When does the rapture happen? Pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib?

When does the rapture happen? Pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib?

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QUOTE="Berean Tim

"When Christ returned in 70AD" ? The entire church missed it.

Apparently they did, as they did not think as Jews in the First Century understanding Jewish Apocalyptic Language which is woven throughout the text of Matthew 24. I would say that part of the problem was that Greeks and Latins couldn't think like Jews, therefore, when the read the text, they put a futuristic viewpont on it. In addition, the Latin Church has absolutely MANGLED the translation of the Greek in many places in the Scriptures. A good example is found in Matthew 24: 3 where the disciples ask when the end of the age (aion) is going to take place. Latin translators made that word into "world" and thus put a futuristic thrust upon it.

Matthew 24: 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Did this happen in 70AD ? Nobody recorded this !!

This is Jewish language. Go back to the Old Testament to understand it. A Jew in the first century would have understood what a "cloud coming" meant -- Judgment for wickedness.

Isa 19:1The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.

So God came riding upon a cloud, eh? What was He using - an English saddle or an American Cowboy saddle? Look, you have to compare Scripture with Scripture to understand properly. OT Scriptures speak of God coming upon clouds in judgment. The Jews of Christ's day would have immediately recognized this language and been appalled that judgment was heading their way again.


I'm very aware of the Preterist view point and I reject it. You should try to confuse others, I'm not buying

I understand. It took me a while to drop my Anabaptist Rapturist leanings and actually accept what Scripture is saying. It's hard. Open your mind and give yourself time to think it through.

Jesus said in Luke 21:26-28, 36: “for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming (erchomai) in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall (or mello or hereafter) come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”

Luke 21 shows us what occurs at the climactic future coming of Christ. Not only will creation be glorified, the righteous will also experience the same. This is the moment when man and creation is simultaneously perfected. This is shown to be the realization of the final aspect of redemption. No one with any credence could surely try and attribute this to AD70. Various clear and repeated Scripture prove when the day of redemption is.

Ephesians 1:13-14 assures us that ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”

Ephesians 4:30 similarly states, ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

That day is the climatic coming of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is here described as “that Holy Spirit of promise.” The word “earnest” here relates to a security down payment. It is taken from the Greek word arrhabon, which is from a Hebrew origin [meaning a pledge in advance as security for the rest. You have heard of earnest money. ‘It is a portion of something, given or done in advance as a promise of the remainder’. This seal is active until the time when Jesus comes and we shall be physically redeemed.

Romans 8:19-23 continues, “For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (phthora or decay) into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.”

There is a direct connection between the liberation of “creation” and the liberation of the “sons of God.” Both the creature and creation are waiting for “the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body” – or resurrection day. This is the day when both will simultaneously be delivered from the aforementioned “bondage of corruption.” The day of redemption is shown throughout Scripture to be the second coming of Christ. It is there is that man experiences the final part of redemption – the redemption of his body.
 
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Can you provide one Scripture that teaches (1) a rapture of the Church, (2) immediately followed by a literal seven-year tribulation, (3) immediately followed by a further coming of Christ?

(1) a rapture of the Church,

1 Thessalonians 4:17-18. The word "rapture" is derived from the Latin Vulgate translation of the Greek "harpazo" of v17. That it is the Church is shown a few verses above in v14 where the partakers are those that believe Jesus died and rose again (the "gospel" by which we are saved according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Harpazo simply means to snatch out or away and occurs multiple times in scripture: Philip caught away by the Spirit of the Lord (Act 8:39), the man caught up into the third heaven/paradise (2 Corinthians 12:2,4), the man-child caught up to God and his throne (Revelation 12:5)

(2) immediately followed by a literal seven-year tribulation,

The 70 weeks of Daniel (Daniel 9:24-27), have proven to be consecutive weeks of seven-years except for the period between the 69th and 70th week. This is the period we're in today - described by Paul as the "fulness of the gentiles" coming in. Paul explains that during this time, blindness has happened [in part] to Israel until that number is fulfilled. Since we know from Daniel 9:24 that the 70 weeks pertain to Daniel's people and his holy city (Jews, Jerusalem), there's reason to believe Paul is referencing this week as that time after the fulness has come in (the Church) and Israel's blindness is being lifted. Whether it's immediate or not I have no scripture, but Romans 11:25 does establish the order imo.

(3) immediately followed by a further coming of Christ?

This would be the return of Christ covered in Revelation, where he comes with the saints. This "return" isn't imminent like the signless rapture, but has specific events that must unfold first like the rise of AC, abomination of desolation, mark of the beast, etc... It also has a prerequisite that only national Israel can meet - confessing the Messiah they offended:

For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23:39

I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early. Hosea 5:15
 
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I understand. It took me a while to drop my Anabaptist Rapturist leanings and actually accept what Scripture is saying. It's hard. Open your mind and give yourself time to think it through.
Opening up one's mind to the spirit world is just begging for demons and false spirits to come in.

The church stops at the Second Coming. The church was just starting in 70AD. It has not stopped for 1991 years.

Name one source earlier than 1950 who claims the church was finished and over in 70AD.
 
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(1) a rapture of the Church,

1 Thessalonians 4:17-18. The word "rapture" is derived from the Latin Vulgate translation of the Greek "harpazo" of v17. That it is the Church is shown a few verses above in v14 where the partakers are those that believe Jesus died and rose again (the "gospel" by which we are saved according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Harpazo simply means to snatch out or away and occurs multiple times in scripture: Philip caught away by the Spirit of the Lord (Act 8:39), the man caught up into the third heaven/paradise (2 Corinthians 12:2,4), the man-child caught up to God and his throne (Revelation 12:5)

(2) immediately followed by a literal seven-year tribulation,

The 70 weeks of Daniel (Daniel 9:24-27), have proven to be consecutive weeks of seven-years except for the period between the 69th and 70th week. This is the period we're in today - described by Paul as the "fulness of the gentiles" coming in. Paul explains that during this time, blindness has happened [in part] to Israel until that number is fulfilled. Since we know from Daniel 9:24 that the 70 weeks pertain to Daniel's people and his holy city (Jews, Jerusalem), there's reason to believe Paul is referencing this week as that time after the fulness has come in (the Church) and Israel's blindness is being lifted. Whether it's immediate or not I have no scripture, but Romans 11:25 does establish the order imo.

(3) immediately followed by a further coming of Christ?

This would be the return of Christ covered in Revelation, where he comes with the saints. This "return" isn't imminent like the signless rapture, but has specific events that must unfold first like the rise of AC, abomination of desolation, mark of the beast, etc... It also has a prerequisite that only national Israel can meet - confessing the Messiah they offended:

For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23:39

I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early. Hosea 5:15

I asked for a Scripture that teaches all this. You failed to give that. You seem to be manipulating the word to support your doctrine. None of these texts teach this. If I am wrong show me.

The word “rapture” is an extra-biblical term and is associated with Pretrib error, so it is not helpful.

The phrases “caught up” (1 Thessalonians 4:17), is taken from the lone Greek word harpazō meaning to seize, catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).

The word “taken” or “receive” (Matthew 24:35-42, Luke 17:34–37 and John 14:3) is derived from the Greek word paralambano meaning “to receive near, i.e. associate with oneself in any familiar or intimate act or relation,”

The similar phrases “gather together” (Matthew 24:31, Mark 13:27) and “gathering together" (2 Thessalonians 2:1) are taken from the similar Greek words episunagō and episunagoge meaning to gather together besides, to bring together to others already assembled, to gather together against, and to gather together in one place.

There are three other similar Greek words that are used to indicate “gather together in one” (anakephalaioō), see Ephesians 1:10, “gather” (sunagō) see Matthew 3:12; 13:30, 47, 25:32, and Luke 3:17, and “gathered” (sullegō), see Matthew 13:40, and 48. All express the same thought relating to the final ingathering of God’s elect at the end. Another Greek word is used for “gathered” in Revelation 14:19 (trugaō). All these carry the same or similar connotation.

The Greek word sunagō means to gather up or to collect in order to carry off. The word sullegō means to gather together, to draw together, to assemble together. The word anakephalaioō basically means to gather.

The phrase “delivered up” (1 Corinthians 15:24) is also used in the context of the gathering of God’s people at the end. The phrase “delivered up” is taken from the Greek word paradidōmi meaning to give into the hands (of another), to give over into (one’s) power or use, or to deliver to one something to keep, use, take care of, manage.

A similar word is used to express the same idea in Galatians 1:4., Only the Greek word use there is exaireō, meaning pluck out or rescue.

These all prove that the coming of Christ and are catching up is climactic.

There is no ushering the Church into heaven in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9.

There is no 7-year tribulation in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9.
There is no 3rd coming in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9.
There are no survivors in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5. None shall escape.
There is no earthquake in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9.
There is no Pretrib in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9.

Where is your rapture in Revelation?
 
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I asked for a Scripture that teaches all this. You failed to give that. You seem to be manipulating the word to support your doctrine. None of these texts teach this.

lol I took time and effort to answer you as a politeness only to be accused of manipulating doctrine. Now you expect me to come back and answer again ? Really ?
 
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@Rachel20 You're always quoting 1 Thessalonians 4:17-18 as "proof" for the pre-trib rapture, but have you ever read the verse just before that, verse 16? It says there

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

Jesus is not going to come 3 times. The rapture is after Jesus returns, and His 2nd coming is the end of the world. That's why the dead will rise (verse 16) before we get raptured (verse 17).
 
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Well that's certainly a new one on me !!

Well, perhaps look into the Bible again with this thought in mind, and check Scripture on it. I'd be amazed if you found a verse that speaks of a rapture before Jesus' 2nd coming :)
 
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Well, perhaps look into the Bible again with this thought in mind, and check Scripture on it. I'd be amazed if you found a verse that speaks of a rapture before Jesus' 2nd coming :)


The rapture is technically mid-second coming. He leaves heaven and arrives at the clouds of the Earth, then the rapture gathers all the living saints to Christ, then he descends to complete the actual coming/arrival where he is seen by the unsaved.
 
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lol I took time and effort to answer you as a politeness only to be accused of manipulating doctrine. Now you expect me to come back and answer again ? Really ?

It was not my desire to offend you. Sorry it came across that way. But you did not remotely answer my question. You did not present a passage that taught what Pretrib claims. I say this as a former Pretribber. The reason you didn't is because it is not there. I suspect you know that. That is why you didn't furnish me with any evidence. This is why so many are abandoning Pretrib. It is totally unbiblical.
 
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Well, perhaps look into the Bible again with this thought in mind, and check Scripture on it. I'd be amazed if you found a verse that speaks of a rapture before Jesus' 2nd coming :)

I'd be amazed if you found a verse in the OT that speaks of two resurrections! Anyway, the arguments for pre-trib are pretty well known, as are the arguments for the other views. But I'll post Walvoord's 50 arguments anyway, as a summary. I think in the end we tend to align our eschatological beliefs along the lines of our hermeneutics (#3,4).

Historical Argument

1. While posttribulationism appeared as early as 2 Thessalonians 2, many in the early church believed in the imminency of the Lord’s return, which is an essential doctrine of pretribulationism.

2. The detailed development of pretribulational truth during the past few centuries does not prove that the doctrine is new or novel. Its development is similar to that of other major doctrines in the history of the church.

Hermeneutics

3. Pretribulationism is the only view that allows literal interpretation of all Old and New Testament passages on the Great Tribulation.

4. Pretribulationism distinguishes clearly between Israel and the church and their respective programs.

Nature of the Tribulation

5. Pretribulationism maintains the scriptural distinction between the Great Tribulation and tribulation in general that precedes it.

6. The Great Tribulation is properly interpreted by pretribulationists as a time of preparation for Israel’s restoration (Deut. 4:29-30; Jer. 30:4-11). It is not the purpose of the Tribulation to prepare the church for glory.

7. None of the Old Testament passages on the Tribulation mention the church (Deut. 4:29-30; Jer. 30:4-11; Dan. 8:24-27; 12:1-2).

8. None of the New Testament passages on the Tribulation mention the church (Matt. 13:30, 39-42, 48-50; 24:15-31; 1 Thess. 1:9-10, 5:4-9; 2 Thess. 2:1-11; Rev. 4-18).

9. In contrast to midtribulationism, the pretribulational view provides an adequate explanation for the beginning of the Great Tribulation in Revelation 6. Midtribulationism is refuted by the plain teaching of Scripture that the Great Tribulation begins long before the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11.

10. The proper distinction is maintained between the prophetic trumpets of Scripture by pretribulationism. There is no proper ground for the pivotal argument of midtribulationism that the seventh trumpet of Revelation is the last trumpet in that there is no established connection between the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11, the last trumpet of 1 Corinthians 15:52, and the trumpet of Matthew 24:31. They are three distinct events.

11. The unity of Daniel’s seventieth week is maintained by pretribulationists. By contrast, posttribulationism and midtribulationists destroy the unity of Daniel’s seventieth week and confuse Israel’s program with that of the church.

Nature of the Church

12. The translation of the church is never mentioned in any passage dealing with the second coming of Christ after the Tribulation.

13. The church is not appointed to wrath (Rom. 5:9; 1 Thess. 1:9-10; 5:9). The church therefore cannot enter “the great day of their wrath” (Rev. 6:17).

14. The church will not be overtaken by the day of the Lord (1 Thess. 5:1-9), which includes the Tribulation.

15. The possibility of a believer escaping the Tribulation is mentioned in Luke 21:36.

16. The church of Philadelphia was promised deliverance from “the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth” (Rev. 3:10).

17. It is characteristic of divine dealing to deliver believers before a divine judgment is inflicted on the world as illustrated in the deliverance of Noah, Lot, Rahab, etc. (2 Peter 2:5-9).

18. At the time of the translation of the church, all believers go to the Father’s house in heaven (John 14:3) and do not immediately return to the earth after meeting Christ in the air as posttribulationists teach.

19. Pretribulationism does not divide the body of Christ at the Rapture on a works principle. The teaching of a partial rapture is based on the false doctrine that the translation of the church is a reward for good works. It is rather a climactic aspect of salvation by grace.

20. The Scriptures clearly teach that all, not part, of the church will be raptured at the coming of Christ for the church (1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thess. 4:17).

21. As opposed to a view of a partial rapture, pretribulationism is founded on the definite teaching of Scripture that the death of Christ frees from all condemnation.

22. The godly remnant of the Tribulation are pictured as Israelites, not members of the church as maintained by the posttribulationists.

23. The pretribulational view, as opposed to posttribulationism, does not confuse general terms like elect and saints, which apply to the saved of all ages, with specific terms like church and those in Christ, which refer to believers of this age only.

Doctrine of Imminency

24. The pretribulational interpretation teaches that the coming of Christ is actually imminent.

25. The exhortation to be comforted by the coming of the Lord (1 Thess. 4:18) is very significant in the pretribulational view and is especially contradicted by most posttribulationists.

26. The exhortation to look for “the glorious appearing” of Christ to His own (Titus 2:13) loses its significance if the Tribulation must intervene first. Believers in that case should look for signs.

27. The exhortation to purify ourselves in view of the Lord’s return has most significance if His coming is imminent (1 John 3:2-3).

28. The church is uniformly exhorted to look for the coming of the Lord, while believers in the Tribulation are directed to look for signs.

The Work of the Holy Spirit

29. The Holy Spirit as the restrainer of evil cannot be taken out of the world unless the church, which the Spirit indwells, is translated at the same time. The Tribulation cannot begin until this restraint is lifted.

30. The Holy Spirit as the restrainer must be taken out of the world before “the lawless one,” who dominates the tribulation period, can be revealed (2 Thess. 2:6-8).

31. If the expression “except there come a falling away first” (KJV) is translated literally, “except the departure come first,” it would plainly show the necessity of the Rapture taking place before the beginning of the Tribulation.

Necessity of an Interval Between the Rapture and the Second Coming

32. According to 2 Corinthians 5:10, all believers of this age must appear before the judgment seat of Christ in heaven, an event never mentioned in the detailed accounts connected with the second coming of Christ to the earth.

33. If the twenty-four elders of Revelation 4:1-5:14 are representative of the church as many expositors believe, it would necessitate the rapture and reward of the church before the Tribulation.

34. The coming of Christ for His bride must take place before the Second Coming to the earth for the wedding feast (Rev. 19:7-10).

35. Tribulation saints are not translated at the second coming of Christ but carry on ordinary occupations such as farming and building houses, and they will bear children (Isa. 65:20-25). This would be impossible if all saints were translated at the Second Coming to the earth, as posttribulationists teach.

36. The judgment of the Gentiles following the Second Coming (Matt. 25:31-46) indicates that both saved and unsaved are still in their natural bodies. This would be impossible if the translation had taken place at the Second Coming.

37. If the translation took place in connection with the Second Coming to the earth, there would be no need of separating the sheep from the goats at a subsequent judgment, but the separation would have taken place in the very act of the translation of the believers before Christ actually sets up His throne on earth (Matt. 25:31).

38. The judgment of Israel (Ezek. 20:34-38), which occurs subsequent to the Second Coming, indicates the necessity of regathering Israel. The separation of the saved from the unsaved in this judgment obviously takes place sometime after the Second Coming and would be unnecessary if the saved had previously been separated from the unsaved by translation.

Contrasts Between the Rapture and the Second Coming

39. At the time of the Rapture the saints meet Christ in the air, while at the Second Coming Christ returns to the Mount of Olives to meet the saints on earth.

40. At the time of the Rapture the Mount of Olives is unchanged, while at the Second Coming it divides and a valley is formed to the east of Jerusalem (Zech. 14:4-5).

41. At the Rapture living saints are translated, while no saints are translated in connection with the second coming of Christ to the earth.

42. At the Rapture the saints go to heaven, while at the Second Coming to the earth the saints remain on the earth without translation.

43. At the time of the Rapture the world is unjudged and continues in sin, while at the Second Coming the world is judged and righteousness is established in the earth.

44. The translation of the church is pictured as a deliverance before the day of wrath, while the Second Coming is followed by the deliverance of those who have believed in Christ during the Tribulation.

45. The Rapture is described as imminent, while the Second Coming is preceded by definite signs.

46. The translation of living believers is a truth revealed only in the New Testament, while the Second Coming with its attendant events is a prominent doctrine of both Testaments.

47. The Rapture concerns only the saved, while the Second Coming deals with both saved and unsaved.

48. At the Rapture Satan is not bound, while at the Second Coming Satan is bound and cast into the abyss.

49. No unfulfilled prophecy stands between the church and the Rapture, while many signs must be fulfilled before the Second Coming.

50. No passage dealing with the resurrection of saints at the Second Coming ever mentions translation of living saints at the same time. The blessed hope of the return of the Lord for His church is a precious aspect of faith and expectation. While learned and devout saints have not always agreed as to the content of this hope, the present discussion has attempted to justify this important aspect of truth. May the promise of our Lord “I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am” (John 14:3) bring comfort and hope to us in a modern world as it was intended to do for the disciples in the upper room on that dark night before the Crucifixion. “The Spirit and the bride say, ‘Come!’ And let him who hears say, ‘Come!’…He who testifies to these things says, ‘Yes, I am coming soon’“ (Rev. 22:17, 20).
 
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Pretrib all the way baby. God isn't going to let His bride experience abuse by the AC. Come on man!

Did ya ever see in Revelation where John saw a crowd too big to count, that came out of the tribulation, who were martyred by the Antichrist for refusing to take the mark?
 
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Or perhaps we read it and actually pay attention to the CONTEXT of what is being said rather than following the strange dreams of a wee Scottish lassie who had too many ice cream and pickle sandwiches before going to sleep.

1 Thessalonians, and the corollary verse in 1 Corinthians 15 are speaking of the Resurrection. Go back and read all of 1 Corinthians 15 and you will see that the entire chapter is about the Resurrection and those who were saying that it had already happened or wasn't going to happen. St. Paul is correcting them, not speaking about some idea of a "Rapture of the Church" some 2,000 years in the future.
You assume that this is a bodily "caught up" and not a spiritual caught up. This is reading the text with a presupposition in mind and then bending the verses to fit what you think they say.

Explain how “and we who are ALIVE shall also be caught up” is a spiritual event only, since they are caught up BODILY.
 
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@Rachel20 You're always quoting 1 Thessalonians 4:17-18 as "proof" for the pre-trib rapture, but have you ever read the verse just before that, verse 16? It says there

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

Jesus is not going to come 3 times. The rapture is after Jesus returns, and His 2nd coming is the end of the world. That's why the dead will rise (verse 16) before we get raptured (verse 17).
Verses 13 through 18 do not place the Second Coming or rapture at any point in time. The dead in Christ are resurrected because they are part of Christ's resurrection. It is applied to the Cross, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Paul does not claim this happens at the end of the world.

The Second Coming brings Christ back to earth for a length of time greater than the first time. The Second Coming and rapture are one event. This does not prove the end of the world. The church has to be removed so the 70th week of Daniel can be brought to completion by Christ Himself.

Paul claims the church is removed prior to the work of Christ on the earth. The removal of the church allows Christ to once again focus on His people the house of Jacob. The church is in Paradise. Christ is on the earth for the Trumpets and Thunders.

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

While Paul does not associate this with a time frame, he echos Christ's own words:

“But immediately following the trouble of those times,
the sun will grow dark,
the moon will stop shining,
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers in heaven will be shaken.


“Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, all the tribes of the Land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with tremendous power and glory. He will send out his angels with a great shofar; and they will gather together his chosen people from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Paul confirms Christ's own words.

Christ promises He will come back and it will be to earth. And it will be to finish His work on the earth. He will bring with Him angels and the sounds of the Trumpets.

Paul was pointing out the Second Coming is as sure as the physical resurrection of Christ. Paul pointed out the Resurrection of Christ is applied directly to those in Christ.

"Now, brothers, we want you to know the truth about those who have died; otherwise, you might become sad the way other people do who have nothing to hope for. For since we believe that Yeshua died and rose again, we also believe that in the same way God, through Yeshua, will take with him those who have died."
 
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Except everyone who actually reads the Bible:

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

And:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
 
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