WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY

SabbathBlessings · Feb 5, 2021

Lawrence87 said:
It was changed to Sunday because Sunday was the day of the week upon which Christ arose from the tomb.

Please show scripture where Jesus instructed this change.

Lawrence87 · Feb 5, 2021

imge said:
Please show scripture where Jesus instructed this change.

Why does that have to be the criteria? It's clearly been the way the Church has done things for centuries going right back to the early days, why is that considered unauthoritative just because it is not expressly committed to Scripture?

SabbathBlessings · Feb 5, 2021

Lawrence87 said:
Why does that have to be the criteria? It's clearly been the way the Church has done things for centuries going right back to the early days, why is that considered unauthoritative just because it is not expressly committed to Scripture?

The obvious answer is that we are supposed to follow God. When we follow man-made traditions that goes against what He taught, than we no longer follow Him. He told us His Holy day is the seventh day and asked us to Remember it. Why should we do something different that what He asked?

Lawrence87 · Feb 5, 2021

imge said:
The obvious answer is that we are supposed to follow God. When we follow man-made transitions that goes against what He taught, than we no longer follow Him. He told us His Holy day is the seventh day and ask us to Remember it. Why should we do something different that what He asked?

Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you

- 1 Corinthians 11:2

So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:15

There is no Biblical basis for ignoring the traditions of the Church, indeed these verses say that we ought to hold firmly to them, it even explicitly states to do so even if these are by word of mouth. It is clear that it has been Church tradition to come together on the first day of the week, it even says so in Acts 20:7. Christ also said he is the Lord of the Sabbath, which means it is within His power to change the day that it is celebrated upon.

There are a lot of things that Christians believe or do that are not explicitly dictated in the words of Christ. That doesn't mean these should be discarded. Nor could it be said that it counts for nothing that the Church has always come together for the Eucharist on a Sunday since the very early days.

SabbathBlessings · Feb 5, 2021

Lawrence87 said:
There is no Biblical basis for ignoring the traditions of the Church, indeed these verses say that we ought to hold firmly to them, it even explicitly states to do so even if these are by word of mouth. It is clear that it has been Church tradition to come together on the first day of the week, it even says so in Acts 20:7. Christ also said he is the Lord of the Sabbath, which means it is within His power to change the day that it is celebrated upon.

There are a lot of things that Christians believe or do that are not explicitly dictated in the words of Christ. That doesn't mean these should be discarded. Nor could it be said that it counts for nothing that the Church has always come together for the Eucharist on a Sunday since the very early days.

If you could provide clear scripture He changed His Sabbath. He told us He changes not. What God wrote with His own hand and asked us to Remember is not something man should change. The church is not above God. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for God to change His Sabbath after He asked us to Remember it to only to change it back again on the New Earth.

Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Changing Gods Holy day is one of the greatest deceptions that is referenced in the Bible. There is even several warnings about it.

Daniel 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law.

The Sabbath commandment is the only law that is both a time (every Saturday) and a law (4th commandment)

Jesus said:

‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ” Mathew 15 8-9
The first day worship is a commandment of man, not God.

This is Gods commandment written and spoken by Him:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Do you follow man or follow God? If God told me His Holy day is Wednesday, that is the day I would worship. It's not that I have a preference over Saturday more than any other day. To be honest, Sunday would be more convenient for me, but its not about me, its about following Him as we are told to do. God bless

prodromos · Feb 5, 2021

imge said:
Yes, if you could provide clear scripture He changed His Sabbath. He told us He changes not. What God wrote with His own hand and asked us to Remember is not something man should change. The church is not above God. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for God to change His Sabbath after He asked us to Remember it to only to change it back again on the New Earth.

Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Changing Gods Holy day is one of the greatest deceptions that is referenced in the Bible. There is even several warnings about it.

Daniel 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law.

The Sabbath commandment is the only law that is both a time (every Saturday) and a law (4th commandment)

Jesus said:

‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ” Mathew 15 8-9
The first day worship is a commandment of man, not God.

This is Gods commandment written and spoken by Him:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Do you follow man or follow God? If God told me His Holy day is Wednesday, that is the day I would worship. It's not that I have a preference over Saturday more than any other day. To be honest, Sunday would be more convenient for me, but its not about me, its about following Him as we are told to do. God bless

Back to the straw man.
No one has changed the Sabbath. It is and always has been the seventh day. The Lord's day is Sunday, the eighth day, the eternal day which has no night following, the "new day which the Lord has made", the day on which God completed His work of salvation by raising our flesh out of Hades, having defeated death, the day after He had rested in the tomb on the Sabbath.

SabbathBlessings · Feb 5, 2021

prodromos said:
Back to the straw man.
No one has changed the Sabbath. It is and always has been the seventh day. The Lord's day is Sunday, the eighth day, the eternal day which has no night following, the "new day which the Lord has made", the day on which God completed His work of salvation by raising our flesh out of Hades, having defeated death, the day after He had rested in the tomb on the Sabbath.

Please provide the scripture stating that. There is no scripture supporting the Lords day is Sunday, but Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath, which makes a much stronger argument.
For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath= Lords Day.
Mathew 12:18

Why would God make a working day the Lords day when He specifically Blessed, made Sacred, Hallowed, and made Holy only the seventh day Sabbath. Plus there is no scripture to support the first day is the Lords day, a Holy day, His Sabbath.

prodromos · Feb 5, 2021

Jesus taught His disciples by word of mouth, and they in turn taught their disciples by word of mouth when they established ekklesias. All of those ekklesias, holding fast to the traditions they had been taught by word or epistle, hold the eighth day in high honour above the Sabbath. They did not choose to do this in isolation from one another but were all taught the same by the Apostles.
Paul tells Timothy that the household of God is the pillar and ground of truth, and Peter states that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation. So do you follow the Church or do you follow your interpretation of Scripture?

LoveGodsWord · Feb 5, 2021

prodromos said:
Jesus taught His disciples by word of mouth, and they in turn taught their disciples by word of mouth when they established ekklesias. All of those ekklesias, holding fast to the traditions they had been taught by word or epistle, hold the eighth day in high honour above the Sabbath. They did not choose to do this in isolation from one another but were all taught the same by the Apostles.
Paul tells Timothy that the household of God is the pillar and ground of truth, and Peter states that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation. So do you follow the Church or do you follow your interpretation of Scripture?

Actually no. Jesus taught the disciples by scripture. In turn the disciples taught their disciples by scripture which was written down and recorded as scripture when the Church was established. The ekklesia are the people that have the scriptures and believe and follow them. God's Church is not above scripture it is subject to scripture as Paul and John show in Acts of the Apostles 5:29

LoveGodsWord · Feb 6, 2021

Lawrence87 said:
There is no Biblical basis for ignoring the traditions of the Church, indeed these verses say that we ought to hold firmly to them, it even explicitly states to do so even if these are by word of mouth. It is clear that it has been Church tradition to come together on the first day of the week, it even says so in Acts 20:7. Christ also said he is the Lord of the Sabbath, which means it is within His power to change the day that it is celebrated upon.

There are a lot of things that Christians believe or do that are not explicitly dictated in the words of Christ. That doesn't mean these should be discarded. Nor could it be said that it counts for nothing that the Church has always come together for the Eucharist on a Sunday since the very early days.

There is bible basis for ignoring the teachings and traditions of the Church when they disregard the teachings of the Word of God. According to John and Peter, we ought to obey God rather then man *Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4

LoveGodsWord · Feb 6, 2021

Lawrence87 said:
Why does that have to be the criteria? It's clearly been the way the Church has done things for centuries going right back to the early days, why is that considered unauthoritative just because it is not expressly committed to Scripture?

Scripture is the only test to know if someone is from God or not. We are told to test the spirits to know if they are from God or not *1 John 4:1-6; 2 Timothy 3:16; 1 John 2:3-4

LoveGodsWord · Feb 6, 2021

Lawrence87 said:
It was changed to Sunday because Sunday was the day of the week upon which Christ arose from the tomb.

The Sabbath is Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and traditions handed down by fallen Christianity (BABYLON) which has led many to break God's 4th commandment. Jesus says if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. So who should we believe and follow; God or man? I know who I believe and follow. Only God's Word is true *Romans 3:4 and we should believe and follow it.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 6, 2021

prodromos said:
As do many other messianic prophecies

How can God's 4th commandment be a prophecy when it does not point forward to things to come? God's 4th commandment is a "memorial" of creation meaning it points backwards to the finished work of creation so cannot be a prophetic "shadow law". God's 4th commandment specifically points backwards when it says... "REMEMBER" (pointing backward to Genesis 2:1-3) the Sabbath day to keep it Holy... *Exodus 20:6

LoveGodsWord · Feb 6, 2021

The Liturgist said:
Firstly, the Didascalia, which is sacred scripture, included in the Broad Canon of the Ethiopian church, commends Sunday as a day of rejoicing in the resurrection of the Lord.

Secondly, the traditions of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, like those of many churches, are from God and not from man. The holiness of the Ethiopian church has been attested by the enormous amount of blood spilled by her martyrs over the centuries, and Ethiopians have been martyred by Muslims, Communists and Italian Fascists. I estimate the ratio of Ethiopian to Adventist martyrs is approximately a thousand to one.

Thirdly, when our Lord uses the phrase “traditions of men,” it is inevitably in response to questions involving the Jewish law and the emerging strictures established around it by the Pharisees. Some SDA policies about the Sabbath, such as the ban on shopping, strike me as a direct violation of our Lord’s declaration that the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Fourthly, nowhere in my post did I say anything about supplanting Saturday with Sunday as the Sabbath. This literally makes no sense, because Saturday is the day of rest, and Sunday is the day of the creation and resurrection. It was on the first day that God created the heavens and Earth, it was on the sixth day He created man in His image, and it was on the seventh He rested. Likewise, it was on the first day that God entered Jerusalem on a colt, it was on the sixth day that He died, showing us through His death what it means to be human, as realized by the ashamed Pontius Pilate when he said “Ecce, homo” meaning “Behold the man.” And it was on the seventh day that God rested in a tomb, before rising again having remade mankind in His image on the eighth day.

Christians should observe the Sabbath to commemorate Christ resting in a tomb, in one of three ways: by attending Holy Communion when it is served on the Sabbath, which is virtually every Saturday in the Coptic and Ethiopian church, by attending Vespers that mark the end of the Sabbath and the beginning of the Day of Resurrection, on Saturday Evening, and most importantly, even if the other two services are impossible to attend, by attending Vespers on the evening of Good Friday, which marks the beginning of Holy Saturday, and by attending any and all services on Holy Saturday.

These three days, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, are the most important in Christianity, for on the sixth day, man was created, and recreated by Christ, the New Adam, on the Cross, on the seventh, God rested and furthermore rested in a tomb following His passion, and on the first and eighth day, the universe was created by the Word of God, and the universe was recreated by the Resurrection of the Word of God.

Sunday is therefore the most important day to attend church, but Friday and Saturday are also extremely important. Wednesday, the day of our Lord’s betrayal, is, like Friday, also important as a fasting day; this was the practice of the first Christians, and the practice of John Wesley.

Ideally, Christians would attend church on Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and on any other Holy Days, but the intrusion of secular pressure precludes this for many. Interestingly, in the Syriac Orthodox Church, the Eucharist can be celebrated only on Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, plus any holy days on fixed dates, such as Christmas, the Transfiguration, the Dormition, and the Exaltation of the Holy Cross.

On a side note, on the few occasions I have visited SDA churches, I was dismayed by the lack of a cross. This was in the mid 1990s. Is it still the case that you have no crosses in the nave (or “sanctuary”) of your churches?

The short answer is none of what you have provided here is based on the scriptures of the bible therefore not teachings that are relevant for Christians as only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

HIM · Feb 6, 2021

Lawrence87 said:
It was changed to Sunday because Sunday was the day of the week upon which Christ arose from the tomb.

What verse states that God changed it? I really want to know.

HIM · Feb 6, 2021

prodromos said:
As do many other messianic prophecies

Give some examples please.

Where did you get this idea from. I have been riding this ship for some time and never ever heard any anyone proclaim this about Gen 2:1-3.

Victor in Christ · Feb 6, 2021

Does anyone know what is the TRUE Sabbath day that was observed when Christ was on this earth before the destruction of Jerusalem? How many Hebrews can honestly clarify they know what day it was, what time it started and ended without a computer program trying to solve it for them?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the Israelites were in captivity 3 times and lost their seasons, times, etc. The Prophets (instructed by the Holy Spirit) in the OT tried to bring them back to the ways of the Lord, not through ritual, but by faith that the promised Messiah (Christ) would redeem them. Ezra preached on the 1st (8th) day of the week.

In Acts 20:7, can we honestly say that the Sabbath Paul broke bread and preached until midnight (after the High Sabbath) was our Gregorian calendar Sabbath (Saturday)?

James 2:11 is silent on which day the Sabbath is on.

James 2:8-10 Is the royal law, which is the fruit of the spirit a promise from Christ. GALATIANS 5:22-23

Root of Jesse · Feb 6, 2021

imge said:
God is the one telling us to keep His Sabbath Holy See Exodus 20 8-11 and if you do not like worshipping Him on His Holy Sabbath on this earth will you want to on the New Earth?
Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.

Keeping it holy and worshiping God are two different things. It is true that the Jews did both on the Sabbath, but it is a separate commandment to worship God than to keep the Sabbath.

Root of Jesse · Feb 6, 2021

imge said:
God Blessed, sanctified, made Holy and asked us not to forget His seventh day Sabbath, but yet you prefer to worship Him on day He said was a working day and not a Holy day?

We are to worship God every day. Keeping the Sabbath is different.

Root of Jesse · Feb 6, 2021

imge said:
God Blessed, sanctified, made Holy and asked us not to forget His seventh day Sabbath, but yet you prefer to worship Him on day He said was a working day and not a Holy day?

We are to worship God every day. Keeping the Sabbath is different than worshiping God. Separate commandments.

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