Florida continues to kill it!

Sophrosyne · Jun 9, 2021

GOD Shines Forth! said:
"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."-Rahm Emanuel

Powerful people have milked this crisis for all it’s worth.

And the cow is so anorexic looking that it could die.

Fantine · Jun 9, 2021

You don't make money by exposing yourself to liability.

You don't make money if people refuse to take cruises unless they know everyone is vaccinated.

You don't make money if an outbreak occurs and destroys your cruise line's reputation.

Sophrosyne · Jun 9, 2021

Fantine said:
You don't make money by exposing yourself to liability.

You cannot avoid liability on a cruise ship, you just limit it as much as is profitable.

You don't make money if people refuse to take cruises unless they know everyone is vaccinated.

If you only have people that are that scared of Covid they shouldn't be on a cruise ship as they are more likely to fall overboard and drown than to die from Covid.

You don't make money if an outbreak occurs and destroys your cruise line's reputation.

If a cruise line has such a low reputation that an outbreak can ruin it then it deserves to go under.

essentialsaltes · Jun 9, 2021

Sophrosyne said:
All the freaking out and scaremongering needs to stop,

Nobody's freaking out. The cruiselines want to mitigate risk.

Holy cats, even you acknowledge this.

You cannot avoid liability on a cruise ship, you just limit it as much as is profitable.

The only person making it unprofitable is DeSantis. With 70% of the American population vaccinated, there are more than enough customers to keep the cruiselines afloat, so to speak.

Sophrosyne · Jun 9, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Nobody's freaking out. The cruiselines want to mitigate risk.

Holy cats, even you acknowledge this.

Mitigate a 0.2% chance of death...... not that huge of a risk to go to all the trouble to alienate a lot of people who aren't vaccinated and don't intend to be any time soon.

essentialsaltes · Jun 9, 2021

Sophrosyne said:
go to all the trouble to alienate a lot of people who aren't vaccinated and don't intend to be any time soon.

It alienates me to take my shoes off at the airport and have some clown explore my equator by hand, but thems the rules.

If the unvaccinated are so upset about missing a cruise this summer, at least there's always room in the Whaaaambulance.

Trogdor the Burninator · Jun 9, 2021

Sophrosyne said:
Mitigate a 0.2% chance of death...... not that huge of a risk to go to all the trouble to alienate a lot of people who aren't vaccinated and don't intend to be any time soon.

The chance of being killed by terrorists on a plane are even smaller - when do we get rid of the TSA?

Trogdor the Burninator · Jun 9, 2021

Sophrosyne said:
And abortions.... as many lives are terminated before they are allowed to start as died from Covid in the same period of time. Instead of getting upset over 70 year old who may have 5-10 years or so left we have all the abortions that have 60-80 years gone for good.

I don't get this line of reasoning.

Surely if you care about abortions taking lives, then you should also care about easily avoidable Covid transmission taking lives.

Just because someone is older, doesn't mean their life is worth less either.

Sophrosyne · Jun 9, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
It alienates me to take my shoes off at the airport and have some clown explore my equator by hand, but thems the rules.

If the unvaccinated are so upset about missing a cruise this summer, at least there's always room in the Whaaaambulance.

I'm sure they could spend their money elsewhere and let the cruise lines go under because they want to be "too safe" to make a profit.

GOD Shines Forth! · Jun 9, 2021

Trogdor the Burninator said:
The chance of being killed by terrorists on a plane are even smaller - when do we get rid of the TSA?

ASAP!

Sophrosyne · Jun 10, 2021

Trogdor the Burninator said:
I don't get this line of reasoning.

Surely if you care about abortions taking lives, then you should also care about easily avoidable Covid transmission taking lives.

Just because someone is older, doesn't mean their life is worth less either.

You don't understand the reasoning because Covid takes mostly old lives that have lived 60+ years while abortion takes new lives. Abortion takes lives year after year after year. Covid will be gone and a memory and the 600k people die could easily be replaced in one year of no abortions with brand new people.
The vaccines likely may reduce the death rate from less than 0.2% to 0.15%. Covid deaths were already falling before people started getting vaccinated so that likely means that the death rate may have dropped to 0.1% and then the vaccine could drop it to 0.05%. I could see doing other things to save more lives than forcing everyone to vaccinate against Covid. If a new strain comes out that the vaccines aren't effective against are they going to force people again and again to vaccinate even if the new strain is 1/10 as "deadly"?
We likely would be better suited now to spend money on policing violence in crime ridden neighborhoods than force more people to bow to the Covid 19 gods.

Kentonio · Jun 10, 2021

Sophrosyne said:
I didn't lose my mind over it, I was concerned however that something else would happen but after a month of nothing I was more interested in what we were going to do about it etc. After C19 ramped up and everyone started freaking out I was working and got laid off and was running around shopping having to first wait behind 6 foot taped markers on floors then later having to stand outside 6 foot away waiting or in a crowd outside with most not distancing while indoors they only allowed 4-5 people. I checked my temp daily in case I got the virus and
didn't see anything for several months. I watched everyone act like they were going to be 10 million people dead if we didn't all put on bear suits and hibernate for the winter and..... and.... we zoomed up to about half a million and slowly creeped up to 600k or so and people are still acting like millions could die in the US and we aren't even at 1 million. 613,000 may seem huge but it is not that big compared to 330,000,000 or about 1/3 of a billion to a little over half a million. It is like throwing a temper tantrum and screaming at everyone to bar the doors and call the police to find a lost penny when you have $500.00 in your pocket essentially.
I may sound cruel but the loss of these people could be easily replaced several times over if the left had not pushed for abortion mills to be subsidized. I just saw that in 2018 619,591 abortions, that equates to enough to replace the dead lost to C19 plus about 5,000 more but then those "non people" don't count because even though they are "dead" the left doesn't consider them human at all.

Wow. Even setting aside how incredibly callous that is, it's also scary to discover that to you human lives are nothing more than just currency basically to be spent or replaced like that.

Please don't ever share what you just said with one of the family members of people lost to Covid.

GOD Shines Forth! · Jun 10, 2021

renniks said:
Lol, that's so absurd. I have never gotten a flu shot. If I share the flu with someone unknowingly, and they die, I'm a murderer? That's not how the system works. Murder is a deliberate act. That's like saying if I get in a car accident and someone dies, I murdered them, instead of it being what it is, accidental. People wig out over this virus like it's the black plague or something. It only actually kills a very tiny percentage, much less than reported, BTW.

True, but it’s worth noting that these absurd connections are being floated constantly. "No vaccine? Murderer!" is the red headed stepchild of "Silence is violence!" It’s all working towards turning every one who disagrees with a certain agenda into criminals who must be dealt with. For the common good of course.

GOD Shines Forth! · Jun 10, 2021

Kentonio said:
Wow. Even setting aside how incredibly callous that is, it's also scary to discover that to you human lives are nothing more than just currency basically to be spent or replaced like that.

That's interesting, the pro-vaxxers seem to have no spending problems with the deaths and hospitalizations recorded in VAERS.

Isilwen · Jun 10, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
If the unvaccinated are so upset about missing a cruise this summer, at least there's always room in the Whaaaambulance.

Please no! I have enough Covid patients that I have transported, don't need those who were dumb enough enough not to protect themselves!

Isilwen · Jun 10, 2021

Trogdor the Burninator said:
I don't get this line of reasoning.

Surely if you care about abortions taking lives, then you should also care about easily avoidable Covid transmission taking lives.

Just because someone is older, doesn't mean their life is worth less either.

Some of us call that pro-fetus, not pro-life.

KCfromNC · Jun 10, 2021

Sophrosyne said:
Ironically one could consider voting similarly.

Not anyone who understands the reality of each situation. Voter fraud is virtually non-existent, unlike covid.

But as a compromise, I'd be in favor of restricting voting to only people who have been vaccinated.

KCfromNC · Jun 10, 2021

Sophrosyne said:
If you translate percentages from the Spanish flu compared to population density in the US we would have to have 2.1 million deaths. Does that number ring a bell?

Yeah, I've heard it from posts attempting to minimize (for some strange reason) the risk of something which killed well over half a million Americans last year.

KCfromNC · Jun 10, 2021

Trogdor the Burninator said:
I don't get this line of reasoning.

Surely if you care about abortions taking lives, then you should also care about easily avoidable Covid transmission taking lives.

Just because someone is older, doesn't mean their life is worth less either.

But born people have a risk of ending up on welfare. And not the type given to rich corporations, the bad kind that poor people get.

Mayzoo · Jun 10, 2021

Sophrosyne said:
They can cruise all they want but not in the boundaries of the State. If someone wants to ban blacks from cruise ships that is a restriction also why can't they do that. Why can't cruise ships ban people who don't present a negative HIV test to them as it is a danger to people also far more deadly. We could also take it a step farther and say people need a flu vaccine to go on board as people have died from the flu too. People commit suicide for reasons we should ban people who haven't had a mental test and so on. It all starts with an inch....

Being black is outside one's control (immutable). Being unvaccinated is within one's control. Completely different issues.

Having HIV (blood and bodily fluids transmission only) is not nearly contagious as COVID 19 (airborne). COVID 19, colds, flu, and many, many other diseases are much more contagious. Doing what a company can to protect its customers and employees has mostly been a company's second-highest priority for as long as I can remember.

durangodawood · Jun 10, 2021

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