Evidence of Election Fraud

whatbogsends · Nov 23, 2020

LostMarbels said:
Hatred... such a disdain where one can only find fault instead of interpret meaning.

How do you sit there and defend such obvious falsehoods with (presumably) a straight face?

Trump had tweeted that Sidney Powell was part of his legal team. No interpretation needed.

She is now no longer part of his legal team. No interpretation needed.

LostMarbels · Nov 23, 2020

There is more going on here then some are willing to see. Why I even bother? Even I do not know why I continue... Probably because its not over.

Gen Flynn just made the comment Powell is doing this 'for' Trump. That is just a manner of speaking. I don't actually 'love' ice cream. I am not actually, physically boarding a train when I say 'I am on the Trump train'. Someone says about their favorite sports player: 'that's my guy'.

And yes... it's in plain English. There is not a single person on this forum that doesn't know how such terms and/or manners of speech work.

whatbogsends said:
Trump had tweeted that Sidney Powell was part of his legal team.

And even if.... even if trump made that comment believing whatever he may.... Trump sent a tweet. Wonderful. Trump sending an off the wall tweet is now evidence of something? Haven't we learned about that yet?

LostMarbels · Nov 23, 2020

essentialsaltes said:
QFT

I've got to love it.... will "quote for truth" and then turn around and argue over ever single point I make.

LostMarbels · Nov 23, 2020

Yttrium said:
One of the biggest things touted by the Trump supporters is the assembly of signed affidavits of people claiming to have spotted voting irregularities. They consider this to be evidence. However, as a comparison, look at all the people who claim to have seen extraterrestrial aliens. It's a very large number. If I count all those as strong evidence, then we can conclude that space aliens have been visiting us for a long while. It's not strong evidence, though. Every claim needs supporting evidence. Every person may be mistaken in their interpretation of what they saw, or outright lying, especially if they've already had a very strong bias towards their conclusion. Someone who believes there are aliens among us will be more prone to interpret all kinds of natural or man-made phenomena as alien in nature.

Someone who is strongly biased to believe that there's election fraud may mistakenly believe they've seen fraud. Some who wants Trump to win may perjure themselves if they think they can get away with it. And some may actually find cases of legitimate fraud. But until they have supporting evidence, all their affidavits are hearsay, which isn't going to go anywhere in court. Providing a list of affidavits is pointless without the supporting evidence. We've already seen a number of cases explained away with conflicting evidence, and quite a few lawsuits thrown out of court.

I absolutely agree. This is why it goes to court. But it needs to actually be heard in court. These evidences need to have their day in court to be proven or disproven by the preponderance of evidence.

Yttrium said:
I want any and all fraud exposed, and the perpetrators punished. But at the same time, I don't want votes thrown out for frivolous reasons, mistaken claims of fraud, or outright lies. I don't want our democratic processes to be buried in mud thrown by people with no real justification. We worked hard across the country to get a voting system to be proud of, and we're not going to let it be wrecked.

The only way that happens is hearing the cases. Stonewalling these cases, forcing them to be unheard, will irreparably damage the confidence people have in the electoral process.

essentialsaltes · Nov 23, 2020

LostMarbels said:
I absolutely agree. This is why it goes to court. But it needs to actually be heard in court. These evidences need to have their day in court to be proven or disproven by the preponderance of evidence.

The courts have standards for evidence. If the 'evidence' doesn't meet the standards, it doesn't get heard.

LostMarbels · Nov 23, 2020

essentialsaltes said:
The courts have standards for evidence. If the 'evidence' doesn't meet the standards, it doesn't get heard.

I think what you are not considering is the political atmosphere, the last four years, nor the sentiments of the person on the street. This will never be settled for either side unless this is proven in the courts.

Yttrium · Nov 23, 2020

LostMarbels said:
The only way that happens is hearing the cases. Stonewalling these cases, forcing them to be unheard, will irreparably damage the confidence people have in the editorial process.

I completely agree. Each sworn affidavit must be fully addressed. Each court case must be handled in a responsible manner.

GreatLakes4Ever · Nov 23, 2020

LostMarbels said:
I think what you are not considering is the political atmosphere, the last four years, nor the sentiments of the person on the street. This will never be settled for either side unless this is proven in the courts.

Trump’s team has failed to prove election fraud in the courts therefore there has been no election fraud. I don’t care how much the Students of the Seventh Seal are crying over their man losing. That’s the reality of the situation. It’s not a conspiracy theory against Trump’s website design company with an affinity for Nikes and Marie Calendars. In this country the plaintiff (that would be the person making the accusation, Trump’s team here) has to present evidence and convince the court wrong doing has taken place. Trump Team has failed.

whatbogsends · Nov 23, 2020

LostMarbels said:
I think what you are not considering is the political atmosphere, the last four years, nor the sentiments of the person on the street. This will never be settled for either side unless this is proven in the courts.

Perfect post showing that you really don't get it.

The courts can't prove "No fraud". They don't prove the non-existence of crime. All the courts can do is examine evidence and determine if a crime DID happen.

In all of the cases presented thus far, the evidence presented isn't even evidence that meets the threshold for additional scrutiny.

Here's an example of a court case brought by Trump supporters in Michigan.

11-13-20-Costantino-Opinion.pdf (documentcloud.org)

essentialsaltes · Nov 23, 2020

LostMarbels said:
the last four years, nor the sentiments of the person on the street.

I remember well what Trump supporters suggested I do with my sentiments.

This will never be settled for either side unless this is proven in the courts.

It's very simple. 306 > 232. That is how it is settled. One number is bigger than another.

LostMarbels · Nov 23, 2020

Yttrium said:
I completely agree. Each sworn affidavit must be fully addressed. Each court case must be handled in a responsible manner.

I completely agree with that... my issue is with stonewalling the process, and then using other processes to get a Dem in the WH.

LostMarbels · Nov 23, 2020

essentialsaltes said:
It's very simple. 306 > 232. That is how it is settled. One number is bigger than another.

All this is going to do is cause a revolt, turned revolution, into a reconstruction era. This doesn't just go away because of 306 > 232.

GreatLakes4Ever · Nov 23, 2020

LostMarbels said:
All this is going to do is cause a revolt, turned revolution, into a reconstruction era. This doesn't just go away because of 306 > 232.

Talk like that makes me think you are threatening to overthrow the rightfully elected government of the United States of America.

ArmenianJohn · Nov 23, 2020

LostMarbels said:
All this is going to do is cause a revolt, turned revolution, into a reconstruction era. This doesn't just go away because of 306 > 232.

LOL, no, it won't "cause a revolt, turned revolution, into a reconstruction era." Great imagination though.

LostMarbels · Nov 23, 2020

GreatLakes4Ever said:
Talk like that makes me think you are threatening to overthrow the rightfully elected government of the United States of America.

It is simple logic. None emotional even. World history has plenty of examples where America currently is in its political state. Caesars, czars, queens, and kings have all been through this for centuries. We are only 200+ years old, it is our first time.

GreatLakes4Ever · Nov 23, 2020

LostMarbels said:
It is simple logic. None emotional even. World history has plenty of examples where America currently is in its political state. Caesars, czars, queens, and kings have all been through this for centuries. We are only 200+ years old, it is our first time.

I don’t care how you try to polish it up. It’s still treason.

essentialsaltes · Nov 23, 2020

LostMarbels said:
Caesars, czars, queens, and kings have all been through this for centuries.

They have lost democratic elections?

whatbogsends · Nov 23, 2020

GreatLakes4Ever said:
Talk like that makes me think you are threatening to overthrow the rightfully elected government of the United States of America.

Several Trump supporters on these forums have made it crystal clear that they are loyal to Trump and no the United States. They have stated quite plainly that they will ignore the rule of law if Trump is ousted.

Now, whether they will actually take action in alignment with those words remains to be seen, but none of what they're saying should come as a surprise to anyone.

LostMarbels · Nov 23, 2020

GreatLakes4Ever said:
I don’t care how you try to polish it up. It’s still treason.

'Treason'... Biden isn't even the Pres elect.... if that is never 'proven' all that remains are warring factions that both believe they are correct. It is simple logic. Not a threat. Not something I even promote. Cold facts. Peoples emotions and political fervor will explode as we have witnessed in centuries of human history.

LostMarbels · Nov 23, 2020

whatbogsends said:
Several Trump supporters on these forums have made it crystal clear that they are loyal to Trump and no the United States. They have stated quite plainly that they will ignore the rule of law if Trump is ousted.

It's not to Trump. Were not going on permanent lockdown. We will not live under a communist dictatorship that usurped the WH. On I can go, but it's not happening.

As I have said many times, the Democrats own actions have disenfranchised and alienated tens of millions of people that fear their own lives at the Democrats hands. Now the Democrats are preparing lists and talking about punishment and people swinging from trees.

How do people think that is going to go down? What is proffered to Trump supporters to belie their fears? Nothing but more rhetoric, hatred, and lists.

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