I just want people to be honest. Let them admit they have no hard evidence in the Bible for immaterialism - an extraordinary claim. Let them admit that it came from a homosexual pagan philosopher named Plato.
No it's not. It about believing things seen - and therefore material things. You've misunderstood Heb 11:1, like most people do.
Yet you haven't named one. Interesting. Why am I not surprised?
Let me get this straight.
That's not an insult, but an analogy. When debating with someone, how in heaven's name am I supposed to break through 2,000 years of indoctrination in his head? Answer: by using an analogy as a rude awakening. Most Christians HAVE NO IDEA they've been brainwashed/indoctrinated into immaterialism.
Disagreement defines debate. Otherwise they wouldn't call it a debate.
See above.
And by the way, didn't you say, in your initial posts on this thread, that my position makes ZERO sense? Yet now you claim that such language is insulting - when I use it? So it's okay for you to do it, but not me?
See my last post.
Isn't this kind of statement precisely what you classified as belittling/condescending?
Yet you haven't actually named/pinpointed one weakness in my argument. Not that I recall anyway. It was you who got us into a discussion of belittling. All I did was give reasons for my position.
No.
You can start by reading my recent discussion starting at 664. That should give you the general idea, although there's plenty more said on this thread.
Me? What I'm trying to show is that traditional theologians have deluged/deluded our minds with human reasoning and philosophy. And I think I do a reasonably plausible job of proving it, if you were to read all my posts. Take a look at this post for example, on another thread.
Let's be clear. I don't think JESUS did any miracles. The divine Word, specifically the THIRD PERSON, did those miracles. The Third Person is ALWAYS operating behind the scenes, manipulating reality on our behalf just like a magician.
You labeled my post "Funny", as a form of belittling/insult, even though that label was intended for intentionally humorous posts. That's a violation of forum rules.
Materialism doesn't NEED to be in the Bible because matter is all we know for sure. The burden of proof falls on those who make extraordinary claims.
There is hard evidence in the Bible that God used material dynamics to do miracles. Here's one example (and I can provide several more): how did the Red Sea divide? Instantly, by magic? Or gradually, by material dynamics? The latter. A strong wind blew over the course of - an entire evening! Turns out it was the divine Wind/Breath (the Third Person):
