The covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast.

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For one, the mark of the beast is supposed to be a MANDATORY mark ...

Mandatory for buying & selling (and at some point, living?). But that's not the same thing as involuntary. As with vaccine passports, you could still refuse but would then be unable do certain things. I guess it all hinges on the meaning of "causes" in Revelation 13:16. I'm sure if the passports were implemented, that would be the "cause" of some people getting the vaccine when they otherwise wouldn't.

(I agree the vaccines are not the mark btw)
 
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A church is almost always a large building where people gather together. It's a perfect place for COVID-19 to spread. There is no restriction on religion involved, only a loss of sanity.

So are liquor stores, but in my state they remained open.
 
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This whole argument about how religious freedom is under attack by the Covid restrictions seems to be to be entirely speculative and not supported by any evidence.

One would, frankly, need to have a reasoning deficit to not understand that while religious freedom is an issue in the matter we are discussing, it is not the only issue.

Need I state the punishingly obvious - public health is also a consideration.

The only way you can make a case for a threat to your religious freedom is to show that restrictions are being applied more vigorously in "religious" settings than in non-religious ones.

And I see no such evidence in this thread.

In the US, unlike Canada, there is no constitutional mechanism for the derogation of religious freedom, and any infringement on first ammendment rights is subject to the highest possible scrutiny. Which is why the supreme court ruled the outright prohibitions on church services in California and New York were unconstitutional.

It should be stressed that the colonies which were to comprise the United States were founded chiefly on the basis of religious freedom, for the greater number of them were settled by Dissenters and Catholics who experienced persecution in favor of the Established Church.
 
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Good point. It is not he mark of the beast but it does use government control over church gathering tactics that are indicative of more to come.

And the idea that science shows that churches are super spreaders while BLM jammed-together riots for all of 2020 are not and while COVID-19 incubator - warehoused minors in cramped spaces at the border are not - is the kind of nonsense we expect from left-fringe media these days.

What are you talking about? Many medical professionals warned that the protests were super spreader events.
 
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This whole argument about how religious freedom is under attack by the Covid restrictions seems to be to be entirely speculative and not supported by any evidence.

One would, frankly, need to have a reasoning deficit to not understand that while religious freedom is an issue in the matter we are discussing, it is not the only issue.

Need I state the punishingly obvious - public health is also a consideration.

The only way you can make a case for a threat to your religious freedom is to show that restrictions are being applied more vigorously in "religious" settings than in non-religious ones.

And I see no such evidence in this thread.

Unfortunately, many American Christians have a persecution complex. It makes them feel special. They like the idea that they "struggle" for the faith. They spend more time complaining about a government trying to save lives than they spend preaching the Gospel of Christ.
 
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It may not be the mark of the beast. It doesn't mean it's a good idea to get it and it's not going to eliminate the virus

It may not be a good idea not to get it either.

Wonder how many people have refused the vaccine and got Covid?
 
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It may not be a good idea not to get it either.

Wonder how many people have refused the vaccine and got Covid?

I'd take my chances with a virus that has a 98% survival rate over a highly experimental jab that could give me a blood clot
 
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I'm getting a little sick of hearing about this but yeah, the covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast. For one, the mark of the beast is supposed to be a MANDATORY mark that you receive on your right HAND or FOREHEAD. My wife and I both got our COVID vaccinations this morning and we were both injected in the ARM. Not to mention, participation in getting our vaccines was COMPLETELY voluntary. If you refuse to take the mark of the beast, the government will KILL you. Plus the covid vaccine is in the ARM not the hand or forehead.

Another thing I noticed. Before the nurse injected both of us she asked which arms we wanted to get injected into. So we could even chose what side of our body we could be injected into. Umm... last I checked the mark of the beast is not voluntary. They do not say "do you want it on your left hand or your right?" They just stick the mark in.

And the biggest clincher for me? God promised to protect his people from the coming tribulation. So even if the covid vaccine IS the mark of the beast... God willingly allowed me, one of his children to get injected.

Last I checked God never and could never go back on his promises. But everybody just acts like God doesn't even exist.

Don't be stupid. Do your part in eliminating this epidemic, get vaccinated if you can. And even when you're vaccinated still wear a mask. The vaccinations don't turn you into superman.. When we are smart during this epidemic we can lower the global death toll. But if we're not even going to read scripture and just automatically assume the two solutions to this global epidemic is evil and cursed and from Satan.... we're going to see another black death.... literally.
base it on research or be silent.

aaas PLAINLY STATES ALONG WITH A COMPANY THAT JUST PATENTED THE VACCINE THAT THE VACCIE WHEN IT CONES OUT IS GOING TO HAVE:

1. MICRONEEDLE THAT FORM A SCANABLE mark
2. and an rfid chip.

shut up?
 
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I'd take my chances with a virus that has a 98% survival rate over a highly experimental jab that could give me a blood clot

Could - 1 in a million.

No vaccine is approved unless it's thoroughly tested.
 
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....it's not going to eliminate the virus
Do you have any support for this claim? And even if you do, what exactly is your point? If the vaccine dramatically reduces t the risk of hospitalization and / or death, it is clearly the way to go.

Even if it doesn't "eliminate" the virus.
 
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Which is why the supreme court ruled the outright prohibitions on church services in California and New York were unconstitutional.
You continue your strategy of illicitly trying to make this a one-dimensional problem - that religious freedom is the only consideration.

An eight-year old knows this is not the case.
 
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Could - 1 in a million.

No vaccine is approved unless it's thoroughly tested.

If it is thoroughly tested why are they halting the rollout of one of these vaccines because it is giving people blood clots. Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that there won't be any other unforseen complications. I'll trust my immune system with a virus that I'm extremely likely to survive
 
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I'm getting a little sick of hearing about this but yeah, the covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast. For one, the mark of the beast is supposed to be a MANDATORY mark that you receive on your right HAND or FOREHEAD. My wife and I both got our COVID vaccinations this morning and we were both injected in the ARM. Not to mention, participation in getting our vaccines was COMPLETELY voluntary. If you refuse to take the mark of the beast, the government will KILL you. Plus the covid vaccine is in the ARM not the hand or forehead.

Another thing I noticed. Before the nurse injected both of us she asked which arms we wanted to get injected into. So we could even chose what side of our body we could be injected into. Umm... last I checked the mark of the beast is not voluntary. They do not say "do you want it on your left hand or your right?" They just stick the mark in.

And the biggest clincher for me? God promised to protect his people from the coming tribulation. So even if the covid vaccine IS the mark of the beast... God willingly allowed me, one of his children to get injected.

Last I checked God never and could never go back on his promises. But everybody just acts like God doesn't even exist.

Don't be stupid. Do your part in eliminating this epidemic, get vaccinated if you can. And even when you're vaccinated still wear a mask. The vaccinations don't turn you into superman.. When we are smart during this epidemic we can lower the global death toll. But if we're not even going to read scripture and just automatically assume the two solutions to this global epidemic is evil and cursed and from Satan.... we're going to see another black death.... literally.
cyanide is not mark of beast either doesn't mean u should inject it
 
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Do you have any support for this claim? And even if you do, what exactly is your point? If the vaccine dramatically reduces t the risk of hospitalization and / or death, it is clearly the way to go.

Even if it doesn't "eliminate" the virus.
Mainstream sources are pretty clear that the vaccines do not prevent you from transmitting the virus, or carrying it etc. They prevent the virus from affecting you severely, but I am confident that my immune system can do that.
 
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I'd take my chances with a virus that has a 98% survival rate over a highly experimental jab that could give me a blood clot
This is a profoundly misleading argument. Sadly, this kind of argument works because people are mentally lazy - they read "98% survival" and say to themselves "golly that sounds pretty harmless". And then they do not do what we so desperately need people to do: think, think, think.

To anyone not living under a rock, the survival rate is not the only issue. In fact, it may not even be the most important issue. The problem is overloading a health care system.

Do I need to do the math? With such a contagious virus, if we take no countermeasures, it will sweep through the populace like wildfire. And if even only 3% need to go to the hospital, that is millions of extra people going to the hospital than before Covid.

This overtaxes the health care system, not to mention the mental toll it takes on health care workers.

Besides it is interesting, and no doubt not a coincidence that you characterize the virus as having a 98% survival rate. I could turn that around and point out that if only 100,000,000 Americans ever get Covid, that means 2 million deaths.

And your implication that the blood clot risk outweighs the benefits is simply wrong. It is only in a tiny sub-population (really young women) that this is the case.
 
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This is a profoundly misleading argument. Sadly, this kind of argument works because people are mentally lazy - they read "98% survival" and say to themselves "golly that sounds pretty harmless". And then they do not do what we so desperately need people to do: think, think, think.

To anyone not living under a rock, the survival rate is not the only issue. In fact, it may not even be the most important issue. The problem is overloading a health care system.

Do I need to do the math? With such a contagious virus, if we take no countermeasures, it will sweep through the populace like wildfire. And if even only 3% need to go to the hospital, that is millions of extra people going to the hospital than before Covid.

This overtaxes the health care system, not to mention the mental toll it takes on health care workers.

Besides it is interesting, and no doubt not a coincidence that you characterize the virus as having a 98% survival rate. I could turn that around and point out that if only 100,000,000 Americans ever get Covid, that means 2 million deaths.

And your implication that the blood clot risk outweighs the benefits is simply wrong. It is only in a tiny sub-population (really young women) that this is the case.

I don't argue that you shouldn't get it if you are in a high risk category and would feel safer doing so. I am young, I don't have underlying health conditions, I have a reasonably good diet, I'm not obese, I am extremely unlikely to be hospitalised by this virus. If I was a 65 year old diabetic I might think differently.

Given that it does not convey immunity, then I think the choice is down to me. Just like it's my choice if I wanted to drink a litre of vodka or drive a car... The point about the blood clots is more to highlight that they clearly haven't sufficiently tested these vaccines if they are only just discovering the risks, who knows what other risks there might be...
 
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And the biggest clincher for me? God promised to protect his people from the coming tribulation. So even if the covid vaccine IS the mark of the beast... God willingly allowed me, one of his children to get injected.

Last I checked God never and could never go back on his promises. But everybody just acts like God doesn't even exist.

Are you referring to these Bible passages? If not, I may have missed that part in the Book of Revelation and/or other parts of the Holy Bible. May you provide Scripture backing this up? Please and thank you.

God Is More Important Than Money
19 “Don’t store treasures for yourselves here on earth. Moths and rust will destroy treasures here on earth. And thieves can break into your house and steal the things you have. 20 So store your treasure in heaven. The treasures in heaven cannot be destroyed by moths or rust. And thieves cannot break in and steal that treasure. 21 Your heart will be where your treasure is.

22 “The eye is a light for the body. If your eyes are good, then your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are evil, then your whole body will be full of darkness. And if the only light you have is really darkness, then you have the worst darkness.

24 “No one can be a slave to two masters. He will hate one master and love the other. Or he will follow one master and refuse to follow the other. So you cannot serve God and money at the same time.

Don’t Worry
25 “So I tell you, don’t worry about the food you need to live. And don’t worry about the clothes you need for your body. Life is more important than food. And the body is more important than clothes. 26 Look at the birds in the air. They don’t plant or harvest or store food in barns. But your heavenly Father feeds the birds. And you know that you are worth much more than the birds. 27 You cannot add any time to your life by worrying about it.

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? Look at the flowers in the field. See how they grow. They don’t work or make clothes for themselves. 29 But I tell you that even Solomon with his riches was not dressed as beautifully as one of these flowers. 30 God clothes the grass in the field like that. The grass is living today, but tomorrow it is thrown into the fire to be burned. So you can be even more sure that God will clothe you. Don’t have so little faith! 31 Don’t worry and say, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ 32 All the people who don’t know God keep trying to get these things. And your Father in heaven knows that you need them. 33 The thing you should want most is God’s kingdom and doing what God wants. Then all these other things you need will be given to you. 34 So don’t worry about tomorrow. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Tomorrow will have its own worries.
~Matthew 6:19-34 (ICB)

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 6 - King James Version
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 6 - New King James Version
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 6 - New International Version
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 6 - International Children’s Bible

Jesus Warns Against Selfishness
13 One of the men in the crowd said to Jesus, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide with me the property our father left us.”

14 But Jesus said to him, “Who said that I should be your judge or decide how to divide the property between you two?” 15 Then Jesus said to them, “Be careful and guard against all kinds of greed. A man’s life is not measured by the many things he owns.”

16 Then Jesus used this story: “There was a rich man who had some land, which grew a good crop of food. 17 The rich man thought to himself, ‘What will I do? I have no place to keep all my crops.’ 18 Then he said, ‘I know what I will do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones! I will put all my grain and other goods together in my new barns. 19 Then I can say to myself, I have enough good things stored to last for many years. Rest, eat, drink, and enjoy life!’

20 “But God said to that man, ‘Foolish man! Tonight you will die. So who will get those things you have prepared for yourself?’

21 “This is how it will be for anyone who stores things up only for himself and is not rich toward God.”

Don’t Worry
22 Jesus said to his followers, “So I tell you, don’t worry about the food you need to live. Don’t worry about the clothes you need for your body. 23 Life is more important than food. And the body is more important than clothes. 24 Look at the birds. They don’t plant or harvest. They don’t save food in houses or barns. But God takes care of them. And you are worth much more than birds. 25 None of you can add any time to your life by worrying about it. 26 If you cannot do even the little things, then why worry about the big things? 27 Look at the wild flowers. See how they grow. They don’t work or make clothes for themselves. But I tell you that even Solomon, the great and rich king, was not dressed as beautifully as one of these flowers. 28 God clothes the grass in the field like that. That grass is living today, but tomorrow it will be thrown into the fire. So you know how much more God will clothe you. Don’t have so little faith! 29 Don’t always think about what you will eat or what you will drink. Don’t worry about it. 30 All the people in the world are trying to get those things. Your Father knows that you need them. 31 The thing you should seek is God’s kingdom. Then all the other things you need will be given to you.

Don’t Trust in Money
32 “Don’t fear, little flock. Your Father wants to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell the things you have and give to the poor. Get for yourselves purses that don’t wear out. Get the treasure in heaven that never runs out. Thieves can’t steal it in heaven, and moths can’t destroy it. 34 Your heart will be where your treasure is.
~Luke 12:13-34 (ICB)

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Bible Gateway passage: Luke 12 - New King James Version
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 12 - New International Version
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 12 - International Children’s Bible
 
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Mainstream sources are pretty clear that the vaccines do not prevent you from transmitting the virus, or carrying it etc.
Please support this claim. And, please, don't ask me to look up the data for you - you made the claim, you have the responsibility to back it up.

But, again, this is not the point. What matters is whether the vaccines reduce the risk of serious disease. And they do. If you want evidence, just ask me.

They prevent the virus from affecting you severely, but I am confident that my immune system can do that.
You are "confident"? How is that an argument? How do you know that you will not be one of those severely affected? And it is not all about you anyway - it could turn out that the vaccine reduces risk of transmission.

Other people matter too.
 
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