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Just so I’m sure what you are saying, are you saying that Jesus physically appeared in Isaiah 19?
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Just so I’m sure what you are saying, are you saying that Jesus physically appeared in Isaiah 19?
The New Jerusalem is the church.Still waiting for New Jerusalem to come down out of Heaven too.
Huh?The New Jerusalem is the church.
Not yet He hasn't.Just so I’m sure what you are saying, are you saying that Jesus physically appeared in Isaiah 19?
Okay..
I think we're done, Hammster.
I see no reason to discuss any of this further.
Good evening to you.
The New Jerusalem is the church.
I have already provided historical evidence that Isaiah 19 had nothing to do with A.D70.Sorry. 1 Corinthians 15.
And you didn’t say what you thought about Isaiah 19. You just posted other texts.
Agreed. The devil isn't that powerful and besides God would never allow such a deception that is not recorded in Scripture.He won't be able to mimic the coming on the clouds of heaven
You don't think it's going to be the Lord's physical coming down to speak audibly and to judge?That depends on what you think judging the dead and rewarding the Saints means.
Until He comes again. So even at his second coming, we shouldn't be looking for anything? Coming in the clouds is simply a metaphor for judgement, and his other second coming is a metaphor for what?What makes you think we should be looking for anything? The last I checked, the command to make disciples of all the nations is still in effect.
You don't think it's going to be the Lord's physical coming down to speak audibly and to judge?
You have not given anything specific at all.I need something specific.
You don't think it's going to be the Lord's physical coming down to speak audibly and to judge?
I was refering to a scripture reference I provided earlier in Rev 11v1-18. When does come again, He will come to judge:I assume we are talking about the great white throne judgement at the very end of the age and before the creation of the new heaven and new earth that will be a wonder beyond anything we have ever seen on earth or in the heavens prior to the Lord "making all things new?"
I was refering to a scripture reference I provided earlier in Rev 11v1-18. When does come again, He will come to judge:
Revelation 11:15-18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
What do you think? Is this not Christ's second coming?
The preterist view forces adherents into nearly impossible to conceive positions on Scripture, which by Occam's razor suggests something is wrong with an interpretation that has to make 10,000 assumptions to render Revelation meaningful and yet still doesn't explain all the other prophecy throughout the bible like Daniel, 1 Thessalonians 4 and the Olivet Discourse and many other references to the Day of the Lord in the Old and New Testament.
Sounds like a reference to further in Revelation when Jesus comes to set up His Millenium Kingdom for 1,000 years but also could be a reference to the final great white throne judgement prior to "making all things new" with the New Heaven and New earth too. One thing is for certain. We will know one day and I think not very far away. The time is close at hand.
Logically, i cannot see how it is possible for Satan to be roaming around for 1000 years with no one to tempt, and Jesus and the saints who have been translated into sinless beings to be on the same planet!Thank you! This makes a whole heap of sense!
This is how I have always seen the chronology unfolding. I'm a pre-trib (to depressing not to be), though I am very open to the possibility of mid/post-trib, as I would NOT like to be caught unawares. I really would love a clear chronology of the whole book of Revelation, especially in the leading up to and ruling of the anti-Christ, but then I guess we wouldn't all be astir about it, and maybe wouldn't pay quite so much attention; and maybe even get complacent about it all? Who knows.
I think we are very close to the return of Christ. I think we are just on the cusp of harvest time, when the sons of God are revealed to the groaning creation. Wild times ahead.
You asked a question and I’m trying to clarify what you meant by the terms you used.You don't think it's going to be the Lord's physical coming down to speak audibly and to judge?
There’s nothing to look for. There are things to do. The “signs” given to the first century church were for their safety, especially those in Jerusalem. They needed to know when to flee the city. Keep in mind that these events were to take place during that generation.Until He comes again. So even at his second coming, we shouldn't be looking for anything? Coming in the clouds is simply a metaphor for judgement, and his other second coming is a metaphor for what?