DOJ finds no evidence of fraud that’d change election outcome: Attorney General Bill Barr

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Given you claim to have not voted for him, but seem to have given him and his administration near blanket approval and have loudly defended their actions in your post here, there is the appearance of an obvious disconnect.

Why, the question seems to be, would you spring to such a vigorous and partisan defense in an online forum, if you weren't willing to replicate such support in the real world (by voting for him)?
 
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What evidence do we have this is not disinformation, and everyone is either freaking out, or enjoying some confirmation bias?

At this time I am calling it TBD... From my point of view, Trump uses misdirection. I personally have not seen anything except news articles. Both Trump and Barr have used these word salad legalese type comments in the past.
 
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What evidence do we have this is not disinformation, and everyone is either freaking out, or enjoying some confirmation bias?

At this time I am calling it TBD... From my point of view, Trump uses misdirection. I personally have not seen anything except news articles. Both Trump and Barr have used these word salad legalese type comments in the past.
Like when?
 
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Why would they need to do that? Once again, no evidence from the accusers means no need for an investigation. If some loon claimed that Trump was actually a raccoon would there be any need for an investigation?
So, without conducting any forensic audit of the tabulation machines, without inspecting a single ballot, and without interviewing any sworn affiant, (out of hundreds), the DoJ just DECIDED that there was no fraud because .... reasons.
 
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So, without conducting any forensic audit of the tabulation machines, without inspecting a single ballot, and without interviewing any sworn affiant, (out of hundreds), the DoJ just DECIDED that there was no fraud because .... reasons.

There's probably as much damage in an electorate who doesn't believe in the election results as there is in a rigged election. Perhaps even more.

To be certain of the absolute integrity of our elections in our modern age will take time... even well respected left and right journalism outlets and senators and various government officials have called into question issues for a few years now - most notably in 2018..

We will find we need to make some changes in the end, but it's a necessity of time which this election simply doesn't have.

If half the electorate doesn't believe in the outcome of this election, the result is, in the end, dangerous.

I'm with Barr, what we know (factually and with proof) isn't enough to change the outcome... so it's more important to accept the loss with faith the "system" will eventually be corrected in time.

The fear on the right is that this one election is too important, because the left is too far left to lose control to them before we can be certain of our systems...

But honestly, had Trump won I wouldn't have questioned it as hard as I am now - so I know within myself that's my own bias talking... and I can't view the world within the cocoon of my own biases. I have to base everything I think on facts.

And while I think there is some fraud, (there is to some degree in every election) what's apparent and able to be proven isn't enough to flip the election.

Beyond that, I have to trust God that truth will prevail, and that in His Hand I am safe.

So yeah, Barr's right, and he didn't need to do a forensic audit to come to that conclusion... that needs to come though, eventually.
 
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Speaking of Judges- they are not non partisan they have a political party they subscribe to and have alliances. Many Judges are appointed and their decisions reflect that.

The problem with this particular rationalization is that at least one of the judges who tossed out Donald's claims were appointed by .... Donald himself.

You hate Trump

It has nothing to do with hating the guy. I feel bad for him. It must be terrible being old and scared, suffering from some obvious mental distress, and looking at losing the only thing keeping you out of jail.
 
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Yeah. Those are all the standard, low-brow, propaganda talking points we've been hearing for years from legacy media, Facebook, Twitter and the like.
They also seem to be a list of factual claims which this post can't find any way to refute. Interesting.
 
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Given you claim to have not voted for him, but seem to have given him and his administration near blanket approval and have loudly defended their actions in your post here, there is the appearance of an obvious disconnect.

Some might even call it evidence of "2nd level thinking", which apparently is supposed to mean something to someone or another.
 
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I would interpret it as threatening.

The GOP is threatening a coup. They are telling us the liberals are not a part of the game and that they don't have to treat as equals.

Are they equals?
 
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So, without conducting any forensic audit of the tabulation machines, without inspecting a single ballot, and without interviewing any sworn affiant, (out of hundreds), the DoJ just DECIDED that there was no fraud because .... reasons.
But there are no "hundreds". There are no affidavits. There are only claims of these. Why do you think lawsuits keep getting thrown out of court. This is the problem with the lawsuits and why Barr said no evidence. The people bringing lawsuits only have empty claims when push comes to shove.
 
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There's probably as much damage in an electorate who doesn't believe in the election results as there is in a rigged election. Perhaps even more.

I've heard it said (and I agree) that our government survives like Tinkerbell... it only lives as long as people clap their hands and believe in it.
The perception of corruption is more damaging to our democracy than actual corruption... corruption can be fixed far easier than reputation.

To be certain of the absolute integrity of our elections in our modern age will take time... even well respected left and right journalism outlets and senators and various government officials have called into question issues for a few years now - most notably in 2018..

Absolute integrity is impossible -- there's always going to be a margin of error or some level of hanky-panky... the best we can do is to monitor it and reduce it to an acceptable level... assuming it's not at one already.

We will find we need to make some changes in the end, but it's a necessity of time which this election simply doesn't have.

And it will create results which this administration simply doesn't want. Even a perfect count will still result in a Biden win.

If half the electorate doesn't believe in the outcome of this election, the result is, in the end, dangerous.

Agreed. But the powers that be don't want the electorate believing in the system... they want them believing in one man.

I'm with Barr, what we know (factually and with proof) isn't enough to change the outcome... so it's more important to accept the loss with faith the "system" will eventually be corrected in time.

Barr's not stupid enough to fall on his sword to rescue Donald... which means he might be fired and replaced with someone who is... unless Donald is smart enough to realize that it's too late.

The fear on the right is that this one election is too important, because the left is too far left to lose control to them before we can be certain of our systems...

The only fear on the Right I see is a world without Donald to give the orders... and that's a small but vocal fear.

But honestly, had Trump won I wouldn't have questioned it as hard as I am now - so I know within myself that's my own bias talking... and I can't view the world within the cocoon of my own biases. I have to base everything I think on facts.

I was fully predicting a Donald win, myself... by hook or by crook. I'm pleasantly surprised that the system functioned in spite of his efforts.

And while I think there is some fraud, (there is to some degree in every election) what's apparent and able to be proven isn't enough to flip the election.

Not even close to it. Donald lost fair and square -- or at least as fair and square as any other election.

Beyond that, I have to trust God that truth will prevail, and that in His Hand I am safe.

So yeah, Barr's right, and he didn't need to do a forensic audit to come to that conclusion... that needs to come though, eventually.

And the audit will prove what we already know -- President Biden.
 
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Legally, yes. I know. The paint chip munching behavior of Trump supporters has recently made the right look as if they are more equal to a chimpanzee, but that is only temporary. They will recover from their TDS soon.
 
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So, without conducting any forensic audit of the tabulation machines, without inspecting a single ballot, and without interviewing any sworn affiant, (out of hundreds), the DoJ just DECIDED that there was no fraud because .... reasons.

How do you know they didn't do any of those things? The DoJ has been looking into the election for at least a couple of weeks. My guess, though I can't claim any direct knowledge, is that the DoJ has investigated most of the affidavits.

I'm confident that the DoJ did investigate and largely found the same as a Michigan judge did, that a large majority of affidavits tend to show an ignorance into the process of elections -- something that could have been avoided had these Republican poll watchers simply attended the orientation before the election -- and not any actual fraud.

There is no way Barr would be coming out and stating there is no evidence of election fraud if his own investigators at the DoJ had not checked the accuracy of the numerous affidavits created in all the contested states.
 
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Now I have the same opinion about Barr as those on the left. Unless the left now likes him.
Barr is now part of the vast Left-wing conspiracy?
 
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So yeah, Barr's right, and he didn't need to do a forensic audit to come to that conclusion... that needs to come though, eventually.

What do you mean it needs to come eventually? If you feel there's a NEED than how can you say not now? Evidence can get destroyed in a relatively short period of time.
 
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Now I have the same opinion about Barr as those on the left.

You mean you don't trust him because you think that he was appointed by Donald to be a mere bootlicker? Welcome to the club.

Unless the left now likes him.

Like him? Not by a long shot -- but it's refreshing to see that he might not be a complete bootlicker.

So... are we on the same page?
 
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