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That does not change the fact that you teach the Four Gospels are only for the Jews. Your messages make that clear to anyone - As your quotes clearly show. That is so obvious to any reading your posts, as you keep referring to the Pauline Gospel as the only legitimate Gospel, and all the words of Lord Jesus in the Four Gospel was only for the Jews under the Law.

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Obviously James teaches the Kingdom Law that Jesus taught. Mosaic-Law Proselytes are a well-known fact... look at of all the nations where the 10 commandments have been held. Therefore, I agree with you... it's obvious that Paul's Gospel is NOT the only Gospel available to all of the nations.

Anyone heavy-burdened by the Mosaic Law has the good news of the Kingdom Law... because Jesus' yoke is easy and His burden light. Keeping the commandments of God as spoken by Jesus will bring you safe to the Kingdom.
 
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Because context matters:

Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.

onoma = a "name" (literally or figuratively) (authority, character)

Jesus didn’t refer to the revelation Peter had received as the rock He just renamed Simon to Petros which literally means rock.

I can give you reasons why I think this, if you wish... but they're going to harm the wise masterbuilder foundation if you try to make these two the same gospel. My reasons have to do with the rock and the authority of Jesus.

Im all ears friend.
It's just a chain of thoughts.

From Birth: The Forever Kingdom

Esaias 9:6 For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon His shoulder: and His name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to Him. 7 His government shall be great, and of His peace there is no end: it shall be upon the throne of David, and upon His Kingdom, to establish it, and to support it with judgment and with righteousness, from henceforth and forever.LXX

The Corner Stone

Esaias 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord, even the Lord, Behold, I lay for the foundations of Sion a costly stone, a choice, a corner-stone, a precious stone, for its foundations; and he that believes on him shall by no means be ashamed. 17 And I will cause judgment to be for hope, and My compassion shall be for just measures, and ye that trust vainly in falsehood shall fall: for the storm shall by no means pass by you, 18 except it also take away your covenant of death, and your trust in Hades shall by no means stand: if the rushing storm should come upon you, ye shall be beaten down by it.

Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these words of Mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of Mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest until a stone was cut out of a mountain without hands, and it smote the image upon its feet of iron and earthenware, and utterly reduced them to powder.

Water of Repentance

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but He that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire: 12 Whose fan [is] in His hand, and He will throughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

Eat The Words of Eternal Life

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, ye have no life in you.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

John 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered Him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.

Living Water

Jeremias 17:13 O Lord, the hope of Israel, let all that have left thee be ashamed, let them that have revolted be written on the earth, because they have forsaken the fountain of life, the Lord.

John 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto Him, They have no wine. 4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? Mine hour is not yet come.

John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

John 7:38 He that believeth on Me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

John 13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash My feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with Me.

John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced His side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

God of the Living

Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith He that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Son of the Living God

Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All authority is given unto Me in Heaven and in Earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name(authority).

Jesus is the foundation of His own church.
Jesus words define what His church believes.
Jesus says what His church must do to be whole.
This gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven is of the Father.
 
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James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Obviously James teaches the Kingdom Law that Jesus taught. Mosaic-Law Proselytes are a well-known fact... look at of all the nations where the 10 commandments have been held. Therefore, I agree with you... it's obvious that Paul's Gospel is NOT the only Gospel available to all of the nations.

Anyone heavy-burdened by the Mosaic Law has the good news of the Kingdom Law... because Jesus' yoke is easy and His burden light. Keeping the commandments of God as spoken by Jesus will bring you safe to the Kingdom.

Hi Brother,

Yes, I agree that the Gospel presented by Lord Jesus by instruction, teaching, parable, commands, and by His own life as an example for us to follow, is a light burden for those who repent, and will believe in Lord Jesus.

There are people who are teaching an empty "faith" devoid of any meaning, and who deny the words of Lord Jesus.

The "faith" Lord Jesus accepts is one in which we commit to deny our old life serving the fleshly passions as part of this world, and then, to commit our lives to Lord Jesus as our one Master and Sovereign whom we now give our complete allegiance to, following Him into a holy life of righteousness and love, shining His light in a world of darkness.

By this faith, God dwells in us by His Spirit to guide our faith to victory - Victory from from sin's penalty and power over our minds, and victory as the Spirit guides our faith commitment to follow Lord Jesus. In this way, we fulfill the whole Law of God.

Acts 5:32 (WEB) 32 We are His witnesses of these things; and so also is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.

Acts 2:38 (WEB) 38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

John 14:15-17 (WEB). . . 15 If you love me, keep my commandments. 16 I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, that he may be with you forever: 17 the Spirit of truth

John 14:23 (WEB) 23 Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him.

All God's promises are ours by faith in Lord Jesus.

Blessings.
 
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It's just a chain of thoughts.

From Birth: The Forever Kingdom

Esaias 9:6 For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon His shoulder: and His name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to Him. 7 His government shall be great, and of His peace there is no end: it shall be upon the throne of David, and upon His Kingdom, to establish it, and to support it with judgment and with righteousness, from henceforth and forever.LXX

The Corner Stone

Esaias 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord, even the Lord, Behold, I lay for the foundations of Sion a costly stone, a choice, a corner-stone, a precious stone, for its foundations; and he that believes on him shall by no means be ashamed. 17 And I will cause judgment to be for hope, and My compassion shall be for just measures, and ye that trust vainly in falsehood shall fall: for the storm shall by no means pass by you, 18 except it also take away your covenant of death, and your trust in Hades shall by no means stand: if the rushing storm should come upon you, ye shall be beaten down by it.

Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these words of Mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of Mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest until a stone was cut out of a mountain without hands, and it smote the image upon its feet of iron and earthenware, and utterly reduced them to powder.

Water of Repentance

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but He that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire: 12 Whose fan [is] in His hand, and He will throughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

Eat The Words of Eternal Life

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, ye have no life in you.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

John 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered Him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.

God of the Living

Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith He that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Son of the Living God

Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All authority is given unto Me in Heaven and in Earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name(authority).

Jesus is the foundation of His own church.
Jesus words define what His church believes.
Jesus says what His church must do to be whole.
This gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven is of the Father.

There are people on this board who deny the Words of Lord Jesus. For those who faithfully do keep the Words of Lord Jesus and follow Him, these only are saved.

John 10:27-29 (WEB) 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give eternal life to them. They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father who has given them to me is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

John 8:12 (WEB) 12 Again, therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. [Isaiah 60:1] He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.”

Luke 9:23-25 (WEB) 23 He said to all, “If anyone desires to come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever will lose his life for my sake, will save it. 25 For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits his own self?

John 15:8-10 (WEB) 8 “In this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; and so you will be my disciples. 9 Even as the Father has loved me, I also have loved you. Remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and remain in his love.

Luke 21:34-36 (WEB)
34 “So be careful, or your hearts will be loaded down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that day will come on you suddenly. 35 For it will come like a snare on all those who dwell on the surface of all the earth. 36 Therefore be watchful all the time, praying that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Revelation 3:1-5 (WEB) “I know your works, that you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 Wake up and keep the things that remain, which you were about to throw away, for I have found no works of yours perfected before my God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard. Keep it and repent. If therefore you won’t watch, I will come as a thief, and you won’t know what hour I will come upon you. 4 Nevertheless you have a few names in Sardis that didn’t defile their garments. They will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes will be arrayed in white garments, and I will in no way blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 3:11 (WEB) 11 I am coming quickly! Hold firmly that which you have, so that no one takes your crown.

Revelation 14:12-13 (WEB)
12 Here is the perseverance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” 13 I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them.
 
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So you don’t think the Holy Spirit had anything to do with that?

As i said the last 3 times....
God chose the 12, and after Jesus was back in Glory, He personally chose Paul.

Perhaps you should acquire a NT and read Acts Chapter 9.
 
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Why didn't the Father pick Paul?
Where does it say that the Pauline gospel ends when the Great Tribulation starts?

The bible is progressive revelation.
It shows us what God is doing, with mankind, from beginning to end.
Its changes.

Next up is the Great Trib.
After that you have the Millennial reign of Christ.
See those Changes? That is the Bible showing you the progressive revelation.

So, during these dispensations, or seasons, or progressive revelation.... the way God deals with man, changes.

For example : in the Garden, you have NO Law of Moses.
This changed. = progressive revelation.
The Law of Moses came, as the Old Covenant.
This changed....(progressive revelation)
Next is the Cross of Christ, as "the law came by Moses....CHANGED INTO....>"but Grace and Truth CAME BY, Jesus".
So, now in THAT CHANGE you have "the time of the Gentiles" and you find Paul, the "apostle to the Gentiles'.

Previously , when God was dealing with Israel, before the Cross, you have 12 Jewish apostles helping Jewish Jesus with His Jewish earthly Ministry, that was committed to the "house of Israel".

The Cross stopped that, and the "time of the Gentiles" started, and Jesus chose Paul as the "apostle TO the Gentiles".
Read Act 28, the last 10 verses, and you find Paul turning from the Jews, to the Gentiles.

So, now, we are waiting for the Great Trib to Start, which is God taking up again, His dealing with the Jew.
When it starts, is the exact moment when the next REVEAL begins, as The Great Trib.

So, Jesus called Paul as this part of the plan...>its all a part of the reveal, or the progressive revelation.
Just as Esther was chosen for "such a time as this"......Paul is called for the same reason.
The "such a time as this" is currently the "time of the Gentiles' and Paul is the Esther regarding this specific season or dispensation.
 
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I keep telling you I don't get my understanding of God from man, and you keep pretending I didn't ever say it. The way memory works, the more times you say it, and the more times I prove to you that I didn't say it, the more the audience you're desperately trying to impress will learn your ways. Stop thinking that I'm anything like you,.

Well , 2 things.
What you just said, only makes sense to you.
And 2nd, i dont think you are anything like me especially regarding your unusual and constant negative point of view, regarding the Apostle Paul.

And im not interested in heresy, so, count me out on ever even thinking along the same lines as you do regarding the world of God.
No worries.

But if you want to walk back, 3 weeks of attacking Paul, you are certainly welcome to contradict all you said, by now coming and telling us how you follow Paul.
But if you do that, i'll quote your Post that said you do not follow Paul.
You take it from there..
 
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"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.--1980 Jewish Almanac

Christians are "Spiritual Jews".

Israeli's are Jews.

Notice the Epistle to the "Hebrews". (Thats a Jew).

Start with "Abraham".
Go from there.
(try using a Bible)
 
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Not only did God choose the Apostles , it was a prophecy given before Christ showed up.

""""That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.”

Amen, so Paul was not the only apostle personally chosen by Christ. That was the point of this discussion.
 
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Its interesting that what you are saying, makes no sense, yet you think it does.

Listen carefully.
If you can't understand what im saying, then this does not mean that your misunderstanding that you post..... proves anything.

It doesn't.

Now, again...Bnr32fan..
in the "time of the gentiles", you have Paul, who teaches "my Gospel".
This "gospel" ends, when the Grt Trb Starts.
If you need me to tell you this, 34 more times, so that you can hopefully finally comprehend what i keep saying, then just let me know.

Ok then answer this simple question then, does the word “faith” in Hebrews 6:1 refer to the same “faith” mentioned in Colossians 1:23? You’ve already said it doesn’t and now your saying that I’m not understanding you but your not giving any sort of explanation as to what I’m not understanding correctly. What appears to be happening is that I’ve successfully refuted your interpretation of Hebrews 6:1 and your crawfishing (backpedaling) trying to weasel out of your mistake. You can’t say that the author of Hebrews is saying that we should set aside our repentance from dead works without also saying that we should set aside our faith in God when Paul specifically stated that we can only stand before God holy and blameless IF we remain in our faith.
 
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If i showed you my "alert" pages, you'd understand that what you said is as ridiculous as it sounds.
But im not going to.
why, ?
because i only talk about "likes" to people like you who are only here to try to get them.
I'm not here for the same reason.
This is why i have 40 Threads up and running, in just the short time i'm here and you only have posts on them.

See it?
Its pretty clear.
Take a good look.

Why should I care about likes? It’s not as if CF is monetized. I don’t get paid for likes. I only mentioned it in reply to your claim that you get “many likes” on your threads. Your the one who brought it up in the first place and I only pointed out that I don’t see any evidence to support that statement. Why would so many people be going thru the hassle of sending likes thru PM when they can simple click the rating button on the OP itself? Doesn’t make any sense. When people like a thread they hit the rating button at the bottom of the post. That’s how it works here. People don’t go to PM to give likes when they can just hit the button that’s right in front of them.
 
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Hi Brother,

Yes, I agree that the Gospel presented by Lord Jesus by instruction, teaching, parable, commands, and by His own life as an example for us to follow, is a light burden for those who repent, and will believe in Lord Jesus.

There are people who are teaching an empty "faith" devoid of any meaning, and who deny the words of Lord Jesus.

The "faith" Lord Jesus accepts is one in which we commit to deny our old life serving the fleshly passions as part of this world, and then, to commit our lives to Lord Jesus as our one Master and Sovereign whom we now give our complete allegiance to, following Him into a holy life of righteousness and love, shining His light in a world of darkness.

By this faith, God dwells in us by His Spirit to guide our faith to victory - Victory from from sin's penalty and power over our minds, and victory as the Spirit guides our faith commitment to follow Lord Jesus. In this way, we fulfill the whole Law of God.

Acts 5:32 (WEB) 32 We are His witnesses of these things; and so also is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.

Acts 2:38 (WEB) 38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

John 14:15-17 (WEB). . . 15 If you love me, keep my commandments. 16 I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, that he may be with you forever: 17 the Spirit of truth

John 14:23 (WEB) 23 Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him.

All God's promises are ours by faith in Lord Jesus.

Blessings.

You said, "There are people who are teaching an empty "faith" devoid of any meaning, and who deny the words of Lord Jesus." and you are absolutely right. It seems very close to the time when Jesus will be standing outside of His own church, knocking to get it. If we don't allow Jesus to speak for Himself, we have become a church in name only.

John 14:24 He that loveth Me not keepeth not My words: and the word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father's which sent Me.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My word, they will keep yours also.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

And by this, we know that those who keep the commandments will be hunted down and killed by the dragon and his people. Be faithful unto death, setst777.
 
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Christians are "Spiritual Jews".

Israeli's are Jews.

Notice the Epistle to the "Hebrews". (Thats a Jew).

Start with "Abraham".
Go from there.
(try using a Bible)
I don't read the letter to the Hebrews because I've never been under the sacrificial system. None of that is addressed to me anyway. And even if I read other people's mail, I would never call myself a Jew if I wasn't one.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
 
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God can't deny the new birth.
Try to understand that if a person is born again, that they can't stop being BORN.

Let me show you your incredible lack of logic.

Go to your mother and tell her.....>"i dont want to be yours anymore" "i refuse to be your son".

Does that change it?
Why not?
Because you are BORN, and you can't change this with a attitude issue or a lack of faith.

Now, If a Born Again (thats a birth) tells God, "i dont want you, i dont want to be "born again".

See it?

Think about that for a while.
Who knows..
Maybe you can come to understand that you can't stop being born. or "born again".

So what your saying is that a person can deny Christ and Christ will still acknowledge that person before The Father which is exactly the opposite of what Jesus and Paul actually said.
 
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God can't deny the new birth.
Try to understand that if a person is born again, that they can't stop being BORN.

Let me show you your incredible lack of logic.

Go to your mother and tell her.....>"i dont want to be yours anymore" "i refuse to be your son".

Does that change it?
Why not?
Because you are BORN, and you can't change this with a attitude issue or a lack of faith.

Now, If a Born Again (thats a birth) tells God, "i dont want you, i dont want to be "born again".

See it?

Think about that for a while.
Who knows..
Maybe you can come to understand that you can't stop being born. or "born again".

You can’t compare what God would do to what people might do. Would you burn someone for all eternity because they were disobedient or refused to acknowledge you? God will.
 
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I teach this..

"Pauline Theology".

So...The fact that you do not believe..

"Christ always Gives me the Victory", and 1 John 3:9...... is why you continue to sin and confess.
If you wanted to stop doing that, you'd listen to me, as what you are believing, as you might realize in the next decade, keeps you sinning and confessing.

You do not teach Paul’s theology because you ignore half of what he wrote. Say Ephesians 4 and 5 for example. I know 3 people who have already pointed this out to you, so it’s not just me that has brought this up but several others as well.
 
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