Can marriage ever be a sin if both are Christian

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I agree I did not mean to marry a person who is Christian from similar background who is not truly Christian having relationship with God but ideally you should not marry from a different culture if their family is antichristian and not likely to change though it is permissible if you are sure person has found God but it is not wise

Not all culture is faith based and not all religious practices are part of the culture, although they certainly can be. Culture can be food, music, dancing as well as faith based practices. A person can be of a culture but be of a different faith to the mainstream. I imagine it must be very difficult and such people often face persecution even if this is simply being ostracized.
It would be difficult if their family was strong in their religion and vocal about it, but imagine what they went through to become a Christian in these circumstances. I should think their walk would be much stronger for being brought up that way and deciding against it.
Luke 7:47
Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven--as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little."


I think if a person were to feel called to marry that person that they should do so no matter their family. When you marry it forms a new family union between the married couple. Perhaps it may mean they have to leave their family and cut ties.

Matthew 10:34-37
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Or maybe God has something greater in store and this brings their family to Christ. We need to be open to God's leading, even if it isn't what would make for a comfortable life.
 
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The bible says as it was in the days of Noah they were marrying and giving in marriage and did not know until the flood came and took them all away so it will be when the son of man returns


In the days of Noah marriage was a sin because sons of God married daughters of men that is the non spiritual people


I thought marriage is never a sin if person is Christian as Paul said he who marries has not sinned but such will have trouble in the flesh


But could it be a sin if the other person possibility may not be a true Christian if they are not of similar background to atleast be born in Christian family though it is possible one is a Christian if one is not

What other situations is it a sin ?

But how can it take them by surprise if Christ will come after the tribulation do you think some will not even believe they are in the tribulation because how then can it take them by surprise ?

My dad says when Paul says in the last days people will forbid marriage it means because people will live together without getting married I don’t think however it is necessary to get married and have kids you may not raise in God if one is not spiritual but this means people should not sin and if they do they must repent

I am convinced now that I should not marry because it may not work out my father thought it was good for me though I don’t have to and my grandfather
my dads father told me before he died he wanted me to get married but my father said I don’t have to listen to him if I thought it was good and I was able to do something for the Lord I would think to get married but I think being single is being more profitable for the Lord the barren has more children than one who is married because you should not make people feel they have to get married which being single is maybe more safe and good for some and you don’t know if you will meet one suitable

unless I am convinced being married is good if I meet one suitable I don’t think I should get married

Being unequally yoked isn’t a sin, and the Bible doesn’t say it is - it’s just unwise to marry when you know you’re not equally yoked.

Paul says if you’re in that situation, to remain married - and warns against being foolish enough to deliberately become unequally yoked.
 
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The bible says as it was in the days of Noah they were marrying and giving in marriage and did not know until the flood came and took them all away so it will be when the son of man returns

He also refers to buying and selling, building and planting, and even eating and drinking. The specific actions are not the lesson behind his comments, but rather he's saying that these people had become so busy with their own, day-to-day, normal, ordinary lives that they stopped caring about what God wanted. It's the exact rebuke that Jesus gave to Satan when he said, "Man shall not live by bread alone".

The cares of the world had become more important and they stopped listening to what God wanted. Notice that he makes this same observation for both Noah's day and the days of Sodom. Most people believe that Sodom was destroyed for sexual sins, but that's not what Jesus said. Abraham was convinced that he could find 50 righteous people in Sodom. Why? Why was he so sure about that? Because he had been fooled by religious respectability. The people probably talked about God and how wonderful he was, and Abraham believed their talk was a demonstration of sincerity.

But, when Abraham tried to warn them that the city was about to be destroyed by God, no one believed him. When it was time to act they showed just how fake all their nice, flowery talk about God really was. They were not prepared to leave their ordinary lives; they were not prepared to leave everything behind when a prophet of God spoke to them. This is rather dramatically illustrated with Lot's wife who, when she looked back at what she was leaving, she was punished.

The point was to make it very clear that when God says "Go!", he really means it. Jesus makes this context clear by referring to it in Luke 17:32. Just after referring to the Days of Noah and Lot, he uses a parable of a man on the roof or in a field who, when called, should not even go into his house for his stuff, but instead should leave immediately. Then he says, "Remember Lot's wife".

You can cross reference this lesson with the parable Jesus told about the people who are invited to the wedding supper. A representative goes to three people and each one offers some excuse why he cannot leave. One just married. One bought a field, and the other bought new animals (Luke 14:17-20). It's essentially the same, exact lesson as the Days of Noah and Lot reference, just in a different format.

Marriage is not the problem, but emotional attachments can blind us to hearing from God, just like basic necessities like food and clothing can interfere with us learning about what's really important in life. That's why Satan tempted Jesus with the bread.

We can see that same thing happening in the world today with all the materialism around us. People go to church, they read their Bibles, and they make some pretty nice speeches about the love of God etc, but if the rest of their time they spend participating in the worldly system. They have jobs where they work for Caesar, they invest in their houses and their stuff, and they plant their families firmly in strongly rooted, day-to-day normalcy.

When God says go, they don't want to let go of all that they've built for themselves.
 
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The bible says as it was in the days of Noah they were marrying and giving in marriage and did not know until the flood came and took them all away so it will be when the son of man returns


In the days of Noah marriage was a sin because sons of God married daughters of men that is the non spiritual people


I thought marriage is never a sin if person is Christian as Paul said he who marries has not sinned but such will have trouble in the flesh


But could it be a sin if the other person possibility may not be a true Christian if they are not of similar background to atleast be born in Christian family though it is possible one is a Christian if one is not

What other situations is it a sin ?

Marriage isn't a sin, Mark 10:7-8.
Paul talks about marriage when one partner is a believer and the other not - he says not to end the marriage but pray for your partner.
 
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Thanks but people are not obliged to get married it is their choice.

Of course - but that is a long way from saying that marriage is a sin.
If it were, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, Isaiah, Mary and Joseph, Peter etc etc would all have sinned. If they had not married, they would never have had children, and in fact the human race may have been wiped out centuries ago.

Marriage is not better than singleness.

It depends - it might be twice as good.
Married Christians could be in ministry together, and be twice as effective or productive.

A single person can be more devoted to the Lord’s things

They COULD be - or they may just be devoted on how to get married and have kids.

if one fails to lead one family right though the children are still responsible for themselves they could save themselves but less likely for them to help their children their children will have to save themselves

No one can save themselves; that's why Jesus came.
Are you saying that it's better not to have children because they might go off the rails and not follow Jesus? I don't have children, and I disagree.

One should not get married if one is not sure he wants to get married

Of course.

to look after a family or does not want to bear the burden if he maybe fails to do so or and if one does not want to have responsibility of raising people also but just to save himself.

Although a couple should discuss having children before they marry, people shouldn't get married just for that reason; they may discover that they cannot have children.

Or if one was in error to marry one for which the other had no intention for marriage to work

I don't think many people wake up thinking, I want to get married, and grab the nearest person off the street.
Marriage should happen after a couple have got to know one another and with love, trust and faith in that person. Sadly, people do get tempted and have affairs within marriage. But the words "forsaking all others" should mean something, and the desire to love, and not hurt, your spouse should mean something also. If I had had a boyfriend and known that he had no intention of being faithful, or being prepared to persevere during the tough times in our relationship, I wouldn't have dreamt of committing myself to him.
 
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It depends - it might be twice as good.
Married Christians could be in ministry together, and be twice as effective or productive.

Hi SiH. I have thought about this as well. I've seen some married couples who really work well together and seem to encourage one another to greater spiritual heights in a way that would not be there if they had not married.

And yet, both Jesus and Paul (1 Corinthians 7:32-36) did make it clear that being single for God is the superior option. Jesus' comment was a little more cryptic. He said there are some people who are born eunuchs, some people who are made eunuchs by others, and some who make themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven. But, he follows that up by saying this is for those who can accept it (Matthew 19:12). He's not forbidding marriage, but the implication is that deliberately choosing to stay single is better.

I do not mean to disparage those who are married, but only to honestly consider what Jesus and Paul may have been trying to communicate about marriage.
 
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Hi SiH. I have thought about this as well. I've seen some married couples who really work well together and seem to encourage one another to greater spiritual heights in a way that would not be there if they had not married.

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And yet, both Jesus and Paul (1 Corinthians 7:32-36) did make it clear that being single for God is the superior option. Jesus' comment was a little more cryptic. He said there are some people who are born eunuchs, some people who are made eunuchs by others, and some who make themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven.

I don't think that "eunuch" means, or just means, "single person".

I don't see Jesus as saying that being single is preferable to being married - he did say that "for this reason a man leaves his mother and father, is joined with his wife and the 2 become one flesh." Why would he say that if God's plan was for people to remain unmarried?
And at least one of his own disciples was married.

I do not mean to disparage those who are married, but only to honestly consider what Jesus and Paul may have been trying to communicate about marriage.

I don't see that either of them were against it.
I read in a commentary once that some people think that Paul must have been married at some point, as he had been a member of a prominent Jewish council and it would have been very unusual for any single Jewish man to have been on that. I have no idea where I read that and can't quote any references, but it was the author's position.
Paul didn't seem to have a problem with Priscilla and Aquila being married.
 
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I don't see that either of them were against it.

You misunderstand my meaning. I did not suggest that either of them was against marriage; only that staying single for God is the superior option. I'm guessing you feel offended by that because you think it is a slight on your own marriage. That is not my meaning. Jesus clarified that his comment about eunuchs was for those who could accept it. The implication is that this single-mindedness is his preference, but he understands some people will choose to marry. It's likely that he recognized some people would work better together (which is why he added that caveat about it being for those who can accept it), but still, he has a responsibility to clarify the superior option.

I don't think that "eunuch" means, or just means, "single person".

A eunuch is a man who has been castrated to prevent sexual desire. Typically they were put in charge of a ruler's harem and could be trusted with that job precisely because they'd not be tempted. These are not voluntary positions as most of them were only boys when they were castrated which prevented them from maturing (though this misfortune was offset by having very close access to the ruler, and therefor power).

When Jesus says there are some who make themselves eunuchs he was referring to a person making a choice to stay single. The comment only has merit in that context based on what the word actually means. There was a lot of confusion about this in the years after his death, with some men believing that he meant it literally. As a result they would perform very dangerous procedures on themselves and one another. I admire their commitment, but they could have avoided a lot of pain and trouble if they'd just listened to the spirit of his comments.

Paul didn't seem to have a problem with Priscilla and Aquila being married.

I agree. Paul was not against marriage. You seem a little bit sensitive about this topic. Is it something which has been an issue before, in another context? I know that some divorced and remarried couples can be quite sensitive to this issue because Jesus forbid divorce and remarriage.

I read in a commentary once that some people think that Paul must have been married at some point, as he had been a member of a prominent Jewish council and it would have been very unusual for any single Jewish man to have been on that. I have no idea where I read that and can't quote any references, but it was the author's position.

I would suggest that this author probably also had some kind of sensitivity to this issue which influenced how he interprets Paul's writings. The most clear information regarding his attitude toward marriage comes from 1 Corinthians 7. He says:

2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

This is pretty clear; marriage is okay. He goes on to give some instructions for how married couples should behave, that they should not deny one another sex except in the event that they both agree to be apart for a time of fasting and prayer, but then come back together again so that they don't get tempted to wander.

Then he goes on to say that he's not issuing these instructions on behalf of God, but rather just giving his opinion (i.e. But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.)

The next verse is pretty clear; he says, " For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that".

The context is that of married couples, but then he says, "I wish everyone was like me" (i.e. single). If he was married, this comment would make no sense. He even suggests that staying single for God may actually be a gift in the same way that people have different gifts. I have often struggled with understanding how much of celibacy is a personal choice and how much is a calling from God. There seems to be a lot of grey area there.

Then the next couple verses make it even more clear; he says, "I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."

Whomever that author was who suggested (as far as you can remember) that Paul was married probably didn't read this chapter carefully. Paul says to the unmarried (and widows) that they should be like him (i.e. unmarried). But, if they genuinely feel like they can't handle that, okay, get married. No problem.

A little further along in verses 25 and 26 he says this: "Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be."

Take careful note that he's gone back to expressing his opinion again. He judges that it would be better for virgins (whether male or female) to remain virgins (i.e. not marry). This is not a command from God against marriage; it's just an honest opinion from a wise man.

Also note that he clarifies "for this present distress". We're no longer in the time of "be fruitful and multiply". Circumstances have changed. Again, marriage and having children is not wrong, but even Jesus made it clear that the days before his return would be very difficult for anyone with children. He even says woe to those people (Matthew 24:19). That's a pretty serious warning.

In verse 28 he once again reiterates that he's not condemning marriage: "But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you."

I guess I feel some affinity for Paul in this context as I also feel that I must comfort you every few sentences with a reiteration that marriage is not wrong. He probably faced similar frustrations with the churches (especially the church at Corinth as he seemed to have more trouble with this church than with any of the others).

He makes it clear that his comments are not meant to be taken as orders against marriage, but rather he's trying to communicate a spiritual principle and they keep missing it because of their insecurities, like he's trying to take something away from them.

He even goes so far as to suggest that those who are married should consider experimenting as though they are not: "But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;"

At first this may sound like a contradiction to his earlier comments that husbands and wives should not deprive one another of sex, but it's not a contradiction at all. He's saying that they should practice with learning how to let go of the emotional attachments that they feel for one another as these feelings can often blind us to the bigger picture that God may want us to see, without us even realizing it.

This is a difficult lesson to communicate to married couples because of that emotional attachment. It is not wrong to have strong feelings, but it's easy to mistake discipline as a threat to the relationship. By discipline, I mean the same thing Paul does; learning how to put God first even after being married.

Then he gives some reasons why staying single is better: "He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife."

It's not meant to be an insult; it's just an observation which makes practical sense, not necessarily in all cases, but in general.

He goes on to recognize, once again, that some people may interpret this as a threat to their desires. He says, "And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction."

He's not trying to trick or trap or deny anyone. He's simply saying what he believes to be right. He genuinely believes it's better to stay single and as a spiritual leader it's his job to communicate what he thinks is right even if it may offend or hurt some people's feelings.

He concludes by saying this:
"Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.


So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better".

It is important for all unmarried Christians to carefully consider whether or not they should get married. Strong feelings are not wrong, but they should not be the foundation of marriage. They should be taught to at least consider celibacy first, and if, after that consideration they still believe it is better to marry, then that's what they should do. But, if they don't even want to consider it, that's a problem. It demonstrates that their feelings are overpowering their ability to at least consider putting God first.
 
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You misunderstand my meaning. I did not suggest that either of them was against marriage; only that staying single for God is the superior option.

Sorry, I shouldn't have used the word against.
But if someone thinks that being single is a superior option, that is saying that marriage is either second best or not what was intended for us. It's almost saying, "God can certainly bless your marriage but this was not his plan for your life; you won't be as effective at serving him now."

I'm guessing you feel offended by that because you think it is a slight on your own marriage.

Not at all.
But I know many committed, loving Christians couples who have fantastic ministries, whose gifts complement one another and who do great things for the Lord. The implication that they would be better, or more effective, on their own is, I believe, incorrect.

Jesus clarified that his comment about eunuchs was for those who could accept it. The implication is that this single-mindedness is his preference,

Sorry, but I'm not sure that implications are good enough - we live by what Jesus taught, not by what we assume that he was implying.

but he understands some people will choose to marry. It's likely that he recognized some people would work better together (which is why he added that caveat about it being for those who can accept it), but still, he has a responsibility to clarify the superior option.

Jesus chose a married man to be his disciple; I'm not sure his preference was that a person can better serve God when they are single. He taught his disciples about divorce; surely it would have been better to say "you can serve me better as a single person and my preference is that you do not marry - so it's unlikely you'll ever need to know about divorce."

A eunuch is a man who has been castrated to prevent sexual desire.

I know.
But there's more to marriage than sex; some people get married for the first time in their 60s. I'm not saying they never have a sexual relationship but I doubt it's the main thing driving them to marry.
And women can have sexual desires too.

When Jesus says there are some who make themselves eunuchs he was referring to a person making a choice to stay single.

Sounds as though he was saying that some men are unable to control their sexual desires so they physically do something about it.
That's not the same as saying that men and women ideally should not marry.

The comment only has merit in that context based on what the word actually means. There was a lot of confusion about this in the years after his death, with some men believing that he meant it literally. As a result they would perform very dangerous procedures on themselves and one another. I admire their commitment, but they could have avoided a lot of pain and trouble if they'd just listened to the spirit of his comments.

I feel that we're talking about different things here, though.
IF Jesus is saying that some make themselves eunuchs so that they won't marry, that appears to be similar to what Paul later said, "it is better to marry than to burn with passion." In other words, if your sexual urges are so great that they would cause you to sin, either (literally) cut them off, or get married so that you have an outlet for those urges. And let's face it, some people have to get married and have kids or there soon wouldn't be any of us left.

Whereas I thought that we were talking about whether somebody could serve God more effectively as a single person - because of what Paul also said about married men wanting to primarily please their wives and put them first.

I agree. Paul was not against marriage. You seem a little bit sensitive about this topic. Is it something which has been an issue before, in another context?

Not in the slightest.
I'm just not happy with the implication that Jesus prefers Christians to remain single. As a married woman it's hard to take that any other way than "you have missed God's plan for your life and are doing what is second best."
We are Christians who believed that God wanted us to marry.

I would suggest that this author probably also had some kind of sensitivity to this issue which influenced how he interprets Paul's writings. The most clear information regarding his attitude toward marriage comes from 1 Corinthians 7. He says:

2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

This is pretty clear; marriage is okay.

That's what I'm saying. There seems to be a view along the lines of "we all know that people have sexual urges/feelings; so that they don't give into these, commit adultery or have casual sexual relationships, they had better get married and make it all 'legal'." As though marriage is what you do if you want children, or you simply can't control yourself.
But marriage is about more than just legitimising sex.

You seem to think that singleness was Jesus' 'preferred option'. Paul said that a married man thinks mainly about his wife and how to please her, rather than putting God first.
THAT suggests that maybe effectiveness in serving God is increased, or reduced, depending on your marital status. Which again, implies that someone who is married is not in God's best plan for their life. That's what I'm objecting to.
I'm saying that Christian married couples can serve God as effectively and efficiently as Christians who are single.

A little further along in verses 25 and 26 he says this: "Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be."

Take careful note that he's gone back to expressing his opinion again. He judges that it would be better for virgins (whether male or female) to remain virgins (i.e. not marry). This is not a command from God against marriage; it's just an honest opinion from a wise man.

Fine.

Whomever that author was who suggested (as far as you can remember) that Paul was married probably didn't read this chapter carefully. Paul says to the unmarried (and widows) that they should be like him (i.e. unmarried).

Because Paul was unmarried when he wrote those words it does not prove that he had never been married.
He's not trying to trick or trap or deny anyone. He's simply saying what he believes to be right. He genuinely believes it's better to stay single and as a spiritual leader it's his job to communicate what he thinks is right even if it may offend or hurt some people's feelings.

Yes, he may well have believed that, but he's dead.

It is important for all unmarried Christians to carefully consider whether or not they should get married.

Yes, of course.
But the thing is that if being single really was Jesus' "preferred option", then I believe far fewer Christians would actually marry, because we all want to serve God and want his will for our lives.
 
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You seem to think that singleness was Jesus' 'preferred option'. Paul said that a married man thinks mainly about his wife and how to please her, rather than putting God first.
THAT suggests that maybe effectiveness in serving God is increased, or reduced, depending on your marital status. Which again, implies that someone who is married is not in God's best plan for their life. That's what I'm objecting to.

I think you're taking this too personally. It's a bit like Jesus saying that we should be perfect as our father in Heaven is perfect. A lot of people would object to this, saying that we can't be perfect. They may feel offended that trying to be perfect frustrates the grace of God and makes Jesus' death on the cross pointless.

But, the standard is perfection. The standard should not be changed just because we sometimes fall short. It's similar with marriage. The standard is total single-mindedness for God. Even after you've married, it's important to remember that God always comes first. God allows people to get married because he wants us to enjoy such union. That's not wrong, and as we've both said, there is the possibility that marriage can help a struggling Christian to be more effective in some areas.

And yet, it would be better if that person did not need marriage to make them more effective. There is no reason to view yourself, or any married couple, as inferior simply because celibacy is superior. This comparison misses the point. It's a bit like saying there is a good and great option. The great option is better than the good option. However, choosing the great option does not suddenly make the good option any less good. It's still good; it's just not great.

Because Paul was unmarried when he wrote those words it does not prove that he had never been married.

This is why I suspect there's some underlying issue here. The evidence we have clearly shows that not only was Paul single, but that he hoped other people would also choose to remain single and that he felt remaining single was better than marriage for specific reasons.

And yet, you stubbornly cling to this idea that maybe, perhaps, possibly at some point in his life he really did get married and this equates to evidence which contradicts his earlier assessment regarding celibacy being superior, despite any evidence to the contrary. You don't remember the author or what the author said specifically; only that you have a memory which conforms to your personal opinions regarding marriage.

If you believe that God was telling you to get married, then good for you. I'm not speaking against that. I think God allows people to get married (or perhaps even encourages them to) because he cares about our personal desires and he knows us better than we know ourselves. Perhaps, in his wisdom, he really does believe that a couple will be more effective than if they had remained single. But, that is no reason to feel offended at Jesus suggesting it's better to remain single. The opposite is true; it comes across as somewhat arrogant, i.e. "because I'm married I have a problem with you saying that celibacy is the superior option".

Yes, he may well have believed that, but he's dead.

Again, this is a very weird comment which suggests that you do feel offended. What does his death have to do with what he believed to be right (i.e. that celibacy is superior to marriage)? Like, because he died, his beliefs could no longer be true or have conviction?
 
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I think you're taking this too personally.

You said that Jesus' words on one occasion show that singleness was "his preferred option" for people. I am a follower of Jesus and I am married. What does that mean for me? That I was weak? That I didn't realise what Jesus' will for my life was?
If that was Jesus' teaching and we are to apply his words and teachings to our lives, how else can I take that other than personally?

Fortunately I don't believe that Jesus was saying that, so it's not a problem.

But, the standard is perfection. The standard should not be changed just because we sometimes fall short. It's similar with marriage. The standard is total single-mindedness for God. Even after you've married, it's important to remember that God always comes first. God allows people to get married because he wants us to enjoy such union. That's not wrong, and as we've both said, there is the possibility that marriage can help a struggling Christian to be more effective in some areas.

I don't think you can see that you're contradicting yourself here.
IF Jesus taught that it was his preference, i.e will, that people should not marry, then Christians who wanted to obey his teachings and follow his will should not even think about getting married. By doing so they would be saying "never mind what your will for my life is, Jesus, never mind that you would prefer me to stay single; I'm not doing that."
And God should not allow people to marry - not if his Son had specifically taught that he preferred his followers to be single.

You seem to be saying, "Jesus prefers people to be single but God allows them to marry".
What does that mean - that Jesus and God are contradicting one another?

And yet, it would be better if that person did not need marriage to make them more effective.

They don't.
That implies that a Christian is inadequate on their own and needs marriage to be able to achieve more. That a Christian should legitimately talk about their "better half" because without that person, they are ineffective.
Nonsense.
A Christian serves and loves the Lord. They can do so perfectly well as a single person, or God might say "it is not good for man to be alone" and call them to get married. If that happens, marriage is the highest calling for that couple - they are fulfilling God's will by being together. And God's will for them as a couple might be to form a Ministry team, go overseas, lead the church, teach Christians to do ......, or it might be for them to raise children and be salt and light for their community while being involved in every day life; work, kids, unemployment etc.

Christians, I hope, get married for love, and also because they believe that God has brought them together and wants them to serve him together.
The marriage relationship is an illustration of that between Christ and his church.

This is why I suspect there's some underlying issue here.

My only "underlying issue" is your erroneous teaching that Jesus would prefer if his followers were single.

The evidence we have clearly shows that not only was Paul single, but that he hoped other people would also choose to remain single and that he felt remaining single was better than marriage for specific reasons.

And yet, you stubbornly cling to this idea that maybe, perhaps, possibly at some point in his life he really did get married

I'm not "stubbornly clinging" to any idea.
I said that I once read in a commentary that Paul had probably been married at some point in his life, because it would have been very unusual for him not to have bee and because, apparently, membership of some Jewish council was only for those who were married. It was an idea in a book and the author may have been wrong.

So what if he was right or wrong? At he time Paul wrote those words to the Corinthians he was clearly unmarried - I have not disputed that.


You don't remember the author or what the author said specifically; only that you have a memory which conforms to your personal opinions regarding marriage.

As I'm talking about a comment that I read in a book around 35 years ago, when I was happily single and long before I got married, it's probably best not to make that judgement.

If you believe that God was telling you to get married, then good for you.

I know you're not.
But you did say that you believe that Jesus' words about eunuchs show that his preference was for people to remain single.
How do you expect a Christian married person not to react to that comment?

I think God allows people to get married (or perhaps even encourages them to) because he cares about our personal desires and he knows us better than we know ourselves.

If it is Jesus' preference that people remain single, why would God encourage anyone to get married?
Doesn't he mind if we don't care about what his Son wants?

But, that is no reason to feel offended at Jesus suggesting it's better to remain single. The opposite is true; it comes across as somewhat arrogant, i.e. "because I'm married I have a problem with you saying that celibacy is the superior option".

I'm not offended that you CLAIM that this is what Jesus wants - I'm just asking you to think through the implications of such a statement.

I AM offended if you're implying that God might say to some people, "you won't be able to serve me adequately as a single person, you'd better get married". Or that marriage is some kind of compromise.
Fortunately, it is you saying that and not God.


Again, this is a very weird comment which suggests that you do feel offended. What does his death have to do with what he believed to be right (i.e. that celibacy is superior to marriage)? Like, because he died, his beliefs could no longer be true or have conviction?

You already said that Paul was giving his own opinion and not a command from the Lord.
Fine. He was allowed to have his own opinion; he was allowed to teach all his churches that he, personally, believed celibacy to be superior, or preferable, to marriage. He could have spent 20 odd years teaching his own opinion, for all I know, may have sincerely believed that his opinion was right and wished that all Christians shared it.

But as it was only his opinion and not an enforceable command, and as he is dead, what relevance, or application, do his words have for us today?
That would be like me saying that, as a Methodist, it is important for me to consider John Wesley's opinion on ......., before I make my own mind up about what I should do today.
 
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Incase these are the last days if there could be a risk of having children that you are not sure you can look after them and that you have a relationship with God already to raise them in Christ it seems it is better for me not to have children as bible says in last days it will be said blessed are the wombs which never bore

Anyone can repent today but if one disobeys God will for ones life we don’t know the consequences even if one doesn’t know it is dangerous for one is commanded to know God will for ones life

I saw this in a Facebook group I think it best I keep myself until I can be sure for sure I am ready and able to serve God

Always keep it in mind!


Please look at this photo, and don't stop looking quickly.


This is life, the life of the world, of the earth.

WORTH NOTHING!


If you want to live your life with friends, family, anyone, and live for them .. then you live the wrong way!


Or do you live to go out, enjoy, travel, accompany, work, eat, drink or have children, boyfriend / girlfriend.


Also in the wrong way!


Our life has its purpose, and we know what it is! Okay ..

The purpose of -ETERNITY-

If you want to get it, then live with God, you have to know his word and talk to others. Prepare yourself more every day, go to church, praise God, and serve him with all your heart.


Unfortunately, people who do not want or need God, their life is not going to rescue them from hell!

Unfortunately, many people do not know God.


If you want to enjoy the moment, okay, enjoy it.

But keep in mind that it is a moment and nothing more, not eternity, not a moment forever.


To live happily ever after, you must know God.

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Incase these are the last days if there could be a risk of having children that you are not sure you can look after them and that you have a relationship with God already to raise them in Christ it seems it is better for me not to have children as bible says in last days it will be said blessed are the wombs which never bore
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It would be a shame if you denied yourself the chance of having children - which are a blessing from God, Psalm 127:3-5 - just in case these are the last days.
I don't think Jesus is saying that childless women are more blessed than anyone else - everyone who has ever lived has done so because a woman gave birth to them; Jesus himself was born of Mary.

Anyone can repent today but if one disobeys God will for ones life we don’t know the consequences even if one doesn’t know it is dangerous for one is commanded to know God will for ones life

God's will for our life is that we accept, and follow, Jesus, John 6:40.
I'm not sure he really minds too much if we become teachers, nurses or plumbers - as long as we belong to him.

Or do you live to go out, enjoy, travel, accompany, work, eat, drink or have children, boyfriend / girlfriend.

There's nothing wrong with those things. A person can know God and have a partner/children, as well as going out to restaurants etc.
 
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I don’t think I will get married as I believe it is not God’s best will for me if I want to be a servant of God it comes with responsibility and I suppose not everyone should get married if they are not sure it is the best time to have children or if they are ready to raise children in God and if they are better used as servants of God. Perhaps for some marriage could be more better for them if God shows them it is His will for them and they are ready and prepared to have children to raise them in Christ
 
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I will seek marriage as it could be a part of God’s plan for some Christians to show Christianity as reasonable not being against marriage but praising it as a way of helping to ensure there are more Christians who will help ensure the continuance of Christianity in society and and could be helpful to help people in their calling to be greater missionaries as they have the help of another to help one if one needs help to be able to do more
 
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I don’t think I will get married as I believe it is not God’s best will for me if I want to be a servant of God it comes with responsibility

There's no reason, if you meet a mice Christian girl, who likes you and shares your values, faith etc, why you can't get married and the two of you serve God together. In the beginning God said, "it is not good for man to be alone", and created woman.
Sure, if you believe you would prefer to remain single/are called to celibacy/want to forgo marriage because you believe you can serve God better as a single person; that is between you and him.

I will seek marriage as it could be a part of God’s plan for some Christians to show Christianity as reasonable not being against marriage

I'm almost certain that God would not want you to get married just so that you can show unbelievers that Christians are allowed to marry.
I don't think anyone would believe that Christians were against marriage. Even monks, nuns, catholic priests and so on remain single because of dedication to God's service, not because they believe marriage to be sinful.

but praising it as a way of helping to ensure there are more Christians who will help ensure the continuance of Christianity in society and and could be helpful to help people in their calling to be greater missionaries as they have the help of another to help one if one needs help to be able to do more

Personally, I would say, don't worry about it.
Carry on living your life, working, serving God, having hobbies, attending church etc and living out your faith as Christ's disciple. If you meet someone, you like one another and start a relationship, then talk to the Lord, and her, about where you want that relationship to go. But many people commit themselves in marriage, and find out later that they can't have children. If that happens and you want them, that is something you would need to face together, as a couple. It's your relationship, faith and your love for each other and God which will get you through the tough times.

Having children does not ensure there will be more Christians - the children could rebel.
Preaching the Gospel and living as a witness for Christ is what makes disciples.
 
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I don’t think I am right for anyone I am not spiritually mature enough and not husband material to be able to do anything good for a wife or children and I don’t think I would even be able to be a good father for children to provide for them I am not stable in terms of showing that I work hard already nor do I feel I could provide spiritual guidance and security for a child not being mature so I am not even going to try if I am not ready and God requires fathers to bring up children in the fear of God and also to be there for one children the bible says better to have no children than an ungodly one and I don’t think I can bear to have a child who could be lost if he is not wise without me if I did not help be able to raise one and to make him secure so I am not even going to try now because I don’t think I am in the best state to do so now and to feel I could certainly know already how to fully raise a child
 
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Actually I think God wants me to trust Him and to try I believe I should not force myself but if someone accepts me and I am stable and I should be able to be responsible I should but I thought not to until I feel I am sure I will be able to know completely how to raise children in Christ but you can’t be fully ready and I believe God wants people to trust Him that God is fair and will help those who seek His help and that all people are responsible for themselves as God help is there I didn’t want to because the bible says better not to have children than an ungodly child but that just means that you will grieve one loss if a child becomes ungodly but one may not be and God wants people to submit others to Him and you have responsibility as parents to be seeking to raise them godly so you should and you would be responsible for them if you don’t seek to raise them godly
 
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