:3

Alas for that day! For the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty. Joel 1:15

Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord! Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light. Amos 5:18

“The day of the Lord is near for all nations. As you have done, it will be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head. Obadiah 1:15

The great day of the Lord is near— near and coming quickly. The cry on the day of the Lord is bitter; the Mighty Warrior shouts his battle cry. Zephaniah 1:14

A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls. Zechariah 14:1

“See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes.
Malachi 4:5

The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. Acts of the Apostles 2:20

hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 5:5

as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus. 2 Corinthians 1:14

for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 1 Thessalonians 5:2

not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 2 Thessalonians 2:2

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 2 Peter 3:10

Those all seem to fit in well with Revelation.

LoveGodsWord said:

There is no scripture linking the Lords day to Sunday or the first day of the week in the Koine Greek. The Lord's day according to the scriptures is the Sabbath (see Matthew 12:8)

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I decided to reply in two parts since the first has so many verses about the day of the Lord.

I don't see how Matthew 12:8 has anything to do with Revelation 1:10 or all the verses about the day of the Lord. As for Jesus being the Lord of the sabbath, what isn't Jesus Lord of? Jesus is Lord of everything.

Now I think probably the early church started calling the first day of the week the Lord's Day, because that was the day of the resurrection.

Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. John 20:1

Afterwards on that day, the first day of the week, resurrected Jesus appeared to the Apostles.

MMXX said:

I decided to reply in two parts since the first has so many verses about the day of the Lord.

I don't see how Matthew 12:8 has anything to do with Revelation 1:10 or all the verses about the day of the Lord. As for Jesus being the Lord of the sabbath, what isn't Jesus Lord of? Jesus is Lord of everything.

Now I think probably the early church started calling the first day of the week the Lord's Day, because that was the day of the resurrection.

Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. John 20:1

Afterwards on that day, the first day of the week, resurrected Jesus appeared to the Apostles.

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You could have saved yourself some time with your posts here Brian. The Greek does not say "The day of the Lord" and it is not the same as "The Lord's day" in the Greek. The former is in reference to the second coming. John was not in the Spirit of the Lord's second coming. He was in the presence of Jesus in the heavenly Sanctuary (Revelation 1:12-17). The latter "The Lord's day" in the Greek simply means the Lord's ownership of the day. Hence John was in the Spirit of the Lord's day. Therefore we can ask the question; What day is the Lord's day or the day the Lord claims ownership of?

Matthew 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

The answer given by the scriptures is pretty clear here.

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We can also add the following scriptures

Ezekiel 20:19-21[19], I am the Lord your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; [20], and keep holy MY SABBATHS [my/God's seventh day rest/ my rest/God's rest]; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God. [21], notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; THEY POLLUTED MY SABBATHS [my/god's seventh day rest/ my rest/god's rest]: THEN I SAID I WOULD POUR OUT MY FURY ON THEM TO ACCOMPLISH MY ANGER ON THEM IN THE WILDERNESS. [22], nevertheless I withdrew my hand, and worked for my name's sake, that it [my sabbath/ my rest/ god's rest] should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight i brought them forth.

Ezekiel 21:12-13 [12], moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS [my/god's seventh day rest/ my rest], to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.[13], BUT THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL REBELLED AGAINST ME IN THE WILDERNESS: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and MY SABBATHS [my/god's seventh day rest/ my rest] they greatly polluted: THEN I SAID I WILL POUR OUT MY FURY ON THEM IN THE WILDERNESS TO CONSUME THEM.

Isaiah 58:12-14 [12], and they that shall be of you shall build the old waste places: you shall raise up the foundations of many generations; and you shall be called, the repairer of the breach, the restorer of paths to dwell in. [13], if you turn away your foot from the sabbath, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY [my/god's holy seventh day rest]; and call the sabbath [god's rest/seventh day rest] a delight, the holy of the Lord, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], then shall you delight yourself in the lord; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the Lord has spoken it.

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John therefore according to the scriptures I believe was in the Spirit of the Sabbath day. The reference to "the Lords day" is John acknowledging Jesus as the creator God of Heaven and earth.

Hope this is helpful

LoveGodsWord said:

You could have saved yourself some time with your posts here.

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I have plenty of time. The sabbath is a slow day.

LoveGodsWord said:

The "Day of the Lord" is not the same as "The Lord's day" in the Greek. The former is in reference to the second coming. John was not in the Spirit of the Lord's second coming. He was in the presence of Jesus in the heavenly Sanctuary. The latter "The Lord's day" in the Greek simply means the Lord's ownership of the day. Hence John was in the Spirit of the Lord's day.

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I don't think the Lord's Day mentioned in Revelation has anything to do with the early church calling the first day of the week the Lord's Day. I think they started calling the first day of the week the Lord's Day, because that was the day of the Resurrection (John 20:1). The day that the risen Jesus appeared to the Apostles who were all gathered together. The term the Lord's Day being used that way can just as easily be called Resurrection Day or Resurrection Sunday.

MMXX said:

I have plenty of time. The sabbath is a slow day.
I don't think the Lord's Day mentioned in Revelation has anything to do with the early church calling the first day of the week the Lord's Day. I think they started calling the first day of the week the Lord's Day, because that was the day of the Resurrection (John 20:1). The day that the risen Jesus appeared to the Apostles who were all gathered together. The term the Lord's Day being used that way can just as easily be called Resurrection Day or Resurrection Sunday.

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Well this is my point Brian. There is no scripture linking "the Lords day" to the first day of the week or Sunday. On the other hand scripture does link "the Lords day" to Jesus as being the creator God of heaven and earth *John 1:1-4; 14 and Lord of the Sabbath day *Matthew 12:8.

HAPPY SABBATH btw

LoveGodsWord said:

Well this is my point Brian. There is no scripture linking "the Lords day" to the first day of the week or Sunday. On the other hand scripture does link "the Lords day" to Jesus as being the creator God of heaven and earth *John 1:1-4; 14 and Lord of the Sabbath day *Matthew 12:8.

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I think it's more likely the first day of the week became known as the Lord's Day because that was the day of the Resurrection. So the applicable verse would be John 20:1.

LoveGodsWord said:

HAPPY SABBATH btw

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Likewise.

MMXX said:

I think it's more likely the first day of the week became known as the Lord's Day because that was the day of the Resurrection. So the applicable verse would be John 20:1.

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Trouble is that does not align with the scripture in Revelation 1:10 and the man-made teaching that Revelation 1:10 is a reference to Sunday or the first day of the week as the resurrection of Jesus.

MMXX said:

I think it's more likely the first day of the week became know as the Lord's Day because that was the day of the Resurrection. So the applicable verse would be John 20:1.

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I don't see anywhere in that scripture about a new commandment or new holy day.

Here is Luke's account and it shows Mary still keeping the Sabbath commandment. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. Luke 23:56

SabbathBlessings said:

I don't see anywhere in that scripture about a new commandment or new holy day.

Here is Luke's account and it shows Mary still keeping the Sabbath commandment. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. Luke 23:56

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I don't think when the church got going they waited for the Bible to be compiled to use as reference. They most likely made decisions before that. It seems doubtful what Luke recorded in Acts and the few letters from Paul, Peter John and James were the only things the first century church discussed and decided on.

MMXX said:

I don't think when the church got going they waited for the Bible to be compiled to use as reference. They most likely made decisions before that. It seems doubtful what Luke recorded in Acts and the few letters from Paul, Peter John and James were the only things the early church discussed and decided on.

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When the early Church started their bible was the old testament scriptures and the words of Jesus who the old testament scriptures foretold as the propmised Messiah, which gradually expanded to the writings of the apostles about Jesus and the new covenant fulfillment of old covenant scriptures. The claim that Revelation 1:10 is talking about the resurrection of Jesus and Sunday worship is simply a man-made teaching that is not supported in the scriptures invented sometime latter.

MMXX said:

I don't think when the church got going they waited for the Bible to be compiled to use as reference. They most likely made decisions before that. It seems doubtful what Luke recorded in Acts and the few letters from Paul, Peter John and James were the only things the early church discussed and decided on.

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Hi there and Happy Sabbath

To me that's a lot of assumptions and there is no need to assume when God makes it clear from the beginning which day He set apart to make holy Genesis 2:1-3 and commanded us to keep holy and "remember" Exodus 20:8-11 and Jesus kept throughout the New Testament as our example Luke 4:16, John 15:10 and will continue as God's chosen day of worship as promised Exodus 31:16, Isaiah 66:23 I don't think assuming is wise when we have God's Word on which day God deems as the holy day of the Lord they God. Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13.

God bless!

As far as what scripture says about the church:

If I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15

Although when Paul wrote that, 1 Timothy was just a letter to Timothy. It didn't become known as scripture until many years later.

MMXX said:

As far as what scripture says about the church:

If I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15

Although when Paul wrote that, 1 Timothy was just a letter to Timothy. It didn't become known as scripture until many years later.

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I think there is a lot of truth in that scripture Brian, which is why it is scripture and no longer a letter. God's true Church of course being those who believe and follow the truth of the living God. It is God and God's true Church that is the pillar and foundation of truth because they believe and follow Gods' Word which according to the scriptures is the truth (John 17:17). Whether the scripture here was a letter in the past or scripture now does not really make much difference to us now as it is scripture now that we should believe and follow just like all the Word of God according to Jesus *Matthew 4:4.

God bless.

SabbathBlessings said:

Hi there and Happy Sabbath

To me that's a lot of assumptions and there is no need to assume when God makes it clear from the beginning which day He set apart to make holy Genesis 2:1-3 and commanded us to keep holy and "remember" Exodus 20:8-11 and Jesus kept throughout the New Testament as our example Luke 4:16, John 15:10 and will continue as God's chosen day of worship as promised Exodus 31:16, Isaiah 66:23 I don't think assuming is wise when we have God's Word on which day God deems as the holy day of the Lord they God. Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13.

God bless!

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All of that was prior to the New Covenant and the start of the Church established by Jesus Christ. Not everything discussed and established in the Church can be found in the letters the Church decided to canonize and put together to form the New Testament. We also have to go by writings by the first century church fathers to understand the full history and doctrine of the first century Church.

And one thing the neither the New Testament nor the first century Church established was sola scriptura. Martin Luther and others established that rule 1,500 years later.

LoveGodsWord said:

Your response here..

You did not read the post you got the study from did you.

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Yes I did.

MMXX said:

All of that was prior to the New Covenant and the start of the Church established by Jesus Christ. Not everything discussed and established in the Church can be found in the letters the Church decided to canonize and put together to form the New Testament. We also have to go by writings by the first century church fathers to understand the full history and doctrine of the first century Church.

And one thing the neither the New Testament and the first century Church established was sola scriptura. Martin Luther and others established that rule 1,500 years later.

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I do not agree with this Brian because Jesus, Paul and Peter clearly state that even in their days there were false teachers dressed as wolves in sheep's clothing seeking to lead Gods' people away from God and His Word. We are warned in the very words of Jesus, Paul and Peter that there will be many false teachers seeking to lead Gods' people away from God and his Word (see Acts of the Apostles 20:29; 2 Peter 2:1; Matthew 24:24). So to claim that we need to seek sources outside of God's Word that disagrees with God's Word in my mind is going in a direction that is in contradiction to the warnings given us in the scriptures. Martin Luther did not establish sola scriptura btw he only pointed to it being in the bible in 2 Timothy 3:16 and Matthew 4:4 etc; when no one (the masses) had access to the bible

MMXX said:

All of that was prior to the New Covenant and the start of the Church established by Jesus Christ. Not everything discussed and established in the Church can be found in the letters the Church decided to canonize and put together to form the New Testament. We also have to go by writings by the first century church fathers to understand the full history and doctrine of the first century Church.

And one thing the neither the New Testament and the first century Church established was sola scriptura. Martin Luther and others established that rule 1,500 years later.

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Jesus is not in conflict with God's laws and came to do the will of His Father John 6:38.

God's laws did not change in the new covenant, only the promises. God's laws are now written in the heart Jeremiah 31:33. God's laws are about love and we fulfill these laws when we obey. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3

Jesus did not come to destroy God's laws but came to magnify Isaiah 42:21 Mathew 5:17-20. Jesus kept the Sabbath as it was His custom reading scriptures in the Temple Luke 4:16. Jesus also warns us not to follow traditions over commandments and specifically says it is worshipping in vain. Matthew 15:3-9

God's saints still keep the commandments of God, like there has always been a remnant (small amount of the original) Revelations 12:17, Revelations 14:12

God gives us free will, but when He asks us to Remember something I don't think that means change, delete or forget.

God bless

SabbathBlessings said:

Jesus is not in conflict with God's laws and came to do the will of His Father John 6:38.

God's laws did not change in the new covenant, only the promises. God's laws are now written in the heart Jeremiah 31:33. God's laws are about love and we fulfill these laws when we obey. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3

Jesus did not come to destroy God's laws but came to magnify Isaiah 42:21 Mathew 5:17-20. Jesus kept the Sabbath as it was His custom reading scriptures in the Temple Luke 4:16. Jesus also warns us not to follow traditions over commandments and specifically says it is worshipping in vain. Matthew 15:3-9

God's saints still keep the commandments of God, like there has always been a remnant (small amount of the original) Revelations 12:17, Revelations 14:12

God gives us free will, but when He asks us to Remember something I don't think that means change, delete or forget.

God bless

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I've read those SDA apologetics before.

MMXX said:

I've read those SDA apologetics before.

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I only quoted scripture, so your argument is not with the SDA church.