Who is "National Israel"?
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I thought we are discussing the Body of Christ, but well, in that case, the nation of Israel have to repent and accept Christ, before any of their sins can be forgiven. That was what Peter told Israel in Acts 3:19-21.
Jews were saved corporately, as a nation, before the fall of that nation.
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No, in the first place, God cuts covenant with Israel the nation, not with any individual Jews.
Salvation for national Israel, as I said, is always corporately.
Since the 12 are part of Israel, they will receive salvation only when the nation Israel acknowledges Jesus as their promised Messiah in his 2nd coming for them. That is the same time when the New Covenant will come to pass with Israel.
Scripture reference for the above is found in Acts 3:19-21, 1 Peter 1:3-9 and 1 Peter 4:12-19
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I can't find the answer to my question in this post?
Here's the Scripture I'm referring to. What covenant is being contrasted with the Mosaic Mt Sinai old covenant?
Galatians 4:24, 29
These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar.
29At that time, however, the son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now.
These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar.
29At that time, however, the son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now.
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Did you notice who Peter was addressing, when he said this (hint: he was in the Temple court in Jerusalem)?:
Acts 3:19-21
"Repent therefore and return, that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.
"Repent therefore and return, that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.
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I didn't ask who it was written to. I asked what the second covenant is. Clearly there are two mentioned.....being contrasted with each other. Please let us know your understanding of the second (one is identified as the old Mosaic Mt Sinai covenant). What is the other?
Galatians 4:22-24, 28- 29
22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.b 23His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born through the promise
These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar.
28Now we, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise
29At that time, however, the son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now.
22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.b 23His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born through the promise
These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar.
28Now we, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise
29At that time, however, the son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now.
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So what is the Covenant that He "cut" with His disciples, who were individual Jews?
Matthew 26
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
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OK I have gone to the trouble for your sake of listing the verses which speak of the Testament/Covenant.
They ALL use the Greek word diathḗkē :-
Where you see the stars ** behind the reference, it's because neither the word covenant nor the word testament appears in the Greek text, but it was added into the English Bible's for clarity. For example, Hebrews 8:6-7 - the second time the word covenant appears in English, was added for clarity:
Hebrews 8:6-7
6 "But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by so much He is also the Mediator of a better covenant, which was built upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been without fault, then no place would have been sought for the second."
Here below is the list - they all use the same Greek word, and in some English Bible versions the English word testament instead of covenant is used to translate one and the same Greek word:-
Matthew 26:28
Mark 14:24
Luke 1:72
Luke 22:20
Acts 3:25
Acts 7:8
Romans 11:27
1 Corinthians 11:25
2 Corinthians 3:6
2 Corinthians 3:14
Galatians 3:15
Galatians 3:17
Hebrews 7:22
Hebrews 8:6
Hebrews 8:7 **
Hebrews 8:8
Hebrews 8:9
Hebrews 8:10
Hebrews 8:13 **
Hebrews 9:1 **
Hebrews 9:4
Hebrews 9:15
Hebrews 9:16
Hebrews 9:17
Hebrews 9:18 **
Hebrews 9:20
Hebrews 10:16
Hebrews 10:29
Hebrews 12:24
Hebrews 13:20
Revelation 11:19
Hope this helps to get rid of any confusion you might have.
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Guojing
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If you are keen, otherwise, we will just agree to disagree.
How are we “able ministers of the new testament?”
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"Disciples" does not appear in your link.
So what is the Covenant that He "cut" with His disciples, who were individual Jews?
Matthew 26
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
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He is addressing the nation Israel
Acts 3:
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
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I've been nothing but consistent in maintaining, with copious evidence, that there is no difference between the New Testament and the New Covenant.
So what is the Covenant that He "cut" with His disciples, who were individual Jews?
Matthew 26
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
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The same Greek word: diathḗkē. You cannot read?
So what is the Covenant that He "cut" with His disciples, who were individual Jews?
Matthew 26
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
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So that link that I provided explained to you that, even though the Greek word is the same, the meaning can be either seen as Testament or Covenant, depending on the context.
While “covenant” and “testament” are the same Greek word (diatheke), “testament” stresses a special type of agreement. A “testament” is only valid after the testator dies, whereas a “covenant” is in force while the maker is living.
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