Why do SDA preach

SabbathBlessings said:

God's law is eternal Psalms 89:34 so no God's law did not pass away.

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In context Psalm 89:34 is talking about the covenant with the house of David, fulfilled in Christ, who reigns on David's throne.


Psa 89:1 A Maskil of Ethan the Ezrahite. I will sing of the steadfast love of the LORD, forever; with my mouth I will make known your faithfulness to all generations.
Psa 89:2 For I said, “Steadfast love will be built up forever; in the heavens you will establish your faithfulness.”
Psa 89:3 You have said, “I have made a covenant with my chosen one; I have sworn to David my servant:
Psa 89:4 ‘I will establish your offspring forever, and build your throne for all generations.’” Selah
Psa 89:5 Let the heavens praise your wonders, O LORD, your faithfulness in the assembly of the holy ones!
Psa 89:6 For who in the skies can be compared to the LORD? Who among the heavenly beings is like the LORD,
Psa 89:7 a God greatly to be feared in the council of the holy ones, and awesome above all who are around him?
Psa 89:8 O LORD God of hosts, who is mighty as you are, O LORD, with your faithfulness all around you?
Psa 89:9 You rule the raging of the sea; when its waves rise, you still them.
Psa 89:10 You crushed Rahab like a carcass; you scattered your enemies with your mighty arm.
Psa 89:11 The heavens are yours; the earth also is yours; the world and all that is in it, you have founded them.
Psa 89:12 The north and the south, you have created them; Tabor and Hermon joyously praise your name.
Psa 89:13 You have a mighty arm; strong is your hand, high your right hand.
Psa 89:14 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; steadfast love and faithfulness go before you.
Psa 89:15 Blessed are the people who know the festal shout, who walk, O LORD, in the light of your face,
Psa 89:16 who exult in your name all the day and in your righteousness are exalted.
Psa 89:17 For you are the glory of their strength; by your favor our horn is exalted.
Psa 89:18 For our shield belongs to the LORD, our king to the Holy One of Israel.
Psa 89:19 Of old you spoke in a vision to your godly one, and said: “I have granted help to one who is mighty; I have exalted one chosen from the people.
Psa 89:20 I have found David, my servant; with my holy oil I have anointed him,
Psa 89:21 so that my hand shall be established with him; my arm also shall strengthen him.
Psa 89:22 The enemy shall not outwit him; the wicked shall not humble him.
Psa 89:23 I will crush his foes before him and strike down those who hate him.
Psa 89:24 My faithfulness and my steadfast love shall be with him, and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
Psa 89:25 I will set his hand on the sea and his right hand on the rivers.
Psa 89:26 He shall cry to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’
Psa 89:27 And I will make him the firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth.
Psa 89:28 My steadfast love I will keep for him forever, and my covenant will stand firm for him.
Psa 89:29 I will establish his offspring forever and his throne as the days of the heavens.
Psa 89:30 If his children forsake my law and do not walk according to my rules,
Psa 89:31 if they violate my statutes and do not keep my commandments,
Psa 89:32 then I will punish their transgression with the rod and their iniquity with stripes,
Psa 89:33 but I will not remove from him my steadfast love or be false to my faithfulness.
Psa 89:34 I will not violate my covenant or alter the word that went forth from my lips.
Psa 89:35 Once for all I have sworn by my holiness; I will not lie to David.
Psa 89:36 His offspring shall endure forever, his throne as long as the sun before me.
Psa 89:37 Like the moon it shall be established forever, a faithful witness in the skies.” Selah
Psa 89:38 But now you have cast off and rejected; you are full of wrath against your anointed.
Psa 89:39 You have renounced the covenant with your servant; you have defiled his crown in the dust.
Psa 89:40 You have breached all his walls; you have laid his strongholds in ruins.
Psa 89:41 All who pass by plunder him; he has become the scorn of his neighbors.
Psa 89:42 You have exalted the right hand of his foes; you have made all his enemies rejoice.
Psa 89:43 You have also turned back the edge of his sword, and you have not made him stand in battle.
Psa 89:44 You have made his splendor to cease and cast his throne to the ground.
Psa 89:45 You have cut short the days of his youth; you have covered him with shame. Selah
Psa 89:46 How long, O LORD? Will you hide yourself forever? How long will your wrath burn like fire?
Psa 89:47 Remember how short my time is! For what vanity you have created all the children of man!
Psa 89:48 What man can live and never see death? Who can deliver his soul from the power of Sheol? Selah
Psa 89:49 Lord, where is your steadfast love of old, which by your faithfulness you swore to David?
Psa 89:50 Remember, O Lord, how your servants are mocked, and how I bear in my heart the insults of all the many nations,
Psa 89:51 with which your enemies mock, O LORD, with which they mock the footsteps of your anointed.
Psa 89:52 Blessed be the LORD forever! Amen and Amen.

Major1 said:

You said.........
"worship can be done on any day, but God does not come for a visit on any day other ."

Would you please post the Bible Scripture from the Word of God to validate that statement!

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Exodus 19 & 20

You said...........
"He makes and appointment and visits on the sabbath."

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moedim's were set up at creation, not exodus therefore we conclude that the appointment of the Sabbath was the time God came to visit.

The biblical chapter that summarizes these festival days, these moedim, is Leviticus 23. Most specifically, Leviticus 23:1-4. (Note: Moedim is translated as “appointed times” in verses 2 and 4.)

The Lord spoke to Moses: “Speak to the Israelites and tell them: These are My appointed times, the times of the Lord that you will proclaim as sacred assemblies. Work may be done for six days, but on the seventh day there must be a Sabbath of complete rest, a sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; it is a Sabbath to the Lord wherever you live. These are the Lord's appointed times, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times.” (HCSB) (emphasis ours)

The remainder of Leviticus 23 discusses the moedim, the holy days, in their sequence through the year.



Same question my friend. What is the Scripture basis? Leviticus 23 they are call appointment. So God makes an appointment he comes for a visit.

You do realize that the Scriptures say that we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and anytime that two or more are gathered together, there He is also......Right?

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nice way of trying to pit the God against the holy spirit, but it won't work when you look at what God says he is trying to accomplish. The restoration of the Garden of Eden. in order to do that you need 3 things a holy people, a holy place and a holy time. Do you find it curious that Jesus did his work on the sabbath. He specifically set out to cause a problem and show his Lordship over the sin and creation on the Sabbath day. His first act of power was at a party, celebrating a creation ordinance.

Major1 said:

Sabbatarian says Isaiah 66 is proof that Christians will observe Sabbath now, and in the new heaven. Does Isaiah 66 teach that Christians should observe the Sabbath?

If Isa 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish Sabbath in heaven, then it also teaches we will keep the Jewish New Moon festival in heaven! “And it shall be from new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me, says the Lord” Isa 66:23.

Sabbatarians have the Jewish new moon festival observances in heaven based on the above text! If they insist on Sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66, they also need to observe new moons NOW. But most Sabbatarian’s don’t observe new moons. That’s inconsistent! Are New moons and Sabbath keeping a requirement for Christians based on the New Covenant terms? No.

Col. 2:16 ‘Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day’’

Ezekiel 46:3 is the very same thing!

Psalms 92:1 is both a Psalm and a Song, full of equal measures of solemnity and joy; and it was intended to be sung upon the day of rest. nothing there to suggest a day of worship on a Saturday.

Revelation 14:8 has nothing to do whatsoever with the doctrines of the church. Nothing there at all about Saturday worship.

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is proof that the Christ will rule and regin in Jerusalem for 1000 years and we are to wait for God to establish that regin, in stead of trying to do it ourselves, this is the prophetic basis of Sabbath being the seal of God and sunday being the mark of the beast. The church will try to do that job it's self, instead of wait for God to do it. the will over step the boundry between religious worship and moral obediance, they will force religious observance, not just moral behavior.

BobRyan said:

Isaiah 66:23 from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD
23... from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord. (NASB)

Showing that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - all mankind will be keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship, a day of holy convocation

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Half of this verse, which is part of a four verse prophecy, keeps being posted to people who have already pointed out why it doesn't say what you're trying to make it say. The fact that Sabbatarians keep posting this same fragment of a passage, tells me that they have very weak to nonexistent scriptural support for their view.

Really what it all seems to boil down to is, you must attend church on Saturday, and that church needs to be a Seventh Day Adventist church.

mmksparbud said:

Well, your church---nor you ---moved it. The Catholic church---the only church at the time of it being moved, did.

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It seems in other words, God has let all of Christendom be in grievous error for two thousand years, until he sent an angel to speak to a 19th century American. Which incidentally is the same claim the Mormon church makes.

MMXX said:

It seems in other words, God has let all of Christendom be in grievous error for two thousand years, until he sent an angel to speak to a 19th century American. Which incidentally is the same claim the Mormon church makes.

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Or you could look at it this way. What does the bible say? Scripture has only been presented here what is it you do not believe from the scripture and why? Is not Jesus the one that says if we follow man-made teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God *Matthew 15:3-9? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is none therefore do I believe the words of Jesus if I keep Sunday over God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments? Who should we believe and follow then God or man? Gods' 4th commandment according to the scriptures is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is under the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we break anyone of them according to the scriptures we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. This is a pretty serious argument from the scriptures in my view. Of we are all free to believe and do whatever we like as we all answer only to God come judgement day where we will be judged by the very Words of God we accept or reject according to John 12:47-48.

Something to pray about.

MMXX said:

Half of this verse, which is part of a four verse prophecy, keeps being posted to people who have already pointed out why it doesn't say what you're trying to make it say. The fact that Sabbatarians keep posting this same fragment of a passage, tells me that they have very weak to nonexistent scriptural support for their view. Really what it all seems to boil down to is, you must attend church on Saturday, and that church needs to be a Seventh Day Adventist church.

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I respectfully disagree with the claims made in this post but allow me to explain why from the scriptures. For me I rarely feel the need to post Isaiah 66:22-23 when discussing Gods 4th commandment from the scriptures as it can be clearly shown from the scriptures that Gods' 10 commandments are the standard of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing). As shown in the previous post this is clearly shown in the new covenant scriptures in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James says if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11.

Jesus and the Apostles taught God's 10 commandments in the new covenant (scripture support here) and everyone of God's 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment is repeated in the new covenant (scripture support here). There question we should all consider then is who should we believe God or man? Do we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God that Jesus warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9 or the Word of God?

As to Isaiah 66:22-23? I just see this as one of many scriptures that show that God's 4th commandment is an everlasting covenant *Exodus 31:16-17 that will be kept in the new earth *Isaiah 66:22-23 and is a sign of God's true people who keep all the commandments of God through faith in God's Word as shown in the scriptures in Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14 (see also 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-10). Understanding all of this is not very difficult if one can see that sin, defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments or not believing and following Gods' Word (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; James 2:10-11 and Romans 14:23) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil as shown in 1 John 3:3-10.

So for the reasons highlighted above I honestly do not understand why some do not believe Isaiah 66:22-23 which is talking about God's people continuing to keep God's Sabbath in the new earth. It is Gods' Word in my view and we should believe and follow it. Isaiah 66:22-23 says; [22], For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD.

As shown above Isaiah 66:22-23 is only two bricks (scriptures) of a building made of scripture that shows the completed building in both the old and new testament scriptures that show that God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments which are the standard for Christian living that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172). So really what it really boils down to is who should we believe and follow; God or man? Who should we believe and follow; the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God or the Word of God. This is something we should all prayerfully decide as once we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it will effect us for all eternity according to Hebrews 10:26-31.

Hope this is helpful

LoveGodsWord said:

Or you could look at it this way. What does the bible say? Scripture has only been presented here what is it you do not believe from the scripture and why? Is not Jesus the one that says if we follow man-made teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God *Matthew 15:3-9

Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is none therefore do I believe the words of Jesus if I keep Sunday over God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments? Who should we believe and follow then God or man? Gods' 4th commandment according to the scriptures is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is under the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we break anyone of them according to the scriptures we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. This is a pretty serious argument from the scriptures in my view. Of we are all free to believe and do whatever we like as we all answer only to God come judgement day where we will be judged by the very Words of God we accept or reject according to John 12:47-48.

Something to pray about.

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It seems an age-old and flawed (perhaps even duplicitous) argument that not believing in a doctrine means not believing in scripture, when what it really means is not believing in a particular interpretation of scripture. I'm sure you yourself do not believe in every doctrine that claims to be supported by scripture. So the accusation you're making against me, could just as easily be made by someone against you.

From what I understand the contention of 95% (figuratively speaking) of the Body of Christ has always been that the Old Covenant was not abolished, but was rather fulfilled in Jesus Christ. And a plethora of scripture to support that view has been presented in threads like these on CF and elsewhere. You point out that scripture says that if we break just one of the commandments of the Mosaic Law, we are guilty of braking the entire Law. And who doesn't break at least one commandment of Mosaic Law? From what I understand no one is capable of not breaking at least one commandment of the Law. Which is why we needed Jesus Christ to fulfill the requirements of the Mosaic Law for us.

LoveGodsWord said:

I respectfully disagree with the claims made in this post but allow me to explain why from the scriptures. For me I rarely feel the need to post Isaiah 66:22-23 when discussing Gods 4th commandment from the scriptures as it can be clearly shown from the scriptures that Gods' 10 commandments are the standard of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing). As shown in the previous post this is clearly shown in the new covenant scriptures in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James says if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11.

Jesus and the Apostles taught God's 10 commandments in the new covenant (scripture support here) and everyone of God's 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment is repeated in the new covenant (scripture support here). There question we should all consider then is who should we believe God or man? Do we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God that Jesus warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9 or the Word of God?

As to Isaiah 66:22-23? I just see this as one of many scriptures that show that God's 4th commandment is an everlasting covenant *Exodus 31:16-17 that will be kept in the new earth *Isaiah 66:22-23 and is a sign of God's true people who keep all the commandments of God through faith in God's Word as shown in the scriptures in Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14 (see also 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-10). Understanding all of this is not very difficult if one can see that sin, defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments or not believing and following Gods' Word (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; James 2:10-11 and Romans 14:23) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil as shown in 1 John 3:3-10.

So for the reasons highlighted above I honestly do not understand why some do not believe Isaiah 66:22-23 which is talking about God's people continuing to keep God's Sabbath in the new earth. It is Gods' Word in my view and we should believe and follow it. Isaiah 66:22-23 says; [22], For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD.

As shown above Isaiah 66:22-23 is only two bricks of a building made of bricks (scripture) that shows the completed building in both the old and new testament scriptures showing that God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments which are the standard for Christian living that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172). So really what it really boils down to is who should we believe and follow; God or man? Who should we believe and follow; the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God or the Word of God. This is something we should all prayerfully decide as once we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it will effect us for all eternity according to Hebrews 10:26-31.

Hope this is helpful

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So in a nutshell, what am I supposed to do regarding this?

MMXX said:

It seems an age-old and flawed (perhaps even duplicitous) argument that not believing in a doctrine means not believing in scripture, when what it really means is not believing in a particular interpretation of scripture. I'm sure you yourself do not believe in every doctrine that claims to be supported by scripture. So the false accusation you're making against me, could just as easily be made by someone against you.

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I think what we should always remember is that according to the scriptures it is written that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." - 2 Timothy 3:16. I think the point being made here is that biblical doctrine is based on the scriptures. Doctrine that is not based on the scriptures of course is as you have pointed out is a flawed argument. I think the main point here that I would make is that just because there is many interpretation of the scriptures is that an argument that there is not a correct interpretation of the scriptures? Or rather is it an argument for the fulfillment of the scriptures that in the last days there will be many false prophets and false Christs showing great signs and wonders to deceive if possible God's very elect *Matthew 24:24. I think I have posted somewhere in this thread to someone that I personally believe according to the scriptures that God's people are in every Church *John 10:16 living up to all the light that God has given them but according to the very words of Jesus the hour is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship the Farther in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God is calling us where ever we might be out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God *Revelation 18:1-5. BABYLON and her daughters have fallen and departed Gods' Word. God is calling us back to His Word. Gods' sheep hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear do not follow because they are not His sheep according to John 10:26-27. I have not made any false accusations against you MMXX, I have only provided scripture as to why I would agree or disagree with your posts because for me only Gods Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

MMXX said:

The contention of 95% of the Body of Christ has always been that the Old Covenant was not abolished, but was rather fulfilled in Jesus Christ. And a plethora of scripture to support that view has been presented in threads like these on CF and elsewhere. You point out that scripture says that if we break just one of the commandments of the Mosaic Law we are guilty of braking the entire Law. And who doesn't break at least one commandment of Mosaic Law?

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Perhaps you might have a misunderstanding as to what has been shared with you from someone. According to the scriptures and I agree with you that the old covenant is indeed fulfilled and continued in Christ to who it points to and is continued in. What I do find however is when talking to different people across these forums is that when asked very few people know what the old covenant was that was fulfilled in Christ. I talk to some people and I was talking to one the other day that believes that none of the Mosiac laws are fulfilled in Christ and he believes in animal sacrifices, the Levitical Priesthood with an earthly Sanctuary; the Feast days etc despite as you say and I agree there is a plethora of scripture against such a teaching. In the other extreme I regularly come across others that believe Gods' 10 commandments have been fulfilled as in abolished in the new covenant despite a plethora of scripture against this unbiblical teaching of lawlessness (without law).

When I point out the scripture that says if we break one law we stand before God of breaking all the law from James 2:10-11 it is specific to the subject matter which is God's 10 commandments as it is quoting thou shalt not murder and thou shalt not commit adultery. So we break one of God's 10 commandments it is saying we are guilty of breaking all of them and of course this would include God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments which is one of God's 10 commandments. The scripture says in James 2:10-11 [10], For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

This agrees with John where he says in 1 John 3:4 [4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law and also what Paul says in Romans 7:7 where he says [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet. So the subject matter to the above is specifically to God's eternal laws of good and evil (10 commandments). We are not talking about the Mosiac "shadow laws" of remission of sins from the Mosaic book of the old covenant that are fulfilled and continued in Christ based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6 here. So what we need to keep in mind here is what made up the old covenant? Many do not seem to understand this subject matter. God's law (10 commandments) is not the same as the Mosiac book of the law or covenant *Exodus 24:7 when we look at the scriptures.

Hope this might be helpful in clearing up any misunderstandings.

MMXX said:

So in a nutshell, what am I supposed to do regarding this?

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Simply love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul and believe and follow what Gods' Word says. God does not ask us for anything more. Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 obeys God's 10 commandments from the inside out by faith and dependence on what God's Word says and it is God who works in us to will and to do of His own good pleasure *Philippians 2:13. Therefore our faith does not abolish the law as some teach but establishes Gods' law in all those who through faith believe Gods' Word *Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4 (see Romans 6:1-23). Love is expressed through obedience to God's law not by breaking Gods' law according to the scriptures (see Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; John 14:15; John 15:10; 1 John 5:2-3; Revelation 12:17: Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6). Sin according to the scripture is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 and not believing and following Gods' Word *Romans 14:23 and according to the scriptures is the difference between the children of God ans the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10.

God bless

LoveGodsWord said:

Simply love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul and believe and follow what Gods' Word says. God does not ask us for anything more. Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 obeys God's 10 commandments from the inside out by faith and dependence on what God's Word says and it is God who works in us to will and to do of His own good pleasure *Philippians 2:13. Therefore our faith does not abolish the law as some teach but establishes Gods' law in all those who through faith believe Gods' Word *Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4 (see Romans 6:1-23). Love is expressed through obedience to God's law not by breaking Gods' law according to the scriptures (see Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; John 14:15; John 15:10; 1 John 5:2-3; Revelation 12:17: Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6). Sin according to the scripture is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 and not believing and following Gods' Word *Romans 14:23 and according to the scriptures is the difference between the children of God ans the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10.

God bless

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What spacific thing do I need to do to obey God's 4th Commandment?

MMXX said:

What spacific thing do I need to do to obey God's 4th Commandment?

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Good question MMXX. Beside the post you are quoting from which about obeying God from the heart because we love Him. Here are a few scriptures that might be helpful in regards to what the bible says about Sabbath keeping.

HOW DO WE KEEP THE SABBATH?

What does the 4th commandment say?

Exodus 20:8-11 [8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day) [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

WHAT DAY IS GOD'S SABBATH?
v10 The SEVENTH DAY of the week. (Saturday)

WHEN DOES THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK START?

Genesis 1:4-5 [4], And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. [5], And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

A day in God's time is the night (darkness) and the light make up one day. The DAY in God's WORD starts at SUNSET and ends the following SUNSET. So God's 4th Commandment Sabbath would start Friday at SUNSET and end Saturday at SUNSET.

ALL UNNECESSARY WORK TO BE DONE BEFORE FRIDAY SUNSET

Exodus 16:22-23 [22], And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. [23], And he said to them, This is that which the LORD has said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath to the LORD: bake that which you will bake to day, and seethe that you will seethe; and that which remains over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

Mark 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath

The preparation day is the 6th day of the week. This includes preparing to stop all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week.

IT IS LAWFUL TO DO GOOD ON THE SABBATH

Matthew 12:5-12 [5], Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? [6], But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. [7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless. [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day [9], And when he was departed from there, he went into their synagogue: [10], And, behold, there was a man who had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. [11], And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? [12], How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Mark 2:27, And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

WHAT IS LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?
1. Remembering the creator and his creation (Exodus 20:8-11)
2. Rest from all unnecessary work (Exodus 20:10-11)
3. Doing good (Matthew 12:12)
4. Prayer (Acts of the Apostles 16:13; Matthew 21:13)
5. Worship the creator (Isaiah 58:13-14; Exodus 34:14; 1Kings 9:6; Revelation 14:6-12)

Song, praise, bible study, helping others, preaching the gospel, resting, prayer, seeking God, remembering the creator and his creation. Walking in nature, going to church with like minded believers. (too many scriptures)

WHAT IS NOT LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?

WORK; all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week and anything to do with work (Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 16:22-23; Matthew 21:13).

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There is no purpose in following any of God's Laws including the SABBATH if it is not done through faith that works by love because it is only as God writes His Law to love in our hearts that we can take up our beds to follow him. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in those who believe and follow God's Word (Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 5:3-4)

Hope this is helpful

Albion said:

No. It didn't. And the sooner Sabbatarians learn that this common mistake is indeed incorrect, the sooner it might be possible to discuss this subject without everybody just shouting "I'm right!...No, I'M right" at each other.


See the above. Nothing has changed since I wrote that.


To some extent that it is probably so, but ignore one part of it and it could be said that the New Testament has indeed been dismissed. It's all the word of God, you know.

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Again, history, even the Catholic church itself proves otherwise.
Again, it is the whole NT and OT that makes up God's word. Not one of which is ignored by us. EVERY WORD--not just select ones.

MMXX said:

It seems in other words, God has let all of Christendom be in grievous error for two thousand years, until he sent an angel to speak to a 19th century American. Which incidentally is the same claim the Mormon church makes.

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Absolutely not!! The disciple's all kept the Sabbath. There were Sabbath keepers throughout history, the Catholic church tried to kill sabbath keepers in many countries. there were Sabbath keepers who came to this country long before we were ever even thought of. Again, if you were up on facts, you would know that EGW was not the one that got us into 7th day keeping. She was informed of it by people in other denominations who where aware of it. It was a whole lot of different denominations, all studying the bible, that decided it was truth and followed it. It is entirely biblical---It is a commandment from God Himself---doesn't get plainer than that.

LoveGodsWord said:

5. Worship the creator (Isaiah 58:13-14; Exodus 34:14; 1Kings 9:6; Revelation 14:6-12)

Song, praise, bible study, helping others, preaching the gospel, resting, prayer, seeking God, remembering the creator and his creation. Walking in nature, going to church with like minded believers. (too many scriptures)

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Regarding #5 Worship the creator; Do I have to attend a church service on the 7th day to be in compliance?

mmksparbud said:

Absolutely not!! The disciple's all kept the Sabbath. There were Sabbath keepers throughout history, the Catholic church tried to kill sabbath keepers in many countries. there were Sabbath keepers who came to this country long before we were ever even thought of. Again, if you were up on facts, you would know that EGW was not the one that got us into 7th day keeping. She was informed of it by people in other denominations who where aware of it. It was a whole lot of different denominations, all studying the bible, that decided it was truth and followed it. It is entirely biblical---It is a commandment from God Himself---doesn't get plainer than that.

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So EGW never said she received messages from an angel and had prophetic visons regarding sabbath keeping? But instead it just came to her from people?

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Regarding #5 Worship the creator; Do I have to attend a church service on the 7th day to be in compliance?

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Hi MMXX, no you do not have to attend Church on the Sabbath but Jesus and the Apostles were our examples and they attended Church on the Sabbath and also we are told in the scriptures not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together with believers of like mind. I do not personally go to Church every Sabbath. Sometime we might take the family and spend some time outside in nature and Gods' creation or a combination of both. It is more about resting from our secular work and spending the day with God according to the scriptures.

God bless

MMXX said:

So EGW never said she received messages from an angel and had prophetic visons regarding sabbath keeping? But instead it just came to her from people?

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It came from God's Word that is clearly outlined in the Bible. Many didn't believe Jesus was the Son of God either. The visions EGW had was to bring people back to God's Word. Have you ever read an EW book? I am guessing that's a no. Maybe read a book or two and try to prove her wrong starting with Steps to Christ.

LoveGodsWord said:

Hi MMXX, no you do not have to attend Church on the Sabbath but Jesus and the Apostles were our examples and they attended Church on the Sabbath and also we are told in the scriptures not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together with believers of like mind. I do not personally go to Church every Sabbath. Sometime we might take the family and spend some time outside in nature and Gods' creation.

God bless

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I agree with assembling of ourselves together with believers of like mind. But I've done that by attending church on Saturdays, Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. And home Bible studies. And I think even being on this forum has been a way of assembling, especially during the Covid shutdown.

And I'm sure the Apostles were quite active within the church most days a week. And I doubt the early congregations only got together for a couple of hours once a week. Many gathered together in each other's homes.

But anyways you having said that, the argument over the Sabbath being a day of worship seems moot. Because I don't think there's any objection to worshipping on the Sabbath. But rather there's an objection to the idea that you MUST attend a Seventh Day Adventist Church on Saturday or else you are disobeying the 4th Commandment.

I believe we should continually be worshipping God, and His praise should be continually be on our lips, per Psalms 34.